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Former good article nomineeShiraz was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 27, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
September 20, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Move[edit]

It seems like Shiraz should be the title of this page, and not a disambiguation link. I suggest moving the page and making a new page for Shiraz (disambiguation). Cuñado - Talk 01:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great Info[edit]

Kudus on the info! Very good Web Master 07:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We try.--Zereshk 09:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Errors[edit]

I tried to verify that Shiraz is the sister city of Weimar. However, according to Weimar's homepage, it is not ([1]). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.124.26.250 (talk) 08:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I stop editing these pages, erors will start creeping back almost immediately. Some errors Ive spotted so far:

  • Shiraz was capital briefly during Saffarid times, not "Safavid" times.
  • Wine was not discovered outside Shiraz. It was discovered outside Urmia.

Good luck.--Zereshk 20:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The page says "It is also believed that the name of the Shiraz grape originates from here as well (although the grape itself has been shown, through genetic testing, to have originated in France.)", although this is in direct conflict with the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiraz_grape Seanahan 19:10, 9 September 2006


On the Notable People of Shiraz[edit]

Just came to my attention that such individual as Saeed Emami has been placed under the heading of "Notable people" of Shiraz. I have consequently qualified him as "Murderer, criminal and psychopath". For completeness, in the event that the meaning of "Notable" is not known to those considering Saeed Emami as a notable of Shiraz, or of any other place for that matter, here are the principal meanings of "notable" according to OED:

Notable Worthy or deserving of note, especially on account of excellence, value, or importance; remarkable, striking, eminent.

To put Saeed Emami under the heading of "Notable people", several rows down Saadi and Hafez, is indicative of either not knowing what "notable" means, or of bad taste, or of disregard to the sanctity of human life, or of all of these. I propose therefore that a new heading be created, such as "Notorious people", "Disreputable people", "Ill-famed people", "Infamous people", etc. The present setting is an affront to basic human decency. Kind regards, --BF 00:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, Saeed Emami is a Notable person.... Although he is only notable because of his crimes. So in fact he should be under the notable people section. (User:NeMiStIeRs 19:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

GAC fail[edit]

I have failed the article as a citation is needed for each statement that likely to be challenged. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Epbr123 19:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On photographs inside text[edit]

Just wished to propose that the photographs inside text be placed in the usual way, rather than sideways, or in the zigzag form, which invoke in the reader the impression of a chaotic text. Please note that this is an encyclopaedia article, representing facts, and not an artistic one, or a promotional one. I do not wish to change things myself, as I am very well aware of the tireless efforts over the past weeks of in particular User:Manu kian maheri93 to improve the entry so that my abrupt changes might be viewed as being a less than friendly gesture. Therefore rather than changing the positions of the photographs myself, I have decided to make my feelings known about the unattractive visual aspects of the entry, that truly seeing the photographs in their present composition, invariably leave the impression on me (and incorrectly at that) that the article were chaotic. Incidentally, why not try and place some of the photographs inside a photo gallery (adding a small caption to each so that readers can see who the people or what the places are)? For inspiration, one may consult the entry on Tabriz. Kind regards, --BF 06:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

With no offense to the previous GA reviewer, unfortunately the previous GA review didn't help much. So I will try and leave a more thorough review on this article this time. Unfortunately, the article still does not meet the Good Article criteria, and will not be listed.

The article starts off very good. The lead is starting off to be a good summary of the article, but could still be expanded. It might help editors to review some tips at WP:LEAD here. Also, as a minor note, the population number in the lead shouldn't be cited, if that same figure is mentioned later in the text (demography), the cite should be attached to that sentence instead.

I like the etymology section. It seems well written, sourced, and the pronunciation info will help non-native readers. The history section is also shaping up very good, although there are lots of individual sections with very little text, so it could clearly be expanded. It is looking reasonably well referenced as well.

