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SandForce Driven partners/products[edit]

I'm new to editing Wiki articles and I made a table of SandForce Driven partners and products. I wanted to post it here first to make sure I followed the guidelines before it got posted up on the main page. If someone could let me know if I need to make adjustments that would be great.

Company Products Controller Capacities (GB)
AMP Inc. SATAsphere SF-1500 25/50/100/200 (SLC)
50/100/200/400 (MLC)
Bay Bridge AMP341 SF-1500 25/50/100 (SLC)
50/100/200 (MLC)
Apacer Inc. TBA TBA TBA
Corsair Force SF-1200 40/60/90/120/180/240 (MLC)
DigiCube Co. TBA TBA TBA
G.Skill Phoenix SF-1200 60/100/120/240 (MLC)
Phoenix Pro SF-1200 40/60/80/120/160/240 (MLC)
GWMedium Co. TBA TBA TBA
MX-Tech Co. MX-DS SF-1200 40/50/60/100/120
200/240/400/480 (MLC)
extrememory XLR8 Plus SF-1200 60/120/240/480 (MLC)
Mushkin, Inc. Callisto SF-1200 60/120/240 (MLC)
Callisto Deluxe SF-1200 40/60/120/240 (MLC)
OCZ Inc. OCZ Agility 2 SF-1200 40/50/100/200/400 (MLC)
Extended 60/90/120/180/240/480 (MLC)
Onyx 2 SF-1200 120/140 (MLC)
RevoDrive SF-1200 50/80/120/180/240/360/480 (MLC)
Vertex 2 SF-1200 40/50/100/200/400 (MLC)
Extended 60/90/120/180/240/480 (MLC)
Vertex 2 Pro SF-1500 50/100/200/400 (MLC)
Vertex 2 EX SF-1500 50/100/200 (SLC)
OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SF-1200 40/60/120/240/480 (MLC)
Mercury Extreme Pro RE SF-1200 50/100/200/400 (MLC)
Patriot Memory Inferno SF-1200 60/100/120/200/240 (MLC)
Pretech / C-ONE Co. TBA TBA TBA
Smart Modular XceedIOPS (1.8") SF-1500 50/100/200 (eMLC)
XceedIOPS (2.5") SF-1500 50/100/200/400 (eMLC)
Soligen Corp. Spartan SF-1200 64 (SLC)
128/256 (MLC)
Elite Enterprise SF-1500 64/128/256 (MLC)
Flashbridge SF-1200 128/256 (MLC)
Flashbridge Enterprise SF-1500 64/128 (SLC)
128/256 (MLC)
Team Group Inc. Xtreem-S1 SF-1200 60/120/240 (MLC)
Unigen Corp. TBA TBA TBA
Viking Modular Solutions Element SATA N/A N/A
Element SAS N/A N/A
Element Slim SATA N/A 25/60/120 (SLC/MLC/eMLC)
SATA Cube N/A 4 to 256
SATADIMM N/A N/A

