Talk:The Girl Next Door (2004 film)

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Trivia[edit]

The trivia section is huge! It needs to be shrunken, some of the information in the article needs to be put in new sections that can be started (such as the budget dropping in Production). But DO NOT JUST REMOVE IT! -- Cbrown1023 19:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I but the Production related information in a new sub-topic, production. But someone should fix the flow of that paragraph and the other Trivia needs to be moved out. -- Cbrown1023 23:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've significantly fixed the trivia section by moving some production notes to the appropriate heading and creating a section titled "Cameos," without deleting any trivia. I've removed the "too much trivia!" banner because I think it's fixed for now. CONSIDERABLE citation is still needed. Hondo11008 02:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The comparison to the myth of Orpheus should be removed. It adds nothing to the article.

Personal citation?[edit]

Under production, it says:

Additionally, the prom in the film takes place in the cafeteria, much in the same way as the director's [citation needed].

Not to toot my own horn, but I went to school with the director (Luke Greenfield) and can verify this - I'm just not sure how, exactly to do it. Anyone got a suggestion?

Agerstein 04:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously I agree. I have seen so many opinions on here listed as "Criticisms from some" and such. Unless you have a source for your entries, I'll just delete content on here left and right and no one who has a say is going to argue since this movie has been out for god knows how long yet there are no citations. This is embarrassing. Timmyfitz161 (talk) 23:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"an accurate portrayal" ... ?[edit]

From the "Critical Reaction" section: "While the film has been noted as an accurate portrayal of fin-de-siècle high school life, critics have pointed out the lack of ethnic diversity in the supporting cast." Not only is there no citation, but who in their right mind would call this film "an accurate portrayal of fin-de-siècle high school life?" I was a high school student during the fin-de-siècle and nobody in my school had any experiences even close to what the people in this film have. This is pure fantasy. Unless somebody objects, I will remove this sentence in one week from today.--GHcool 05:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But you surely would like to have such experiences. :)) I would like, too. - Darwinek 22:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to have the experiences the high school students have in the Harry Potter series. Does that make it "an accurate portrayal of ... high school life?" --GHcool 21:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sure it doesn't :). - Darwinek 15:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Removed, as it's been eleven days since the first comment, with no sign of a source for either claim in that sentence in sight. | Mr. Darcy talk 19:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Girl Next Door movie.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew and Danielle in the limo[edit]

Did this really happen in the movie or is it just vandalism (which this article seems to attract from one-time users lately)? -Lwc4life (talk) 16:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, that happened...did u see the movie? Also, i fixed up some grammar in the end of the second to last paragraph, i think ud agree it was better than what was there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.69.48 (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i would have to diagree with the whole 'madelove' sentence. There wasnt much romance or emotion....just sex.

"Teen Movie?".[edit]

Though this may have teens in it-some of the plotlines dont really fit the whole teen movie genre, any suggestions?

Grammatical and Typographical Errors.[edit]

I cannot help at the moment, but this article needs urgent attention in multiple areas. The synopsis is rather lacking, the grammar is repetitive and redundant in many areas, and the typographical errors need remedied as soon as possible. High Deity (talk) 22:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Censorship[edit]

I removed the censorship of the word "fuck", according to Wikipedia's rules on censorship, "In particular, when a cited quotation contains words that may be offensive, it should not be censored. Words and images that would be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available." It needs to either exist uncensored, or be removed from the page. If someone wants to just rewrite the page without using that line, go ahead. earle117 (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative ending[edit]

If I remember correctly, the DVD of the movie contained a somewhat alternative ending to the story. Shouldn't this alternate be mentioned in the article as well? -- fdewaele, 5 January 2011, 15:56 CET.

Story?[edit]

