Talk:Seven generation sustainability

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Source Checking[edit]

I have so far failed to find a copy of the Great Law of the Iroquois which contains the quoted statement. Can anyone help? Finog (talk) 07:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect it is an urban legend. Paul Studier (talk) 07:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How Long?[edit]

How long is this? Can one take a generation to be 20 years? So one must consider consequences up to 140 years from now? Paul Studier (talk)

Perhaps 25 x 7 = 175 is a better estimate. --Lbeaumont (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of seven generations[edit]

Hmmm... I do not have a source to back this up, but when I was introduced to the notion, seven generations meant three forward and three back with the seventh being the generation running things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dchoriki (talk • contribs) 17:13, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the 3 forward, 3 back. What is interesting is that we have the potential to know all 7 generations in our lifetime. A very different meaning that the "7 in future" concept. Without citations for either though... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.91.39 (talk) 05:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not a quote from the constitution[edit]

"In every deliberation, we must consider the impact on the seventh generation... even if it requires having skin as thick as the bark of a pine." is not in the iroquois constution, as I found when checking the link. The constitution never mentions the seventh generation at all. The only mention of "seven" is " The Lords of the Confederacy of the Five Nations shall e mentors of the people for all time. The thickness of their skin shall be seven spans -- which is to say that they shall be proof against anger, offensive actions and criticism. " That's not speaking about future generations. So where did this concept come from? --Johannes Rohr (talk) 13:08, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Haudenosaunee constitution is an oral tradition, not a historical document. The written version that's cited in the article is a written version prepared by Arthur C. Parker in 1915.^[1] The question of why seven generations wasn't mentioned in that text would be relevant to article but posing it would be an original thought and so would break WP:ORIGINAL. The best course of action would probably be to remove the unsourced "In every deliberation, [...]" quote as well as any references to Parker's version. NuclearElevator (talk) 08:06, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.tuscaroras.com/index.php/about-the-iroquois-constitution

Sustainability or stewardship?[edit]

Is it sustainability or stewardship, or both? The article name and the start of the article don't match. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:16, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Length of a generation[edit]

I’m not sure it’s correct that a generation is the same as a lifespan. I’ve heard it defined as the average time between generational births, maybe 30 years a generation (you have a child at 30, that child might have their child at 30, and so on). This holds true for my own family. My 7th great-grandfather (7th generation) was born in 1725, about 246 years before me. 141.126.133.203 (talk) 02:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Potential Sources[edit]

https://www.pbs.org/warrior/content/timeline/opendoor/roleOfChief.html - PBS "Seven Generations - the Role of Chief"
Does this work? Not optimal, but PBS is pretty reputable, and it has quotes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Lotze (talk • contribs) 19:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.tuscaroras.com/index.php/about-the-iroquois-constitution

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