Talk:Survivor 45

Tribe names

Is there any information on the tribe name meanings? SDSpivey (talk) 06:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

15 September 2023

Whoever that is jumbling up the alphabetical order of the contestants’ name, STOP THAT PLEASE! 🙏🙏🙏 QUEKM2009 (talk) 11:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

It's organized alphabetically by last name. Look up the edit history of other seasons' articles and you'll see that's how it's organized.50.232.92.83 (talk) 12:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Can we make it normal and make it alphabetically to the first name. Damn bro. It’s always like that until the show starts to air. QUEKM2009 (talk) 12:27, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Fine by me, but maybe you want to think about how you conduct yourself and talk to others on talk pages? 50.232.92.83 (talk) 13:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hannah's departure

It seems there's no consensus on whether Hannah's exit is a vote out or a quit, but if we use the precedent of Osten, then it's pretty clear it's a quit. Osten and Hannah's exits were functionally identical: they expressed their desire to quit, Jeff asked every other member of the tribe if they agreed with it, and then they got out. It's not the same as a verbal vote out.

If we go through the previous verbal vote outs, Brandon, Varner and Tori were clearly not quits since they did not leave on their own terms. The only one you could make a case for being a quit is Ian, but the main reason for the vote being verbal was not because Ian asked to be voted out, but because it was too late to go to Tribal due to the extreme length of the challenge, and it likely would have been a formal vote had it not been so late.

So that's where I stand: I'm pretty sure Hannah's exit counts as a quit and not a verbal vote out. But whichever way the consensus ends up going, it makes no sense for Osten and Hannah's exits to be classified differently. 2A01:CB0C:8A2:FE00:9006:E909:9F57:9CED (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Jeff Probst also emphatically (QUITE emphatically!) stated that it was a Quit, multiple times, in the Entertainment Weekly interview. It should be reflected on the table as a Quit. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

My opinion is that when Jeff addresses the cast with the announcement of Hannah not being there whether she was voted out or quit, if he says voted out, then it's a vote out. Anything else fails WP:NEUTRAL --82.24.78.193 (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, and he addressed the tribes that she was voted out. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Bgsu98 on that it's a quit. 50.232.92.83 (talk) 18:47, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Jonny Fairplay quit in Fans vs. Favorites, but they still voted him out at Tribal Council the night he left the game. That's how I view the Hannah situation. She was voted out because she asked to be voted out like Jonny Fairplay did, except her vote was by verbal acclamation, not by ballot. What Probst says happened, in post-episode interviews, doesn't really carry much weight, since he has also done interviews where he referred to Fairplay as a quitter despite the fact that Fairplay was technically voted out and the voting table for that season refers to it as a vote-out.

The way I see it, Hannah quit, and she was voted out, just like Fairplay. So for the purposes of keeping score, and because the Lulu tribe did announce an intention to vote out Hannah, her exit should be documented as being voted out the same way that Jeff Varner was in Game Changers: by a verbal vote. No one in Pearl Islands announced any intention to vote out Osten the night he left the game; they just let him quit. Probst didn't even say, "The tribe has spoken," to Osten when he left. But Probst did say that to Hannah—and he said it to her during the episode. That should indicate that she was indeed voted out (albeit after she requested it). It may just be a technicality, but the voting table should reflect the fact that Hannah's tribemates voted her out without formally casting ballots. For that reason, I say it was a verbal vote-out. Greggens (talk) 10:14, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

In Pearl Islands, the question Probst asked the tribe was "Are you gonna indulge Osten and send him home?", I fail to see how it's any different than Hannah.