Ijkim88 (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I assume this was added by ljkim88 based on the edit history. You probably want to sign your posts with the four sequential ~~~~ marks. You clearly spent a long time working on this table. I posted it tonight, but I commented out the entries you have as TBD since there are no sources or information to support the claim.
  1. On the Viking entries there does not seem to be any evidence directly linking those products to SandForce, but I do recall seeing something from IDF a few weeks ago. If you can find that article and link it as a source to as many of the products as you have listed, it will better support this claim. Otherwise we will likely need to remove them without any sources.
  2. You would be better to have the company names be links to articles in Wikipedia and then have the company sites be entered as sources for each product. I would propose the source be entered as attached to the product model being used since that is what needs the source in the table. Then the products should not be linked to the companies' web sites like you have now. If you can find the internal Wikipedia article on the products then that would be better, otherwise I think there are too many external links in the main article. However if you can find another article that uses this many external links in a "Feature Article" or "Good Article" status then I will stand corrected.
§ Music Sorter § (talk) 06:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I forgot to sign my post. I will make proper adjustments to the table with the proper sources. I couldn't find an article with this many external links either, so I will change that too. Also, it seems there was an announcement for a new product SF-2000
Ijkim88 (talk) 18:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now after a couple years, I would say this kind of advertisement cut-n-paste would not be appropriate for an encyclopedia. Especially now that the company is just a part of LSI, this can probably be summarized for historical value. W Nowicki (talk) 21:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see you updated the tense of the article which seems appropriate, but I am not sure I agree the table should be deleted. People come to Wikipedia to learn about products. The table helped identify products that use the SandForce controller and participate in the SandForce Driven program. There are a number of articles that have lists like this. How is this not encyclopedic? I propose we add it back in, but maybe remove the older products. § Music Sorter § (talk) 18:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like we need a third opinion. I would say the guidelines WP:LINKFARM WP:NOTADVERTISING and WP:NOTCATALOG all apply here. This is just a litany of URLs promoting products without any sources. It is guaranteed to be out of date as people read it in the future. Readers who want an up to date list can go to the company web site, that is not a job for Wikipedia which has a neutrality policy. Other encyclopedias do not include product promotion like this; it belongs in some of the many product guides that exist. These kind of dated product pages need to eventually be removed from other articles too. Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 18:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are probably correct that more opinion may be necessary here. You said this is a litany of URLs without sources, but maybe you are only looking at the talk page table above. To enable this discussion I have restored the last version from the public page here to ensure the discussion is considering what was actually on the page. Every entry is absolutely sourced and this list does not exist on any current web site. I disagree with your assessments on the three WP guideline links. In each case I do not believe the individual criteria for those apply to this content.
I also propose that this list is no different from the many "List of ..." pages in the computer technology area that are constantly getting updated including List_of_flash_memory_controller_manufacturers, List_of_defunct_hard_disk_manufacturers, List_of_solid-state_drive_manufacturers, List_of_HTC_phones, List_of_multi-touch_computers_and_monitors, List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors, and many, many more. In fact some of the lists like List_of_Crystal_Dynamics_video_games are Featured Lists and have more association with your WP guidelines than the SandForce Driven list. You said the SandForce Driven list has to be maintained, but it needs no more editing than this Crystal Dynamics list over time. § Music Sorter § (talk) 06:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think this table may have multiple sources, updating all of it would be tedious and maybe redundant to a degree. I also agree this table is very much like the other lists and requires the same maintenance over time. The table has been there for 2 years and it does not seem appropriate to delete it now when there was no opposition raised. I propose we add it back at least for now while we continue to debate and get additional inputs/references on its appropriateness. Belmond (talk) 08:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)Belmond[reply]

!==SandForce Trusted==

...

Not every company listed in the table participates in the SandForce Driven program, but they do identify the controller in the SSD is from SandForce.