The geography section looks good, although there's very little details on the climate. It could go into more detail on seasons, average temperates, weather, etc. The photo of Elam Garden in this section seems somewhat out of place? It would help if the text in the section would put some context to the significance of that part of town. Better yet, I would almost expect more of a city map or topological map in this section, as it would be more helpful. Also, what's the cityscape like? How is the street laid out and what kind of neighborhoods are there?

The economy section seems to contain several isolated sentences that could be drawn together into one or two paragraphs, and its information expanded.

Beyond that, the article is just incomplete. Most of the sections after that are mainly just lists, and not prose, which is clearly a B-class attribute and not indicative of GA status. I would recommend moving the list of famous people to a separate article, linked to under 'see also' -- it's contents are borderline notable, and lists like this are very highly abused by anonymous editors adding all sorts of non-notables to it, so it's best to have it separate; plus, it's quite long. You might have a short paragraph in this article, mentioning a few of the most notable people from the city in prose, and linking to the full list from there.

Instead of including reference citations on individual sister cities, most wikipedia city articles have a brief introductory sentence like, "Shiraz has four sister cities:", and that statement is referenced using the Sister Cities International website.

Reference citations should contain full information, not just the URL link (e.g. author, title, publisher, date of publication, and date of retrieval for web links -- as much as possible -- if no author is found, fine, but list as much you can find). The reason for this is so that, should the link ever disappear (404 not found), editors interested in verifying the citation have some sort of "trail" to go by. See WP:CITE for more information on references and formatting.

Additionally, I would also recommend taking a look at WikiProject Cities for more information and tips on improving city articles. Specifically, there are two article templates/guidelines there; though one is for US cities and the other for UK cities, the information contained therein should nonetheless be helpful in improving the article (regarding what sections to include and how, for example).

Hope this information helps to improve the article. Good luck! Dr. Cash 04:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rainfall[edit]

The rainfall numbers do not make sense.

The cited reference gives 14-18 inches as average, 24 as upper limit. Even in millimetres this is an average of 350-450 with up to 584, orders of magnitude lower than the quoted values. The values given substantially exceed the rainfall records in really wet places like the Hawai'ian islands and the Milford Sound region of New Zealand. The quoted values are not even internally consistent: "average rainfall is between 808 and 111000 inches" vs "has reached 706 inches". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.24.205 (talk) 05:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Error: Shiraz is the third in population in Iran[edit]

In 1976 Shiraz was the third in population after Tehran and Mashhad...

In 1986 Shiraz was fourth after Isfahan

Today is the Third with over 1.7 million of people...

I Think this Error came from Two sources: 1.Government who hates Shiraz!!! 2.UN that it's source is The government!!! but if government likes or not Shiraz has over 1.7 million of population.=O= --94.74.151.251 (talk) 20:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

Everyone, please keep an eye on this. All the recent edits from anonymous users have been vandalism. It's all reverted now (I reverted two before logging in, oops). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Behdad (talk • contribs) 15:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people, take 2[edit]

I've reinstated "Siyyid `Alí Muḥammad Shírází" (Báb) under "Notable people", after seeing it's been removed twice by IP users (94.183.225.189 and 94.183.235.171). The edit summary given in both removals was "Bab as a famous people of Shiraz is removed because it may trigger religious anger.", suggesting both edits may have been done by the same person. I don't exactly see what's "triggering" about stating historical facts, although perhaps I'm missing something. If no one else objects, I'd suggest we leave Báb in with "Notable people"; starting one's own religious movement, especially one that had a profound effect upon the society of its time, seems enough for someone to be notable. If others are truly concerned that this inclusion will have some sort of negative effect or detract from the article in some way, then perhaps we could discuss it here. Otherwise, if Wikipedia has adopted new guidelines forbidding the inclusion of content that "may trigger religious anger", then I'll consider myself informed once told. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 03:59, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. Any ideas from people watching this page? So far this one line has been removed five times by five different IP users, without so much as a how-do-you-do in response to the messages I've been leaving on individual talk pages, seeking dialogue (see the latest one). Even the edit summaries are gone now... Edit: ...and re-reverted within ten minutes this time, by a different IP. Left another note. In the interest of not escalating this (and not breaking 3RR), I won't revert again today. To whoever is reverting, please reply here so we can have some discussion of the appropriateness of the line in question to the overall article, or at least reply on my talk page. Please? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 14:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This time, along with the same revert, newly referenced content relating to the entry was removed. I've again notified both editors (94.183.229.69 and 94.183.237.141) of the discussion on this page. As before, I'll refrain from reverting further for today, although I expect I'll be looking for help from WP admininstrators to resolve this issue soon, as I'm at a loss of what else to do. Edit: I've requested page semi-protection here, hopefully this will help if it passes. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 18:03, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I respect Bahais as they are human like others and they have no sin being Bahai but I believe that Bab and Baha were not respected and they have fooled their followers and most importantly they have been supported by UK and other foreign powers at that time just to intensify the diffraction between Iranian community at that time. The picture in which is it being shown that 'Sir' is awarded to Abdolbaha is very remarkable in this regard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.183.229.69 (talk • contribs)

