Talk:Thomas Middleton

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Birth date?[edit]

Why is the date of his baptism put up as his birth date? 82.93.10.238 (talk) 20:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That was a good point which no one seems to have answered. 18 April is indeed the date of his baptism, so I have removed it from the first sentence, where it looks like the date of his birth. There is no record of his exact birth date. Andrew Dalby 18:39, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

The claim that some of Middleton's relatives live in southern Wisconsin is: 1) Not particularly relevant, 2) Not footnoted, and 3) Not punctuated. Can we fix this? Also, there ought to be a source for the information regarding Middleton's punishment for A Game at Chess, rather than the awkward phrase "it has been hypothesized". 71.254.75.3 19:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)Patrick Bentley[reply]

Time article on Middleton[edit]

The current edition of Time Magazine has an article on the current re-evaluation of Middleton resulting from the new anthology which is being released - it has a number of interesting and relevant quotes; comparisons between Shakespeare and Middleton, and even more interestingly a look into the sexual politics and treatment of all things sexual in Middleton. I was planning on citing a couple of the more relevant quotes in it from Middleton scholars (such as Gary Taylor), and considering introducing a brief new paragraph on sexuality and the role of women in Middleton (referenced from the Time article of course, not Original research) and expanding the section on Shakespeare & Middleton. would anyone have any major objections? peaceWarchef 11:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last Saturday's Guardian article by Gary Taylor is worth a look as well. --GuillaumeTell (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NNDB provides putative dates of birth and death for Thomas Middleton, is this likely to be reliable? Kbthompson (talk) 18:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Oxford Middleton Project appears to be a useful resource for the article, I've added it to ext lnks. Kbthompson (talk) 18:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC) (already there as a reference!)[reply]

Revenger's Tragedy[edit]

Though some argue he wrote "The Revenger's Tragedy," the New Mermaids and Revels Student Editions do not list him as the sole author. Either the play remains anonymous or it is accredited jointly with Cyril Tourneur. This article makes it sound like he actually wrote it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.154.52 (talk) 04:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I rewrote is slightly because there has been an gradual increase in the number of editions attributing it to Middleton. And just to clarify, the texts you mention attribute it to Middleton or Tourneur, not Middleton and Tourneur. The Drama Llama (talk) 12:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I revised it further. There is no critical consensus that Middleton wrote it. Many scholars agree he did, but then again the arguments for Tourneur are pretty good as well, leaving evidence for both tenuous at best. We'll never really know. Marston also deserves mention, even though his supporters are in the minority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.157.121.91 (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your rewrite is good but the Marston theory needs a citation. The Drama Llama (talk) 01:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone reading The Revenger's Tragedy and the Atheist's Tragedy and then works defintiely attributed to Middleton will I think be struck by a certain similarity in style between The Revenger's and Atheist's Tragedy and the same graveyard humour, "villain I'll brain thee with it" "she has a somewhat grave look about her" "what quite blasted! virtue defend me from the sin of Sodom" (I quote from memory) in contrast with a less intense more discursive, even natural certaionly more earnest style in Middleton "I coupled with your mate at barleybreak. Now we are in hell.". In other words both writers seem to be cursing the morals of the time be even puritan inclined yet where is that graveyard humour in other (if it is "other") Middleton works which abounds in The Revenger's Tragedy? On what basis do editors now believe the claim for Middleton is better than the claim for Turneur to the point of listing The Revenger's Tragedy as one of Middleton's plays and simply saying earlier editions of the play attributed the authorship to Tourneur? If authorship is no way conclusive either way, and surely it is not, I think it would be more accurate to list The Revenger's Tragedy as "disputed authorship" in Wikpedia for Thomas Middleton and do the same for Cyril Tourneur Wikipedia. YorickJenkins (talk) 17:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shakespeare and Middleton[edit]

The paragraph in the Works section on Middleton's supposed authorship of 1.2 is unclear (which of the three Shakespeare plays in the previous paragraph is being discussed?) and also unsupported by any sources. The claim that these attributions are driven by the desire to sell more editions of the Collected Works of Middleton rather than scholarship is also clearly a personal opinion and inappropriate without supporting evidence.96.233.85.172 (talk) 13:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17828729 for Middleton being seen as co-author of All's Well That Ends Well. Spam guard sucks. 124.148.160.105 (talk) 07:31, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The theories that Middleton collaborated with Shakespeare are not universally accepted by scholars. Certainly not for Macbeth or Measure for Measure. Given the lack of specific citation in this article, I am revising those references. Henry chianski (talk) 17:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Self-Promotion[edit]

A user named DonnaNMurphy (no Wiki page) has recently edited articles on authors Thomas Nashe, Thomas Dekker, and Thomas Middleton to include references to a 2012 book by, interestingly enough, Donna N. Murphy. Edits by this user to the article "Marlovian Theory of Shakespeare Authorship" have already been tagged as "possible conflict of interest". (Murphy is a known supporter of Marlovian Theory). The Wiki text edits themselves are rather disingenuously worded, given the username, and subjectively interpreting existing material to boost one's own unprovable theories is not "evidence" in any factual sense. If Murphy herself made the changes then it appears she is using Wikipedia to promote her book and give its speculations parity with the historical information in the articles. If someone else is using her name they are not editing "in good faith" anyway. I'm undoing/reverting the Nashe, Dekker and Middleton edits until administration rules on this. Cheers. TheBawbb (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Revoved sentence[edit]

I have just removed this "His own plays from this decade reveal a somewhat mellowed temper. Certainly there is no comedy among them with the satirical depth of Michaelmas Term and no tragedy as bloodthirsty as The Revenger's Tragedy."

It makes no sense at all unless the two works mentioned here have already been described in an earlier section, and dated to the previous decade. It requires a statement that the play Michaelmas term is a satire, and that The Revenger's Trgedy is indeed bloodthirsty. Otherwise your reader has no context in which to place the comparison made in this decade of the subject's creativity.

Amandajm (talk) 21:15, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]