  • One of the IPs seems to have a problem with my adding the {{story}} template. The entire paragraph sounds unencyclopedic (more like it's being narrated), and I welcome anyone to explain how it isn't. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 03:16, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • As per the template documentation, please identify specifically what in the plot summary sounds like a story that isn't supposed to sound like a story. Please explain how someone -- anyone -- can write a plot summary of a fictional story without it sounding like a story. Please explain how any other plot summary of fiction on Wikipedia that does not sound like a story is any better than the one for this article. The "story" template is quite appropriate for an article that has nothing to do with an actual fictional story if that article sounds like a fictional story (for example, the article Barack Obama is not fictional and should not be written like a story); the template is not appropriate for a plot summary of a story that sounds like that story. 75.177.156.78 (talk) 13:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • "The template is not appropriate for a plot summary of a story that sounds like that story." An encyclopedia article about a story is supposed to be written like an encyclopedia article, not a story. Looks like I'll be taking this to WP:3. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 23:56, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • You haven't answered the essential questions. How does anyone write a summary of a fictional story without it sounding like a story? And please give us a few examples of plot summaries of fictional films that don't sound like stories? And please give us specifics about which sentences in the plot summary are inappropriate and how they could be changed. 75.177.156.78 (talk) 00:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Response to third opinion request:
I have come from WP:30, and I am in agreement with 75.177.156.78. The article does not have any of the things that {{story}} should be used to address, namely verbosity, hyperbole, irony, cliché, inner voice, and first- and second-person address. It is simply a summary of events, which is widespread across Wikipedia. Articles about films, books, events, etc. all sound pretty similar to this. If you still believe that this is too much like a story, why don't you give an example of how you would rewrite a certain passage to make it less story like? Feynman1918 Talk 02:04, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RfC:Is use of the {{story}} template appropriate for a plot summary of a fictional film?[edit]

The consensus here is that the story template is not necessary because a plot summary must by necessity sound at least a little like a story. I happen to agree. The story tag is for articles and while the plot section certainly sounds like a story, the overall article does not, having a clear lead and critical reception section that discuss the movie from an out-of-universe perspective. The principal proponent of using the template argues that the plot section should be rewritten to make it more encyclopedic in tone by removing unnecessarily promotional phrases, and there seems to be no reason not to do so. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:06, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The issue is: A plot summary of fiction inevitably sounds like a "story" because it is summarizing a story. More specifically, if the {{story}} template is appropriate for this article, how can the plot summary be written in any way other than sounding like a story? Note we are not talking about the accuracy of the plot summary; that would be an entirely different issue. 75.177.156.78 (talk) 00:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose adding the template. There is no way that briefly summarizing the plot can come off as anything other than reading like a story. I have never read a synopsis that doesn't. The style of the writing—while could be improved—isn't fundamentally different to what can be found at Fight_club#Plot (which is a featured article) and the "Little Red Riding Hood" example at Wikipedia:PLOTSUM. The instructions at {{Story}} do state that use of the tag should be accompanied by discussion on the article talk page, so an editor shouldn't add it without specifically highlighting the problem. In truth, I don't think the template is really designed for a book or a film synopsis and is probably more applicable to real-life commentary where someone's biography reads more like Mills and Boon. On another note you probably don't need to start an RFC for something like this; if you drop a request at WT:FILM you will most likely get a few responses. Betty Logan (talk) 02:25, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose adding the template. Summarizing an actual story is appropriate. That is not the purpose of this template, which is meant for other contexts. Not films/books. SW3 5DL (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Seeing it I'm not seeing the way that a plot can be worded any more efficiently than what it's being used as right now. Tutelary (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support template & Rewrite Sentences like
    • "Matthew's story ends with him getting the girl of his dreams and a chance at the future he has always wanted."
    • "His life suddenly changes"
    • "when charismatic Danielle"
    • "and storms over"
    • "The two get to know each other through weird adventures"
    • "he finds the courage to walk right up and kiss her"
    • " Matthew's world is suddenly rocked the next day"
    • "Danielle, insulted, realizes that he has discovered her"
    • "Kelly furiously abducts Matthew from school"
    • "After the successful shoot, Danielle and Matthew have sex in their limousine." (Not at all relevant to the main plot line)
    • "Despite Danielle's past, it is the first time she has truly made love."
    • "Eli calls Matthew, panicked"
    • " knowing that he no longer cares about his "now-ruined future,"
    • "Surprising everyone, Matthew and his friends have made a progressive, comprehensive sex ed tape"
    • "With no more cards left to play, Kelly admits defeat"
    • "Hugo Posh and Matthew make millions from the video."
are the kind of sensationalizing we don't need in plot summaries. The entire section needs less promotional language and more just telling the facts. We don't need to be puffing up the language like we're writing a commercial.--v/r - TP 22:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your criticisms pertain to details that may or may not belong in the plot summary. By all means, please rewrite the plot summary if you feel that changes are needed. But you have said nothing to support use of the template or addressed the issue of how a plot summary can be written without it sounding like a story. I can virtually guarantee that if you rewrite the plot summary it will either sound like a story or be so sterile and stripped of content that it is meaningless as a plot summary. If you disagree, then please give us your version of the plot summary that does not sound like a story. 75.177.156.78 (talk) 23:20, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose adding the story tag. In an article like this, we expect a plot and what is a plot but a story. Op47 (talk) 21:58, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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