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Requested move 26 October 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. We have clear consensus, supported by policy, that the 1981 film is the primary topic. I feel the need to reiterate that one of the main opposing arguments, that "WP:NCF overrides WP:PRIMARYTOPIC", is not the case, and thus received no consideration in this close. Cúchullain ^t/c 17:41, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thillu Mullu (1981 film) → Thillu Mullu – This borders on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:06, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose WP:NCF overrides WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, Thillu Mullu (1981 film) vs Thillu Mullu (2013 film) In ictu oculi (talk) 17:36, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:NCF overrides WP:PRIMARYTOPIC - since when? Nohomersryan (talk) 04:43, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Two lenghty articles, non of them are a clear primary topic on their own (unless one of them didn't exist, of course). The current setup allows to spot incorrect incoming links too. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 18:02, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The 2013 film is a remake of this, and is nowhere as iconic or recognised as this. Therefore I proposed the move. Kailash29792 (talk) 19:01, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fine but that's often the case for remakes. Which is one reason why we usually under WP:NCF put years on both to make long-term significant originals and WP:RECENT remakes both easily findable. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:22, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support, "WP:NCF overrides WP:PRIMARYTOPIC": no, there is no such thing. On the contrary, WP:NCFILM expressly says: If a film shares its title with one or more other film topics on Wikipedia, compare all film and non-film topics and determine whether one is the primary topic. If one film is the primary topic, name its article after the film's title without any means of disambiguation. For the other films (or all the films, if none of them are the primary topic), add the year of its first verifiable release (including film festival screenings). As far as I can see, this is a WP:TWODABS situation with a primary topic, so the standard is adding a hatnote in the 1981 film article (for the 2013 film remake see...). Comparable situations (an original iconic film and a latter remake with the same name) include The Fog and The Fog (2005 film), Point Break and Point Break (2015 film), The Blob and The Blob (1988 film), Embrace of the Vampire and Embrace of the Vampire (2013 film), House on Haunted Hill and House on Haunted Hill (1999 film), The Day the Earth Stood Still and The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008 film), I Spit on Your Grave and I Spit on Your Grave (2010 film) etc. Cavarrone 22:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Cavarrone. In this case, the 1981 film is easily WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. —Vensatry _(talk) 09:41, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Cavarrone and Vensatry. — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 13:31, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The primary topic is the 1981 film, and there has been no evidence showing that NCF overrides PRIMARYTOPIC. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:33, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I should have said "overrides WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in this case". Anyway, I was pinged in a discussion about this move (although in fact it failed to ping). Looking at page views before and after, all that seems to have happened is that the red line for the 1981 film was slightly ahead before the move, but after removing (1981 film) and becoming the green line, page views have dropped and 2013 film has become the more viewed article. @Lugnuts: is this what by your comment above you were expecting to happen? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, but it's not important. Thanks for the ping. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 18:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]