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Rollback

Note, I rolled this page back due to some irrelevant statements added to the end of the page about the young lady in question being "well endowed".

She is more famous than a #350 or so ranked tennis player deserves to be. I saw the item deleted and while *that* phrasing deserved to be removed, let's not kid ourselves as to why she is on people's radar. 149.79.35.227 (talk) 16:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, my, how the times have changed :) (unsigned comment)
Top 2 not good enough for you, yes?! :) Naki (talk) 11:53, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

This recent edit was likely prompted by this story on "Sports by Brooks -- Sports Celebrity Gossip Since 2001" an "independently-owned general sports blog". This would not appear to meet WP:Reliable sources guidelines. Any real news will undoubtedly be picked up by a reliable source, such as The Sun. -- Thinking of England (talk) 06:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

If you want reliable sources, try the UK's Independent ("to undergo surgery in a bid to improve her game") or, less respectably, the Sydney Daily Telegraph ("way out in front in junior internationals" where her "amazing form has won her an army of fans"). Earthlyreason (talk) 13:29, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Breasts/Breast Reduction

I know this topic has been discussed before, but it plainly needs to be discussed again.

I won't deny that most of the edits concerning Simona's breasts have been crude (to be polite about it), but the undeniable fact is that the main reason she is known has little to do with her tennis ability. If you want some proof of this coming from a "reliable" website, simply go to the official website for the French Open, and you'll note that while most of the popular pictures are of past champions or recent contenders, the first picture is of the 2008 Girls' Champion. If you prefer to Google her name, there are more results for "Simona Halep breasts" than "Simona Halep tennis player", and most of the latter results are about her breasts anyway.

As far as her rumored breast reduction, I agree that there don't seem to be any well-known sports websites that covered the story, but let's face it, their writers and editors are probably reluctant to publish a story involving the breasts of a then 17-year-old girl.

Therefore, I propose that so long as it is worded tastefully, any Wikipedia article of Simona Halep *has* to include a mention of her breasts, since her level of fame is almost entirely tied to them. Drpickem (talk) 15:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Mention those mammaries. Broach the breasts. Yesitsnot (talk) 08:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Anyway, apparently she had the boob reduction operation in summer 2009, which makes the whole episode pretty much non-notable, unless she becomes enormously famous. Earthlyreason (talk) 15:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I stumbled across a brief mention of her breast reduction in a recent article by John Wertheim over at SI.com, so I think we can finally agree that her rumored breast reduction is no longer mere speculation. Again, since she's primarily best known for a few curvaceous tennis action photographs as opposed to her actual success as a junior in tennis, I think it's notable whether she becomes a top star or not. Drpickem (talk) 01:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I think it'll eventually get in there, though it'll probably have to wait for a direct reference in a reliable source. The SI story, while a reliable source, is more an indirect reference. Tabercil (talk) 02:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Is the Daily Mail a reliable enough source? This article is about the reduction. Deadlock (talk) 14:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
The reduction did happen, there is ample photographic evidence. I think it's a compelling story simply because she's an athlete who underwent surgery to improve her game, not to repair an injury. It should be mentioned from that perspective. Jaydub99 (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Response from five years later

And yet we have no mention? The breasts belong in this article. It's the only reason that I've heard of her, so it seems they are notable breasts...or at least were notable in their previous largeness. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 12:08, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Jana Pittman is a similar issue... maybe with similar wording we have include the breasts here? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 12:12, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


