Talk:Sangokujin

Ethnocide!?

I have removed Ethnocide from the See also list, because I could not see any relevance between it and the term sangokujin, regardless of its derogatory meaning. If you disagree, feel free to bring it back but please give your reason why it should belong in the list by replying to this post.Neogura (talk) 05:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Please expand

Is this a derogatory term or not? There seems to be a fundamental disagreement about who the term originally referred to. Can someone with some understanding of the issues please expand on this and clean up the translation a bit?

It would appear it is derogatory, I find no respectable sources stating otherwise also when Shintaro Ishihara used the word it set off protests. RomaC 04:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Have edited the page to reflect the above also have removed an external link to a Japanese-language page about "Crimes by Sangokujin." RomaC 05:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn’t the “nationalist” qualifier in front of Ishihara’s name be removed as violating NPOV? I’m not saying that he’s not a nationalist (he is, unabashedly), just that the labeling is inappropriate because it’s judgmental whereas we’re supposed to let readers draw their own conclusions—something that should be too hard in this case <g>. Jim_Lockhart 07:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Japanese massacre of foreigners, etc.

"to suggest that crimes would be committed by foreigners in the aftermath of an earthquake" - Ishihara

huhuhu. This statement is just ridiculous considering how it was the JAPANESE who were killing foreigners (Koreans) after the Great Kanto (Tokyo and surrounding prefectures) earthquake in 1923. There are articles about that here, here and link here. Just google "koreans killed after kanto earthquake."

According to the latter article, the research of a Japanese professor from Hosei University, brings to light that the killings were not started by citizen mobs but by the military and police. Horrible. Many Koreans and other asians ("sangokujin") in Japan still fear this kind of man-slaughter could happen in the aftermath of earthquakes today.

"brought to Japan as laborers" 'laborers' is a very clean word for this. The reality is that they were slaves, POWs, and sex-slaves ("confort women").

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The term is tied to protests and debates over citizenship (particularly for Koreans brought over during WWII)

I know more about this subject and will research more and will try to add to this article later (in an unbiased way)

--- p.s. the term is definately derogatory

Toritaiyo 01:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

translation

三国人(sangokujin) is a shortened form of the word 第三国人(daisangokujin). The Chinese character 第(dai) is a prefix for order. For example, 第一(Dai ichi) means #1. So "three country" is wrong.--Mochi (talk) 13:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

An American term?

The article says "sangokujin" was coined by the Americans, but this seems highly unlikely. They may have coined the term "third country person" (no "the"), but "sangokujin" seems to clearly be a Japanese word. Is there a reference to support this? Ghostofnemo (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Third country national. It is not a controversial phrase in the original language. --Iceburg Lettuce (talk) 13:32, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I checked the two books cited in this article; both say the term was used by the American administration at some point, but neither says the Americans coined it. So it looks like your skepticism is correct. I've edited the article. Ceconhistorian (talk) 09:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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