Talk:Sam Allardyce

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Contribution by AlexWilkes[edit]

I've just noticed that Alex has done his everything must have a header about it act on here so I've reverted it back to it's original format. (Pally01 20:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Allegations[edit]

I have removed the line "yet he has so far failed to do so" from the section concerning the Panorama expose/ Stevens Report as we have no evidence to suggest that legal action is impending or has been rejected by Allardyce. Until anyone is charged on these matters (which seems unlikely) I propose that it's probably best to stay as neutral as possible and take a NPOV. The globetrotter 00:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Early Life and Career[edit]

"He joined Bolton Wanderers as a centre-half in 1973 and is best remembered as a player for being part of the side which won the Second Division title in 1977-78 to secure promotion to the First Division. This is currently the only honour he has won as either a player or manager." There seems to be other statements which contradict this: His promotions with Limerick and Notts County —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.30.109 (talk) 13:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Early life, his accent[edit]

He, unlike other footballers, does not have a thick accent. What is his accent from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radio Guy (talk • contribs) 03:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IMO his accent is Black Country (he was born in Dudley) mixed with a Lancashire/north-west accent (he has spent a lot of time working in northern England). Not sure it's relevant to the article though.--Jameboy (talk) 16:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I find it more tough to understand his blame-games. He does not seem to see the difference between Margaret Thatcher or the BBC. My mistake, the difference is this: BBC are there to be sued, has it happened yet? --83.108.31.7 (talk) 14:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Allardyce's "football style"[edit]

Some editors believe that the text should reflect as fact, rather than opinion, that Allardyce's teams, such as West Ham of late, emphasize defensive tactics and are playing "long ball football. That would be, however, a blatant violation of the rules committing editors to neutrality and objectivity. We are not here to claim opinions as facts. A playing style is rarely, if ever, agreed upon universally; it's a matter of opinion, however widely held. This is precisely why Wiki rules mandate the use of expressions such as "According to critics"; "Some claim"; etc. We must be particularly careful here because the article is about a living person. -The Gnome (talk) 10:22, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An example of one-sided wording: "Despite his promise to West Ham fans to play attractive football on returning to the Premier League he reverted to long ball football which combined with his defensive tactics brought criticism from fans, the media and other managers." This kind of wording presents as an objective fact that Allardyce's team plays that way. Therefore, Wikipedia users are meant to merely read the reaction to this fact. -The Gnome (talk) 10:25, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The opposite is in fact true. I have tried to present both sides with reliable references thus I am not asking the reader to decide, merely providing verifiable and reliable sources. He said he would play attractive football (referenced), he reverted to long ball and defensive tactics (referenced), he has come under criticism of his style from fans (referenced), the media (referenced) and people within the game (referenced). "Some football pundits" is weaselly in itself. Who for example? Adding referenced quotes can only help the reader understand, however recent. By the way if you have any references which show he is playing an expansive and attack-minded style of play, please add them for objectivity and balance.--Egghead06 (talk) 00:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You have not, actually, presented "both sides" but only the side that's supporting the contention you make about Allardyce's playing style. This is blatant personal opinion. We are not here to judge or claim anything; we can only reference what reliable sources are saying. There is no objective assessment about football styles; only opinions. Yet, you present one side as a fact. We can present opinions, if we must, but only through explicitly qualifying them as such! Which is why an expression such as "some [pundits]" is necessary. You may check similar articles, particularly when a living person is concerned, to verify the practice.
One last, important word: In order to demonstrate that you present something in a wrong manner, one is not obliged to offer an opposite view. Kindly bear this in mind, because you seem to operate under the assumption that "if no one can claim the opposite of A, then A is true." That's neither logical nor Wikipedian! Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 10:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to miss a most salient point. That is that what I have provided is referenced by reliable sources. It is not as you put it, my opinion. It is provided from verifiable and reliable media providers. You can clearly read the reference provided saying Allardyce has played long ball football. That is there for any reader to see from a reliable source. Ditto his promise to fans, his defensive tactics, his criticism from media and managers - All referenced so clearly not "my opinion". I also do not say you must provide an alternative view so I operate under no such assumption. I merely ask that if you know of them, please provide them.
Please do not ignore the inclusion of verifying references. You say " we can only reference what reliable sources are saying" - and I have.--Egghead06 (talk) 18:06, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The current state of the text is satisfactory (i.e. "Some pundits claim" etc). The focus on neutrality works both ways: I replaced "Allardyce refuted" with "Allardyce disputed". The latter means "he claimed"; the former means "he proved wrong". Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I will be reviewing this as part of a GAN sweep. I'll leave some comments soon. JAGUAR  21:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Excellent work with this article. It meets the criteria as it is well written and comprehensive. I could find no issues with it. JAGUAR  17:03, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2016[edit]

Please edit to include latest news regarding third party ownership of players and his "400k" planned brokerage deal. Jollyjoe321 (talk) 11:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Now done. Sussexpeople (talk) 17:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

England tenure[edit]

How long was that? Is his tenure as England manager the shortest in history? Govvy (talk)

One game! It is a record that will probably never be broken. He makes Steve McClaren's and Kevin Keegan's reigns look like Alex Ferguson's and Arsene Wenger's.--EchetusXe 19:54, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There have been caretaker managers in charge for one game, such as Peter Taylor and Stuart Pearce. But Allardyce is (of course) the shortest full-time manager - one game, 67 days. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a forum. The fact that Allardyce openly looks devious is not up for discussion. Jilljack1952 (talk) 15:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
?? No one said he looks devious! I was inquiring for facts to maybe add it to the article, I think you have miss-read the discussion. Govvy (talk) 15:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No one said he looks devious? Pity Wythy (talk) 15:20, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Social Medias[edit]

Sam Allardyce recently joined the world of Instagram. His first time being on the site. His username is: Samuel_allardyce22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiworker44 (talk • contribs) 10:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Allardyce - "Survival Specialist"[edit]

Perhaps I missed it in the article but I've not seen mention of his often-referenced ability to save teams from relegation. I'm not able to contribute to the article at the moment but it is extensively discussed in the media, e.g.

Osario (talk) 14:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add it to his managerial style section.--EchetusXe 17:46, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2021[edit]

Allerdyce confirmed that he is leaving west brom at the end of the season. The "-" can be removed after the "2020" under "Teams Managed" 178.23.129.36 (talk) 12:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 12:17, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2023[edit]

Remove 'on' before 'FA' in following sentence in last section:

"...allegedly offering to give advice on how to get around on FA rules on player third party ownership..." Darraghooi (talk) 00:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Pinchme123 (talk) 01:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2023[edit]

per new style

English national team = England national team 2603:8000:D300:3650:88E1:C9B7:7135:AA58 (talk) 02:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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