Company Products Controller Capacities (GB) (MLC/SLC) Interface
ADATA Technology S599[1][2] SF-1200 40/60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
S511[1][3] SF-2200 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
S510[1][4] SF-2200 60/120 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
SX900[1][5] SF-2281 64/128/256/512 (MLC) 2.5” SATA
XM13[1] SF-1222 30/60 (MLC) mSATA
AMP Inc. SATAsphere[1][6] SF-1500 25/50/100/200 (SLC)
50/100/200/400 (MLC) 		2.5" SATA
Bay Bridge[1][7] SF-1500 25/50/100 (SLC)
50/100/200 (MLC) 		Custom SATA
Angelbird Crest SSD[1][8] SF-1222 60/115/240 (MLC) 2.5"
Crest 6 Master[9] SF-2281 240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Wings PCIe expansion card[10] SF-2281 0/16/32 (MLC) PCIe
Apacer Technology Inc. Turbo II Series-AS602[1][11] SF-1200 60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
ATP Electronics Velocity M-IV[1][12] SF-2000 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Velocity SI Pro[1][12] SF-2000 30/60/120/240 (SLC) 2.5" SATA
Axiom Signature III[1][13] SF-2000 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Enterprise Hot-swap (Dell/HP/IBM)[14] SF-2000 50/100/200 (eMLC) 2.5" SATA
Biwin Elite[1] SF-2000 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5” SATA
Codisk Codragon[1][15] SF-1200 32 - 256 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
CoreRise Comay Pluto 3 Enterprise Series[1][16] SF-2000 50 – 480 (MLC)
50 – 240 (SLC) 		2.5" SATA
Comay Venus 3 Client Series[1][17] SF-2281 60/90/120/180/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Comay Ceres 3 Client Series[1][18] SF-2281 30/60/120/240 (MLC) mSATA
Corsair Force[1][19] SF-1200 40/60/90/120/180/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Force 3[1][19] SF-2200 60/90/120/180/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Force GT[1][19] SF-2200 60/90/120/180/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Accelerator Caching SSD[1][19] SF-2181 30/45/60 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Data Memory Systems DMS Celerity 6G[1][20] SF-2000 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
DMS Celerity 6G Plus[1][21] SF-2000 120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Edge Tech Blaze Pro[1][22] SF-2000 40/60/80/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
extrememory XLR8 Plus[1][23] SF-1200 60/120/240/480 (MLC)
G.Skill Phoenix[1][24] SF-1200 60/100/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Phoenix Pro[1][24] SF-1200 40/60/80/120/160/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
GWMedium Co. GWM 2.5" SATA II SSD[1][25] SF-1200 60~240 (TBD) 2.5" SATA
Intel SSD 520[26][27] SF-2281 60/120/180/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
SSD 330[26] SF-2281 60/120/180 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Kingston Technology HyperX 3K[28] SF-2281 90/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
HyperX SSD[29][30] SF-2281 120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
SSDNow V+200 SSD[31] SF-2281 60/90/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
SSDNow KC100 SSD[1][32] SF-2281 120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
LSI Corporation SSS6200[33] TBD TBD PCIe
Nytro XD[34][35] SF-2000 (x4 or x8) 200 - 3200 (MLC) & (SLC) PCIe
Nytro WarpDrive[34][35] SF-2000 (x4 or x8) 200 - 3200 (MLC) & (SLC) PCIe
Nytro MegaRAID[34][35] SF-2000 (x4 or x8) 200 - 3200 (MLC) & (SLC) PCIe
MX-Tech Co. MX-DS Fusion[1][36] SF-2281 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
MX-DS Turbo[1][37] SF-2000 120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
MX-DS[1][38] SF-1200 40/50/60/100/120
200/240/400/480 (MLC) 		2.5" SATA
Mushkin, Inc. Callisto[1][39] SF-1222 60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Callisto Deluxe[1][39] SF-1222 40/60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Chronos[1][39] SF-2281 60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Chronos Deluxe[1][39] SF-2281 60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
OCZ Inc. Agility 2[1][40] SF-1200 40/50/100/200/400 (MLC)
Extended 60/90/120/180/240/480 (MLC)
Agility 3[1][41] SF-2200 60/90/120/240 (MLC)
Extended 60/90/120/180/240/480 (MLC)
Onyx 2[1][42] SF-1200 120/140 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
RevoDrive[1][43] SF-1222
(x2) 		50/80/120/180/240/360/480 (MLC) PCIe
Solid[1][44] SF-2200 60/120 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Synapse Cache[1][45] SF-2281 64/128 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Vertex 2[1][46] SF-1200 40/50/100/200/400 (MLC)
Extended 60/90/120/180/240/480 (MLC)
Vertex 2 Pro[1][47] SF-1500 50/100/200/400 (MLC)
Vertex 2 EX[1][48] SF-1500 50/100/200 (SLC)
Vertex 3[1][49] SF-2200 120/240/480 (MLC)
Vertex 3 Max IOPS[1][49] SF-2200 120/240 (MLC)
Z-Drive R4 C-Series[50] SF-2281
(x4 or x8) 		300/600/800/1200/1600/3200 (MLC)
Z-Drive R4 R-Series[51] SF-2582
(x4 or x8) 		300/600/800/1200/1600/3200 (MLC)
OWC Mercury Accelsior PCIe[52][53] SF-2281 (x2) 120/240/480/960 (MLC) PCIe
Mercury Aura Pro Express 6G[54] SF-2281 240/480 (MLC) MacBook Air (Gumstick) SATA
Mercury Electra 6G[1][55] SF-2281 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Mercury Extreme Pro[1][56] SF-1200 40/60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Mercury Extreme Pro RE[1][57] SF-1200 50/100/200/400 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Mercury Extreme Pro 6G[1][58] SF-2000 120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Mercury Legacy Pro[1][59] SF-1200 40/60/120/240 (MLC)
Patriot Memory Inferno[1][60] SF-1200 60/100/120/200/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Pyro[1][61] SF-2200 60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Pyro SE[1][62] SF-2200 60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Wildfire[1][63] SF-2200 120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
PhotoFast PowerDrive PCI Express[64] SF-1200 240/480/960 (MLC) PCIe
PNY Prevail Elite[1][65] SF-2200 120/240/480(eMLC) 2.5" SATA
Prevail[1][65] SF-2200 120/240/480(MLC) 2.5" SATA
XLR8[1][66] SF-2281 120/240/480(MLC) 2.5" SATA
Pretech P4000[1][67] TBA 32/64/128/256
Princeton Technology Lynx2 1.8"[1][68] SF-2000 25 - 480 (MLC) 1.8" SATA
Lynx2 2.5"[1][69] SF-2000 25 - 512 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
RunCore Pro V[1][70] SF-2000 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Pro V T50[1][71] SF-2000 30/60/120 (MLC) mSATA (MO-300)
SanDisk Ultra[72][73] SF-1200 120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Extreme[74][75] SF-2281 120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Silicon Power Velox series V20[1][76] SF-1000 40/60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Velox series V30[1][77] SF-2281 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Velox series V60[1][78] SF-2281 60/120/240/480 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
SMART Modular XceedIOPS (1.8")[1][79] SF-1500 50/100/200 (eMLC) 1.8" SATA
XceedIOPS (2.5")[1][79] SF-1500 50/100/200/400 (eMLC) 2.5" SATA
Solidata K8 Series (2.5")[1][80] SF-1200 60/120/240 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
SS Series (2.5")[1][80] SF-1500 50/100/200 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
SC Series (2.5")[1][80] SF-1200 60 (SLC) 2.5" SATA
SC-P Series (2.5")[1][80] SF-1500 50/100 (SLC) 2.5" SATA
SM8 (SATA Mini PCI-e)[1][81] SF-1200 25/60/120/240 (MLC) Mini PCIe
N8 (1.8" Micro SATA)[1][82] SF-1200 25/60/120/240 (MLC) 1.8" SATA
Soligen Corp. Spartan[1][83] SF-1200 64 (SLC)
128/256 (MLC) 		2.5" SATA
Elite Enterprise[1][84] SF-1500 64/128/256 (MLC) 2.5" SATA
Flashbridge[1][85] SF-1200 128/256 (MLC) Custom SATA
Flashbridge Enterprise[1][86] SF-1500 64/128 (SLC)
128/256 (MLC) 		Custom SATA
Super Talent Technology FT2 (2.5")[1][87] SF-1500 50/100/200/400 (MLC/SLC) 2.5" SATA
FT (2.5")[1][87] SF-1200 50/100/200/400 (MLC/SLC) 2.5" SATA
CT (2.5")[1][87] SF-1200 60/120/240/480 (MLC/SLC) 2.5" SATA
Team Group Inc. Xtreem-S1[1][88] SF-1200 60/120/240 (MLC)
Unigen Corp. Orion 1200 (2.5")[1][89] SF-1200 25/50 (SLC)
100/120/200/240/400/480 (MLC) 		2.5" SATA
Orion 1500 (2.5")[1][89] SF-1500 100/200 (SLC)
100/200/400 (MLC)
100/200/400 (eMLC) 		2.5" SATA
Orion 1500 SAS (2.5")[1][90] SF-1500 50/100/200 (SLC)
50/100/200/400 (MLC)
50/100/200/400 (eMLC) 		2.5" SATA
Orion 297 (MO-297)[1][89] TBD 25/50 (SLC)
30/60/120 (MLC) 		MO-297 SATA
Viking Modular Solutions SATADIMM[1][91] SF-1200
SF-1500 		25 to 200 (SLC)
50 to 400 (MLC/eMLC)
Element 2.5” SATA SSD[1] TBD 25/50/100/200 (SLC)
50/100/200/400 (MLC/eMLC)
Element 2.5” SAS SSD[1] TBD 50/100/200 (SLC)
100/200/400 (eMLC)
Element Slim SATA SSD (MO-297)[1] TBD 25/60 (SLC)
25/60/120 (MLC/eMLC)
Embedded SATA Cube3[1] TBD 4 - 256

