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The start text (2 September 2005) of this article came from article Demetrius Palaeologus which at that time was Thomas and Demetrius Palaeologus Arrigo 16:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that Mehmed II was officially the conqueror of the Byzantine Empire, but there seems to be plenty of disenting oppinion that Mehmed actually considered himself Byzantine in nature. Kind of like the English kings claiming the French crown. Thusly, as Mehmed's took the title of caesar, He essentially viewed himself as taking, not destroying, the Byzantine state. Hiberniantears 22:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is 3 difference: English king has been crowned king of France after diplomatic deal with last French king which has proclaimed english king for his heir. In legal terms French kings of France after 1422 has been usurpers. Second thing is that only person of ortodox faith can be emperor of Byzantium and last in time of Demetrius abdication Thomas has ruled in Morea, maybe few more days but .... I like for history to think only with legal thinking. In the end problem with Mehmed like caesar in legal term is if nothing else that then all Byzantine forces which has refused to surender has been rebels ??????

I have put question to Dimadick if Osman in 1289 has lived inside our outside Byzantium because if is inside Byzantium-Turkish war has been civil war 270 years long. Question is OK because in many books Osman has lived on Byzantium frontier. rjecina

Requested move[edit]

The discussion for this move request is undergoing, as well as other similar requests, in Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors. Please go there to discuss the move request.--Panairjdde 22:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The debate on the move is now completed; the result was no consensus. Mango juice^talk 20:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Thomas Palaiologos/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 23:04, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:04, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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No dead links Y Suggest using Wayback Machine.
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Discussion[edit]

Prose Suggestions[edit]

Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.

Lede[edit]

was a younger brother of Constantine XI Palaiologos, the final Byzantine emperor, and served as Despot of the Morea from 1428 until the fall of the despotate in 1460 (though he continued to claim the title until his death five years later). suggest was Despot of the Morea from 1428 until the fall of the despotate in 1460, although he continued to claim the title until his death five years later. He was the younger brother of Constantine XI Palaiologos, the final Byzantine emperor.
In 1449, Thomas supported the ascension of his brother Constantine, who then became Emperor Constantine XI, to the throne despite the machinations of his other brother, Demetrios, who himself desired the throne. suggest In 1449, Thomas supported the ascension of Constantine to the throne, taking the regnal name Constantine XI, despite the machinations of his other brother, Demetrios, who desired the throne for himself.

Constantine just reigned as "Constantine Dragases Palaiologos", the Byzantines didn't use regnal numbers so he didn't take the regnal name Constantine XI. Ichthyovenator (talk) 15:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

eventually led to Mehmed invading and conquering the Morea in 1460 suggest eventually led Mehmed to invade and conquer the Morea in 1460

Early life and appointment as despot[edit]

Manuel's younger sons; Constantine, Demetrios and Thomas (the youngest, born in 1409, were kept in Constantinople as there weren't many lands left to grant to them. suggest Manuel's younger sons, Constantine, Demetrios, and Thomas (the youngest, born in 1409, were kept in Constantinople as there was not sufficient land left to grant them.

Despot under the Byzantine Empire[edit]

The campaign, unsuccessful (perhaps mainly due to Theodore being reluctant to partake and staying in Mystras), was Thomas's first experience of war.[ suggest The campaign, which was unsuccessful, possibly due to Theodore's reluctance to partake, was Thomas's first experience of war
Constantine captured Patras, then having been in foreign hands for 225 years, on his own a year later. suggest Constantine later captured Patras on his own, ending 225 of foreign ownership.
Constantine (who perhaps wished to be closer to Mystras) made a new territorial agreement, suggest Constantine, possibly desiring to be closer to Mystras, made a new territorial agreement,
who by now got on well with his older brother, suggest who had developed good relations with his older brother
Theodore believed this was to appoint Constantine as co-emperor and designated heir (which was not actually the case) and he too travelled to Constantinople to raise his objections. suggest removing parenthesis and turning it into commas.
was sent to bring them to their senses and prevent civil war suggest was sent to reconcile them and prevent civil war
being finished in March 1444. suggest which was finished in March 1444
Constantine and Thomas barely escaping with their lives suggest with Constantine and Thomas barely escaping with their lives
Soon thereafter, Sphrantzes informed Sultan Murad II, suggest Sphrantzes then informed Sultan Murad II, to avoid having two soon thereafters in two sentences.

Continued rule in the Morea[edit]

Mehmed II did not wish to see the despotate pass into the hands of Albanians since he was the suzerain of the current despots and sent an army to quell the rebellion in December 1453. suggest Mehmed II did not wish to see the despotate pass into the hands of Albanians, and out of his control, and sent an army to quell the rebellion in December 1453.
(including the despotate's nominal capital, Mystras) suggest ,including the despotate's nominal capital, Mystras,

Life in exile[edit]

hopeful of convincing Pope Pius II to call for a crusade suggest hoping to convince Pope Pius II to call for a crusade
@Ichthyovenator: That is all my suggestions, passing now. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Iazyges: Four GA:s in one day! Thank you very much for taking the time to look through them, I've implemented the suggestions as before (except one, which I noted above). Ichthyovenator (talk) 15:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]