Again, I'm not entirely against classifying Hannah as voted out, but what I am definitely against is classifying Osten and Hannah's exits differently. 2A01:CB0C:8A2:FE00:5958:5113:A488:C748 (talk) 20:20, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Hannah quit; Varner was voted out. Osten was also the very first player to ever quit, so it was unprecedented at the time. Since then, there have been plenty of quitters. Hannah was just the latest. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:25, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Probst addressed Hannah’s exit on screen as a vote out. 82.24.78.193 (talk) 01:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, that makes it official since Jeff specifically said she's voted out. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

There needs to be a footnote in the elimination table which suggests that no official vote was held and explaining the reason for Hannah leaving the game. The vote margin should not be listed as 5-0; instead it should be listed as a consensus. 24.191.232.15 (talk) 12:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Except there was a vote (albeit taken orally). Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Except that Probst has a history of using "voted out" as a generic term for exits. Last season, he announced Maddy as "2nd person voted out", so should we consider Bruce was voted out as well? What matters more is how the exit itself went down.

: Probst is incorrect in many instances where a player is the Nth person voted out, In David vs Goliath, Jessica was announced as the second person voted out when she was the first as Pat was the first player to leave via medevac. Using Probst's logic, Brandon should be 1st voted out, but as Hannah has been acknowledged as voted out on screen, Probst's terms fail WP:NEUTRAL 82.24.78.193 (talk) 16:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

And anyway, as I said I'm not completely against classifying Hannah as voted out (even though I lean toward it being a quit), but I still firmly believe that Osten and Hannah's exits are identical and it makes no sense to classify them differently just because Probst used different wording on their way out. 2A01:CB0C:8A2:FE00:94FB:D186:5D86:4E6 (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree that is should be listed as a quit. If we are being technical about it being a vote, then we should not include Sabiyah's "vote" since she was not eligible to vote from the Beware Advantage. However, Jeff still asked Sabiyah if she was okay with it even though technically she should have no say. Because of this complication with Sabiyah, I think it is pretty clear this is not effectively a vote. I agree that this situation and Osten's are exactly the same, even if the semantics used by Jeff are different. Jeff referring to Hannah as being "voted out" just reflects how his attitude has changed towards quits since the first one with Osten. Jh132132 (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree, was definitely a verbal vote to indulge in Hannah quitting just like with Osten. BoulderCoyote (talk) 23:39, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

You can't read Probst's mind, nor can you apply any sort of Synthesis to this situation. A vote was taken (albeit aloud), and Probst referred to Hannah as having been "voted out" the next day when the tribes came together. She was voted out. All the specifics and details can be addressed in the individual episode summary. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:54, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Jeff has referred to players who weren't voted out as being voted out in the past. One example is Jessica Lewis in Millennials vs Gen X when she joined the jury. He said "Jessica voted out at the last tribal council", even though that tribal council ended in a rock draw. Jeff said himself in his podcast that this was a quit, and if it isn't a quit, then therefore Osten's wasn't a quit either, because there was a verbal vote there as well. Prmcgill (talk) 02:24, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Actually Sabiyah lost her vote in the 2nd episode not the first. Gbold1 (talk) 11:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

30/9/23

So I added another note. According to “On Fire With Jeff Probst”, he mentioned that the first tribe that wins, will send someone to the losing tribe camp and will cast a vote before they headed to tribal council. QUEKM2009 (talk) 14:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Was that shown in the episode? If not, then we don't include it. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:52, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

It is an unaired twist. QUEKM2009 (talk) 14:53, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Unaired challenges from previous seasons have been included. I'm not sure why the unaired vote from Kendra should be any different. Prmcgill (talk) 03:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Kendra's vote for Brandon

Should Kendra's vote for Brandon be listed on the elimination table? I'm personally leaning towards it being removed due to it not being shown in the episode, but I didn't want to touch it until I got other opinions. Ozwow (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I don’t care either way; I’m fine with removing it. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:45, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

A note from the On Fire Podcast, 11/1/23

At the end of the podcast Jeff said "There are no more quitters." This is clearly a reference to Hannah, so him saying "Hannah voted out at the last tribal council" was most likely him hiding the Lulu tribe dynamics from the other two tribes. 174.70.202.67 (talk) 02:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit of merged tribe column.

On a sneak peek, the merged tribe name and colour had been reviewed. QUEKM2009 (talk) 06:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)