!===Systems=== In December 2010, SandForce announced the expansion of the SandForce Driven program to include system manufacturers naming Eurocom as the first member in that category. The system manufacturer offers configurations that include SSDs which include SandForce controllers.[92]

Company Products
ASUS Zenbook UX21E[93]
Eurocom (many)[94]

!==SandForce Trusted==

After the success of the SandForce Driven program, SandForce created the SandForce Trusted program in January 2011, which identifies approved vendors that provide equipment, tools, and services compatible with SandForce SSD Processors. It is a form of Approved Vendor List that helps SSD OEMs and manufacturers get a higher level of service and support from the companies on the SandForce Trusted list. Each member company ensures that their products and/or services fully support SandForce SSD Processors and provides response to SandForce customer inquiries within 24 hours. SandForce created a new SandForce Trusted logo which member companies use in their advertising and promotional materials.[95]

Company
Calypso Systems[96]
DriveSavers[96][97]
Granite River Labs[96][98]
LeCroy[96]
OakGate Technology[96]
Serial Cables[96]
SerialTek[96][99]
ULINK Technology[96]

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Sandforce AES encryption[edit]

Hello, Please somebody edit encryption section in article: " It is linked to the BIOS password and encrypts the user data at the full speed of the data as it passes through the controller." This information is wrong, SandForce do not use bios password, instead ssd controller uses standard ATA user and master hdd passwords specified in bios (or by utils like HDPARM/HDAT2).

"An optional disk-level password can be required prior to system boot adding an extra level of data security assurance for business travelers carrying confidential information." from http://www.sandforce.com/userfiles/file/downloads/product_briefs/LSI_SandForce_2200Client_PB_120618.pdf

Intel SSD 520 based on sandforce: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/ssd-520-aes-tech-brief.html

http://communities.intel.com/message/120689#120689 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.177.109.226 (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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