Edit requests

As the article is protected because of edit warring, please put requests here so administrators can make the appropriate changes (if needed). Please add a concise summary. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:14, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for being wikipedia dumb. Top picture is not Simona Halep at Wimbledon 2017. It is not Simona Halep at all. For 2017 Wimbledon, Ms. Halep wore shorts, not a skirt, and did not look like this person. If I knew how/what to edit it with, I would, again I'm sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.146.160.167 (talk) 18:53, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Both of the SPAs are blocked. There is no reason for protection any longer. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 08:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not so sure. It's been going on for a week... and just hours ago in fact. Are you saying that it can be properly dealt with now by simply treating any new entanglements as a sock and revert it on sight? That's cool but I think it would be best to get that confirmation from an administrator here so none of us have to worry about stepping over the line of 3 reverts when it happens again. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
If you check who were the new accounts doing the edit-warring across multiple articles, they were Makedonovlah blocked until 7 June and his opposite POV SPA Andreea tenismana who is blocked for three weeks due to a 3RRN report. These two were edit-warring against each other and against longterm, established users who all agreed that this is disruptive. Now that the main two SPAs are dealt with through 3RRN, it defeats the purpose of the 3RRN blocks to fully protect the article. A semi should suffice to deal with new socks and IPs. But the remaining editors in good standing all agree and are not going to edit-war amongst themselves. If, the sole remaining edit-warrior, Makedononvlach, starts again after his last three-day block expires, a new 3RRN report will increase the length of his block. Problem solved. In effect, since Andreea tenismana is already blocked for three weeks, this article is fully-protected because of the single, remaining edit-warrior Makedonovlach. A single SPA editor should be dealt with individually through blocks, not through fully-protecting the article. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Semi sounds reasonable to me, assuming that the two SPAs are indeed set and done with. Problem is I'm not convinced as yet that they haven't yet given up trying to affect things... Tabercil (talk) 17:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
This argument sounds pretty reasonable and I have asked for a change to semi or none at the admins discretion. I'm not convinced they are done either but it's probably best to see if the blocks will do the job. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:50, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Fyunck. Regarding Tabercil's comment, actually there is only one remaining SPA, Makedonovlach, whose three-day block expires tomorrow. The other one, Andreea tenismana, just got a fresh block of three weeks. So the problem has already being minimised through 3RRN action. Makedonovlach has been dormant throughout his block. If he suddenly wakes up and starts reverting, a new report at 3RRN will up the block scale to weeks, not days. So we are safe on that front as well. I will keep an eye anyway. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:33, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
I did a check just now on the protection to see who the admin was who placed it, and it looks like he's already been dropped down to semi state. Tabercil (talk) 18:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Excellent. Good work everyone. Take care guys. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:49, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Please change Simona's main picture with one from French Open 20p18. It is the first grand slam she won and will represent her better, and the, the picture with addidas is so not worth being kept, since Nike is her sponsor is from 2018. Thanks Angelitta (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Aromanian

The proper academic term in 'Macedo-Romanian', which includes all groups that designate themselves variously as 'raman', 'ruman' or 'arman' (which rendered the English term "Aromanian") 85.122.25.236 (talk) 14:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Maybe, but I'm going by what I'm reading in this article as rendered by Google Translate, as it appears to be a profile of her where her own words are present. Though the machine translation doesn't have her directly saying "I'm Aromanian", it does make it clear that's how she views herself. The key part for me: "So I was raised and I hope you do not change, even if you live among Aromanians. I want to keep these traditions and even I would want to marry an Aromanian." (Original language: "Așa am fost crescută și sper să nu mă schimb, chiar dacă nu mai trăiesc printre aromâni. Vreau să țin de aceste tradiții și chiar mi-aș dori să mă căsătoresc cu un aromân.") You'll note that the original language specifically says "aromân/aromâni". Tabercil (talk) 19:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the reply. The argument was that the proper scholarly term is "Macedo-Romanian", juxtaposed by "Daco-Romanian", "Megleno-Romanian" and "Istro-Romanian". Take note that the interview you cite is not in Halep's native tongue; it is just as likely that in her mother tongue she identifies as an râmân, instead of armân. But this is pedantry. And what better way to circumvent it, than by using the proper encyclopedic, all-encompassing term. 85.122.25.236 (talk) 11:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Macedonians (Greeks Latins)

Hello. I tried to explain my changes but nobody read the explanations. We live in 2014 in a multi-cultural Europe. How is possible to accept in the english language the term "Aromanian"? Many scientists described this term as an EXONYM. More than this, is a miss-translate of the name of our first contemporary grammar book (Roman or Macedono-Vlah Grammar). In Greece, the Academy consider us Ancient Greeks latinised. In Greece!!! Hundreds of scientists. In these conditions what is the problem with the term Macedonians (Greeks Latins)? You asked us to talk before making changes. Let's talk. Is somebody ready to accept a dialogue? I apologise but if there are some macedo-bulgarians or romanians admins, they will never accept the truth. And how to accept it if their national history has a lot of mistakes? We have here a conflict between Greece (Macedonia), Romania and FYROM. But for us, the term Macedonians (Greeks Latins) has no historical errors. Please, those professionals who can explain this term is false, to come here and talk. (Makedonovlah (talk) 10:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC))

