Talk:This Mortal Coil

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I added the {POV} tag - this currently unreferenced article includes the following sentence: " Whoever was performing, the music was united by its gentle surges of melancholy and by Watts-Russell's highly influential aesthetic." There are more examples of fancruft and blarney. Can someone with a decent knowledge of the subject matter, and Wiki editing skills, try to knock this in to shape. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I made the original entry, and "fancruft and blarney" aside, I didn't think it so bad:)Comparing, I still find my original version to have notably more information about personel and so forth than the current version. I'd be happy to see it properly expanded and referenced, but it doesn't look like it will ever happen (and I have very poor Wiki editing skills). 64.230.111.43 (talk) 13:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article would benefit from removing or, at least, clarifying the otherwise clumsy, if not ludicrous, definition of the group as a "gothic dream pop supergroup." Amongst other things, it clearly contradicts the ensuing quotation from its founder describing the group's intentions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.2.39.82 (talk) 21:38, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think perhaps the statement that the name This Mortal Coil was taken from Monty Python's Dead Parrot Sketch should be, at least, reworded. While the name may have been inspired by the Monty Python sketch, the phrase "this mortal coil" has been in use for hundreds of years, most famously by William Shakespeare in Hamlet's soliloquy ("To be or not to be..."). To say that the name was "taken from" Monty Python is to suggest that Ivo Watts-Russell, et al., were unaware of Shakespeare's and other prior uses, which is hardly likely given that Watts-Russell is known to be quite cultured. Stvartak (talk) 23:35, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism[edit]

As near as I can tell, the vast majority of this article is taken from allmusic.com's entry on This Mortal Coil. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:jifexqr5ldse~T1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.216.235.60 (talk) 08:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how much is plagiarized from allmusic, but here's a comparison of one of the worst sections (same text in bold):
This article (It'll End In Tears section): Released in 1984, It'll End in Tears featured musical efforts from 4AD staples like Robin Guthrie and Simon Raymonde (Cocteau Twins), Steven Young and Martyn Young (Colourbox), Lisa Gerrard and Brendan Perry (Dead Can Dance), and Mark Cox (The Wolfgang Press), among others, with vocals from Fraser, Sharp, Modern English's Robbie Grey, and Howard Devoto (Buzzcocks/Magazine). Watts-Russell and Fryer handled any additional instruments or programmed loops as needed. The track listing featured two songs from Big Star's Third/Sister Lovers, plus numbers by Roy Harper and Wire's Colin Newman, in addition to band originals. It'll End in Tears helped crystallize 4AD's emerging signature sound, and helped win a wider audience for their stable of artists.
Allmusic: Released in 1984, It'll End in Tears featured musical efforts from 4AD staples like Robin Guthrie and Simon Raymonde (Cocteau Twins), Steven and Martyn Young (Colourbox), Brendan Perry (Dead Can Dance), and Mark Cox (Wolfgang Press), among others, with vocals from Gerrard, Sharp, Modern English's Robbie Grey, and Howard Devoto (Buzzcocks/Magazine). Watts-Russell and Fryer handled any additional instruments or programmed loops as needed. The track listing featured two songs from Big Star's Third/Sister Lovers, plus numbers by Roy Harper and Wire's Colin Newman, in addition to band originals. It'll End in Tears helped crystallize 4AD's emerging signature sound, and helped win a wider audience for their stable of artists.
Looks like a few changes have been made, but allmusic is the source -- Foetusized (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the edit where the allmusic content was cut-and-pasted into this article, by an IP editor back in November 2006: diff. Looks like a major rewrite of this article, to remove the offending text, is in order -- Foetusized (talk) 15:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Until the material can be rewritten I've removed it from the article. I added an external link to the allmusic piece, which indeed has an author name and a copyright notice, meaning we can't just copy it here directly. Franamax (talk) 18:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MEmbers?[edit]

removed POV tag[edit]

I removed a POV tag from the article that dated from 2009; afaict the issues noted in the talk page have been addressed. If anyone still feels there are POV/Neutrality issues with the article as it is now, please re-add the POV tag *and articulate your specific concerns on the article talk page* so they can be addressed. Thanks. BrideOfKripkenstein (talk) 16:22, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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