Talk:Symbol of Chaos/Archive 1

Order

Looks too ordered for chaos if you ask me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.247.235.10 (talk • contribs) 03:46, 18 January 2007

Geometric, ne? I often think the same. It simply represents "all directions" in the simplest and most coherent form. Any more would be messy. Any less would imply specifics. Imbalance would imply weight in any specific direction. It's just.. a generic, any-direction symbol, representing the vastness and flexibility of chaos, as opposed to disorder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.237.39 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 4 February 2007

Too many images

Come on, do we really need an example of every single permutation of the device? Chris Cunningham 18:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I particularly like the broken "animated" one. But of course we must include them all! How else will delusioned weirdos with a tangential grip on reality make up meanings to insist are real and ancient without pictures? My necronomicon is real- the Chaos star proves it! 68.91.163.2 23:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I removed some of the excessive variants.

The symbol's birth

The article states that Moorcock was trying to visualize the "arms of chaos", buy in an interview in Steampunk Magazine Vol. 1, he states that he was attempting to make a suitable sign for entropy. Should this be added in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redmage13 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

"The Symbol of Chaos originates from the fictional game 'Warhammer'". Err Moorcock's work predates Warhammer by a couple of decades folks.

I was also perplexed by that claim of origin and thus, I am removing it. Yourai (talk) 23:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The confusion likely owes to the fact GW are claiming ownership of it as their trademark. --188.33.182.241 (talk) 14:31, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Sources

This article would benefit from a reference section. Also, at least one of the existing links is dead. --Yourai (talk) 23:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I second that. This article seriously needs references or some things need to be removed. One of the two. There are WAY too many assumptions here that are not referenced. It is quite obvious that the authors of this article know nothing about Chaos. 76.180.55.81 (talk) 05:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Other

It is also used as the symbol of House Clovenshield, a mercenary group in the Society for Creative Anachronism that fights for whoever pays the most bacon and beer.

I think the above should be removed from the article. Why? It's true... I'm a member of House Clovenshield and we use the chaos symblol as the base for all our devices. It's a modern use of the symbol.

Why is the Community reference in here? Do people think the flag is an allusion to the chaos star? It seems much more likely that it is an allusion to Vonnegut's depiction of an anus in Breakfast of Champions. It seems strange to have it listed here just because it's vaguely asteriskesque in shape. What do others think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.33.181 (talk) 15:35, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

 Hey guys the first eight armed cross was the sumerian symbol     google it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.211.134 (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2009 (UTC) 

NPOV

This sounds more like an article on Moorcock, written by himself. Can anybody verify that he didn't get the symbol from another source? 68.101.130.214 (talk) 11:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Not only do I highly doubt that Moorcock is sneaking onto Wikipedia to make sure this symbol is attributed to himself, but this article isn't claiming he invented the symbol's shape, merely that the symbol has no sourced meaning as "chaos" before Moorcock's use. That is entirely plausible in my eyes, so at best this is a sourcing issue, not a neutrality issue. (It's extra plausible because I agree it's not a very good symbol for chaos.) If anyone else agrees I encourage them to remove the tag from the article. - BalthCat (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't see what is POV so I removed the tag. Sud Ram (talk) 14:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The Sepultura album Chaos A.D. has the symbol of chaos on the back cover

not on the compact disc itself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.211.43 (talk) 05:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

COIL used that too

http://pictograms.blogspot.com/2008/04/logo-234-coil.html

This article is wrong - someone with a clue fix it please!

It is an ancient symbol that is thousands of years old. No-one in our age has the right to claim it as their own work. Please do wikipedia a favor and remedy this. I can only assume that this article was written by the person who is claimed as the originator... and yes GOOGLE IT!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.106.59 (talk) 22:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Sources, please. —chaos5023 (talk) 05:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Cultural References

It is also an available icon in Halo: Reach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.240.237.172 (talk) 23:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The Symbol of Chaos is being used in the insurrectionist and nihilist anarchist underground. Any way to include it in the wiki?

I don't really have any kind of "source" but for a somewhat longer time this Symbol of Chaos has been adapted into insurrectional nihilist anarchist aesthetics. Maybe someone more experienced know what to do about it.

Appreciate it. DefendingFree (talk) 15:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Merge to Law and Chaos

Please discuss at Talk:Law_and_Chaos#Merge_from_Symbol_of_Chaos (not here). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

The chaos star graphic

What sources back up the claims made on the fifth image of the page? GoutComplex (talk) 21:45, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Origin?

The article starts off with the claim the symbol originates with Michael Moorcock in the 1960s…then says its first occult use was in a tarot deck that Aleister Crowley designed…the article for which dates the deck’s development 1938–1943. I’m confused. Is the symbol ancient or fairly recently invented? Was it independently invented multiple different times? I came away still having no idea where the symbol actually had its start. Could be a lot clearer. 2601:49:C300:ED10:6D13:109A:59EB:D3A1 (talk) 14:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

You're right, it's worded in a confusing way, I will fix it. Basically, the Crowley deck is an independent invention, but the modern symbol that is most well-known and called the "symbol of chaos" was invented by Moorcock. Di (they-them) (talk) 21:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

The medieval symbol of the Vehmic courts was very similar, but with hooks instead of arrows. For some reason, it's not on the Wikipedia article, but you can see it by Googling Vehmic symbol or Vehmic cross... AnonMoos (talk) 22:29, 25 September 2023 (UTC)