You ask: Is somebody ready to accept a dialogue?, but in the next line you write: I apologise but if there are some macedo-bulgarians or romanians admins, they will never accept the truth. This is an antiphasis. Because you cannot start a good-faith dialogue while using the alleged ethnicity of your interlocutors to attack their motives, while at the same time declaring yourself as the sole arbiter of WP:TRUTH. This is called a personal attack at best or WP:BAITing at worst, and it is not good Wikipedian behaviour. Going to the substance of your arguments, you have not supplied any reliable sources. Your sources, a religious website and an old grammar book, are fringe and do not represent the current academic consensus on the subject. You have been told similar things from other users such as Kostas Plakidas, a respected and longstanding Greek editor, and the first thing you did is go to his talkpage to ask him if he lives in Greece, calling him sarcastically "Mister Ancient Dacian". Then to make a WP:POINT you moved Greeks to "Greeks (Ancient Dacians)" with an attacking edit-summary that "Cplakidas says this is the truth". That's vandalism and it is completely unacceptable on Wikipedia. In conclusion, edit-warring, vandalism and personal attacks can, and will, get you blocked and perhaps permanently; but they will not help you win any arguments. You should listen to what respected editors tell you and you should listen better. There is no WP:CONSENSUS for your edits. And remember: On Wikipedia, ethnicity of editors does not matter. We are all Wikipedians here and our arguments are based on the policies of this place, not on our ethnicity. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Actually, the words "Vlachs", "Macedo-Romanians", "Macedo-Bulgarians" are exonyms. Aromanians call themselves (as an endonym) "rămâni"/"rãmãnji" or "armâni"/"armâńl′i" in their own dialect/language. (See Matilda Caragiu Marioțeanu) Călușaru' (talk) 12:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Can we identify Simona as Aromanian

Last year, I've included her in Category: Romanian people of Aromanian descent. Looking at the page yesterday, the category disappeared. I've checked that the required references are already included in the page, so I've added the category back and I've also included a few words in the text, not too prominently, in the Early years section.

9 hours later, both changes were sneakingly removed by an anonymous editor, buried within other changes about her current participation in the Australian Open. Adrian two (talk) 13:54, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

This user also belongs to you? Contributions/Makedonovlah. About Simona Halep, she is Romanian. Aromanian = Vlach, Aromanian language = vulgar Latin of Romania (it sounds almost the same like Romanian). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F08:82CF:FFFF:0:0:4F71:CFEE (talk) 14:15, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I've never used any other account on Wikipedia. You are using an IP address, I am not. There are proper references showing Simona is of Aromanian descent and her being proud of it, it's not an insult as you seem to see it. Your reverts are vandalism, and will be reported as such. Adrian two (talk) 14:28, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

If you report me, I wil also report you. Seriously, leave it this way! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F08:82CF:FFFF:0:0:4F71:CFEE (talk) 14:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Folks, please hash the situation out here in the article as opposed to editing the article. Neither of you have hit the 3 revert mark which constitutes edit warring, and I've closed out Adrian two's report at WP:AN3 on that basis. Tabercil (talk) 16:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

An anonymous user 2a02:2f09:41df:ffff::4f72:6237 // 2a02:2f09:41ef:ffff::4f72:5edf, once again, tries to remove the established fact that Simona is Aromanian. He/she reverted my changes twice, even though I left edit summaries requesting discussion here. Adrian two (talk) 00:14, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Make it now 3 reverts from the same user. Adrian two (talk) 19:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... that IP (2a02...) only shows two edits so far. And I've just given one warning for disruptive editing. Tabercil (talk) 21:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
One: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&diff=651993971&oldid=651981969 by 2a02:2f09:41df:ffff::4f72:6237 -- partially masked by including it with other changes and edit summary = WTA finals source (NY times)
Two: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&diff=652156306&oldid=652105916 by 2a02:2f09:41ef:ffff::4f72:5edf
Three: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&diff=652250500&oldid=652248891 by 2a02:2f09:41ef:ffff::4f72:5edf Adrian two (talk) 21:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm... compare that with what it says here... just two edits. Tabercil (talk) 21:47, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
There is very slight variation in the long IP address (last two bytes), but I'd be willing to bet it's the same person. Adrian two (talk) 21:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Four: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&diff=652848540&oldid=652774661 by 2a02:2f09:41df:ffff::4f72:611c, slight variation in the IP, misleading edit summary "a bit of rewording, see talk page" --> thanks, Tabercil, for reverting. Adrian two (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Five: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&diff=653045149&oldid=652930671 by 2a02:2f09:41cf:ffff::4f71:5e7b, slight variation in the IP, no edit summary
Six: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&diff=653095132&oldid=653086522 by 2a02:2f09:41cf:ffff::4f72:62b0 , slight variation in the IP, misleading edit summary "see talk page" Adrian two (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Seven: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&oldid=653096436&diff=prev by 2a02:2f09:41cf:ffff::4f72:62b0, misleading and insulting edit summary "talk page, are you blind?" Adrian two (talk) 01:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Eight: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&diff=next&oldid=653210598 by 2a02:2f09:41bf:ffff::4f72:67fc, slight variation in the IP, irrelevant edit summary "Aromanian=Romanian, they speak Latin at Balkan level" --> thanks, Tabercil, for reverting. Adrian two (talk) 12:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Nine: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simona_Halep&diff=654036088&oldid=653902603 by 2a02:2f09:41df:ffff::567d:e10c, slight variation in the IP, no edit summary Adrian two (talk) 15:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm... IP keeps bouncing around, so blocking the IP won't solve this. Tabercil (talk) 15:48, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit explanation

