Talk:Split/Whole Time

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Requested move 10 June 2020[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move, after extended time for discussion. BD2412 T 00:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Split/Whole Time → Split / Whole Time – The slash is too close between the titles. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:08, 9 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. b uidhe 23:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:15, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vycl1994 and TheAmazingPeanuts: queried move request :: is slash between spaces a significant spelling or merely a stylization for plain slash? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The official music video uses an unspaced slash, but some titles of sources use a spaced slash. MOS:SLASH is of little help here, as removing the slash entirely would make the article title inaccurate. Compare with Lunchbox/Odd Sox (no article, but mentioned at A-side and B-side and Coming Up (song)) which uses an unspaced slash in its name. Vycl1994 (talk) 19:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vycl1994: iTunes also use a spaced slash in the title. There are some articles that uses a spaced slash, such as Tyler, the Creator's song "911 / Mr. Lonely". TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 19:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WRT Tyler, the Creator's song, the lyric video uses the spaced dash, unlike Lil Yachty's song. I just thought that the varied uses of punctuation for this song should be noted, and that's why I opened my post with "note" and not "oppose". Vycl1994 (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Anthony Appleyard: It's more the slash between spaces a significant spelling, it's have nothing to do with stylization. In MOS:SLASH says: "Generally, avoid joining two words with a slash, also called a forward slash, stroke or solidus ( / ), because it suggests that the words are related without specifying how." TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further review, this seems to affect other articles about songs, too. WP:NCMUSIC doesn't seem to specify how to work with slashes in titles, and English Wikipedia is inconsistent with other official titles, as well as the guidelines mentioned above. Although the title of White Light/White Heat (song) matches its audio recording as uploaded to YouTube by Universal Music Group, the audio recording of Venus and Mars/Rock Show provided to YouTube by the same label has a spaced slash, as does No Sugar Tonight/New Mother Nature provided by the Sony Music Entertainment label, and Foreplay/Long Time uploaded to Boston's YouTube channel. Vycl1994 (talk) 14:19, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vycl1994: I think you made a very good point, but I don't consider YouTube as an reliable source. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 07:37, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

wrt the use of YouTube, I tried searching to see if there was consistency in a song titles for one source across the board and did not find it. Another reason I relied on artists' official channels, and not fan-made lyric videos, is so that WP:SPS can be considered, as I believe that the original artists of a song should have a say in how its titled. Similar to the iTunes listings above, which I presume are on that music service because the record labels formally released it there, like they did YouTube. Above all, I do hope that more people participate in this discussion, and that WP:NCMUSIC and other guidelines are updated as a result of consensus reached here or elsewhere, for consistency's sake. In the meantime, MusicBrainz has its own guidelines on tracks with several titles, for comparisons sake. Vycl1994 (talk) 15:21, 12 July 2020 (UTC) edited 15:24, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. MOS:SLASH says use a spaced slash to separate lines of poetry or to separate items that include an internal space. Neither applies here. There are sources using an unspaced slash: [1][2][3]. I don't understand the move rationale; it's not based in policy or the manual of style. DrKay (talk) 15:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.