Hi—thank you for clarifying your opinions. Regardless of either of our views about the validity of the Baha'i Faith or any of its related figures, there exists enough reliable sources establishing it as notable (in fact, Bahá'í Faith is a Featured article), which would make Báb, as one of its progenitors, notable enough for inclusion in this article, whether under "Notable people", "History" or otherwise. If the problem is with the Bahá'í Faith's notability, then perhaps the discussion should be moved to that article rather than here, in which case I would ask that you please refrain from undoing the addition of referenced content relating to Báb in this article until such time as a consensus is reached. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 18:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

November 2011[edit]

So after >20 reversions of the same bullet point over the past year, I figure it's pretty safe to say that a persistent, single-minded individual or group of individuals with dynamic IPs is systematically blanking the same content over and over, despite the admission in August that the content being removed is notable. Any ideas as to next steps here, or is the continued cycle of reversions our only option for now? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 20:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The good news is that you now have several people watching this page. This user (and I'm pretty sure it's one user with a dynamic IP) is now trying to pass value judgements. I would suggest that if it keeps up, we collect the IPs, and report to ANI. Personally, I think this wouldn't violate the 3RR, since the behavior is disruptive editing, but the ANI can determine that for us. —Quintucket (talk) 19:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the good news :) I notice that our serial reverter has been continuing each time the page gets unprotected. This time, he not only went back on his previous admission of notability but also inexplicably added a talk page template on the article page, which has now been reverted. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 14:25, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Transportation - Bus paragraph[edit]

Are there really only 7 lines on the bus network? If that's true, how do they fit 50.000 Busses onto them? I count 73 bus lines from the selection box right below the Transportation part.

Edit request on 22 February 2012[edit]

Please, change the name of Shiraz mayor from "Mehran Etemadi" to "Alireza Pakfetrat". Mehran Etemadi was removed from power about a year ago.

80.191.121.175 (talk) 08:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

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Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Shiraz/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

I think it should be highbecause:

1.It (and the surrounding region) has been the capital of Iran several times. 2.It is one of the biggest Iranian cities and the biggest in southern Iran.

3.Shiraz is one of the main cultural centers in Iran.

Last edited at 19:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 06:00, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Severe image congestion[edit]

Currently there are many images and this is breaking the formatting of the page. I would suggest that the infobox image is replaced with one of the images below as both of them are good representations of the city as a whole. The other images are all located elsewhere in the article so they will still be displayed.

  • Imamzadeh Ali ebn e Hamze
    Imamzadeh Ali ebn e Hamze
  • Image of Shiraz from space
    Image of Shiraz from space

Testem (talk) 00:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For the time being, I have reverted the infobox image to the montage that was present prior to 01 Dec 2016.
|image_skyline = [[File:Shiraz In 1frame.jpg|250px|center]] could be used if there is disagreement.
Testem (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Images in Tourism section[edit]

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To add to article[edit]

To add to this article: what happened in Shiraz during the Timurid period? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 10:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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