Okay, back on my main system and with it a chance to explain why I set the article to "Pending Changes". What I have seen is, per the section above, an anon IP address systemically changing her background from Aromanian to Romanian, without giving any rationale for it. Because the IP address involved did change a few times, I couldn't block just the one address and I'm reluctant to implement a range block. I could set the protection level to Semi and prevent any IP address from editing, but I see there are other IPs which are making useful contributions that I would like to be be able to continuing editing. Thus, I'm left with "Pending" for how to protect it. Tabercil (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Sort of a rock and a hard place. It doesn't usually work as well for frequently edited articles like this one, but it's worth a try. I assume confirmed users' edits will also revert to pending if an anon IP still has pending edits that haven't been looked at yet? Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe - I honestly don't know myself whether what you describe will happen or not. But I'd prefer to minimize what actions I take on the issue and Pending seemed to be the smallest step possible to solve it. Tabercil (talk) 03:16, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Wins over top-ten players

An IP editor created this table in the article, but due to factual errors regarding place names (eg. New Haven, New Haven) and a lack of precedent among other tennis-player articles, I have moved it here for discussion. Best, —jameslucas (" " / +) 22:43, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

# Player Rank Event Surface Round Score
2011
1. China LI Na No. 6 US Open, New York, USA Hard 1st Round 6–2, 7–5
2013
2. Poland Agnieszka Radwańska No. 4 Italian Open, Rome, Italy Clay 3rd Round 6–7(2–7), 6–1, 6–2
3. France Marion Bartoli No. 7 Cincinnati Masters, Cincinnati, United States Hard 2nd Round 3–6, 6–4, 6–1
4. Denmark Caroline Wozniacki No. 8 Connecticut Open, New Haven, United States Hard SF 6–2, 7–5
5. Czech Republic Petra Kvitová No. 9 Connecticut Open, New Haven, United States Hard F 6–2, 6–2
2014
6. Serbia Jelena Janković No. 8 Australian Open, Melbourne, USA Hard 4th Round 6–4, 2–6, 6–0
7. Italy Sara Errani No. 7 Qatar Open, Doha, Qatar Hard QF 6–2, 6–0
8. Poland Agnieszka Radwańska No. 4 Qatar Open, Doha, Qatar Hard SF 7–5, 6–2
9. Germany Angelique Kerber No. 9 Qatar Open, Doha, Qatar Hard F 6–2, 6–3
10. Czech Republic Petra Kvitová No. 6 Madrid Open, Madrid, Spain Clay SF 6–7(4–7), 6–3, 6–2
11. United States Serena Williams No. 1 WTA Tour Championships, Singapore, Singapore Hard Round Robin 6–0, 6–2
12. Canada Eugenie Bouchard No. 5 WTA Tour Championships, Singapore, Singapore Hard Round Robin 6–2, 6–3
13. Canada Agnieszka Radwańska No. 6 WTA Tour Championships, Singapore, Singapore Hard SF 6–2, 6–2
  • Fixed rankings, all were top 10 but some were ranked wrong. Added missing players like Serena Williams. There may be more missing, but what's there is correct. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:37, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
    The other thing is that this table is already on her career stats page so no need to repeat it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

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Halep's #1 position

To the IP that removed material: the solution to your claim of Halep losing her #1 seed in Women's Tennis is to find sources and/or rephrasing text, not deleting it. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:04, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2018

On the brief description of Simona Halep, at the Grand Slam results, at the French Open she appears to have been in the final in 2016. This must be a typo. It was played between Williams and Muguruza. 88.67.189.97 (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not seeing this in the article now. There was a lot of vandalism and disruption on this article in the last day or two, so this was probably already corrected. If you're still seeing this somewhere in the article, please reopen this request and let me know where it is. Thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 21:27, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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