Talk:Salad/Archive 1

Archive 1

Greek salad deletion dispute

It is being proposed at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion that Greek salad should be deleted. I have suggested that it should be kept at the moment because Greek salad ought be treated in a consistant manner to Chicken salad, Egg salad,Fruit salad,Pasta salad, Potato salad, Somen salad,Tabouli,Waldorf salad and Watergate salad. There are historical developents, related events, cultural influences, variataions and interpretations and fictional references to many of these salads however many of these specific salad types have very short articles, the content of which I reackon could be merged into the salad page, without it becomming too long. Richard Taylor 01:10, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think the original problem with the Greek salad article was that it was a recipe (see older versions). Since then, it has been modified into a legitimate (but stubby) article. I think this was supported by the votes on VfD. So, I don't think there is currently any need to merge. ike9898 13:29, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

All the articles on different salads need working on to justify keeping them as separate articles Chef salad, for example is also up for deletion - as it too is a recipe. Richard Taylor 17:49, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't know if it's appropriate for an encyclopedia, but leftover runner beans are great the next day cold in salad with tomatoes & vinaigrette. :-) -- Tarquin

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Could we sort out this salmonella thing? AFAIK, once cooked, eggs are fine. At least this is what was said during the salmonella scare in the UK -- Tarquin 10:08, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Salads, especially when left out in the sun, as at long picnics, can definitely grow bacteria and cause food poisoning. It's often Staph aureus rather than salmonella if it doesn't >>come from<< the mayonnaise, but it still >>grows in<< the mayonnaise. -- Someone else 10:11, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Oh I see. Is salad seen a specifically a picnic food in the US? It isn't over in Europe. -- Tarquin 10:16, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Well, it's more like "potato salad" and "macaroni salad" that are seen so, but the basic mayonnaise principle applies<G>. It's one of the "usual suspects" that are rounded up when food poisoning occurs... like rice for Bacillus cereus and such. -- Someone else 10:19, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

For completeness sake, I probably should also point out that the more "usual" salads are often put out in "salad bars" where people sneeze and drool on them... -- Someone else 10:30, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I think this is another US-POV problem -- salad itself isn't the problem; it's the way it is served & perceived in the USA, and we should change the article accordingly. I make salad at home ;) -- Tarquin 11:35, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I wouldn't blame it on nationality. If it's a problem, it's my "things that cause disease" problem, not my "US" problem. I think we probably don't need any mention of disease in a salad article. -- Someone else 12:33, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Salad - that is to say the things like fresh tomatoes, lettuce, celery, cucumber etc are only likely to be cause food posioning if they have been washed or grown in contaminated water, or if they have been handled badly or sneezed on. In the greter scheme of things these salads are less likely culprits in any food poisoning outbreak. The real risk is from other bits that are added to salad. High risk additions are: mayonnaise, egg / dairy, meat and rice. David Thrale 13:58, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Quote?

Is it appropriate for an encyclopedia article to begin with a quote? It seems like something out of a magazine. - Vague | Rant 04:04, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

Agree... with a heavy heart. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:06, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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"A salad is a food item generally served either prior to or after the main dish as a separate course, as a main course in itself, or as a side dish" - glad we cleared that up

LOL! - Ta bu shi da yu 08:06, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

'Salade'

Umn, I think this just actually means lettuce, but I'm not sure enough to change it. Perhaps a french scholar (or someone with more than my 10 year old standard grade could check this?

i dont know much french but u r right. why wont someone fix it? its kinda annoying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.65.29.247 (talk) 03:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No, French for lettuce is 'laitue'. 'Salade' really does mean salad. --VinceBowdren (talk) 09:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Rapunzel

Surely Rapunzel's mother was yearning for radishes? But then, I've never heard 'rapunzel' used as a name for corn salad, or whatever random plant it is this links to.

I found this

The German word "Rapunzel" is defined variously as "field salad," "corn salad," or "lamb's lettuce."

at [[1]]

Not sure what shall be the "lamb's lettuce."--Romaine 22:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Broad dressing

"Common salad dressings in the United States tend to be very broad". Maybe someone with a knowledge of US cuisine can rearrange this sentence? I haven;t a clue what it means. Does it mean there is a wide variety of dressings in use there? Palmiro | Talk 23:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

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A wide variety of salad dressings are used. I am from Canada but salad dressing is very similar here as it is in the USA. Commonly used dressings range from vinaigrettes to creamy ones. Perhaps the sentence could be changed to "There are a number of different commonly used salad dressings in the North America: either homemade or commercially bottled; they are simple or complex vinaigrettes, creamy or mayonnaise versions." EJ Minston 12:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Cultural Consequences of Salad

You don't make friends with salad.

gourmet ingredients???

I think the part about burnet and sorrel being gourmet today must be a US thing. They both grow wild in britain, and are often cultivated in gardens.

big mistake!

the word is lettuce in french not salt!

Green salad: vegetables vs. ingredients

I reverted change to "ingredients" from vegetables because:

• First instance of "vegetable"/first sentence in section: A green salad is indeed most often "composed of a mixture of vegetables", and quite often nothing else, although there is nothing in the following text that precludes non-vegetable
• Second instance of "vegetable"/second sentence in section: That list is indeed nothing but vegetables, so it makes no sense to change the word to something more inclusive.
• Third sentence in section: Now we come to the list of other "food items". If you prefer the word ingredient it could logically replace the current word "food item". I went ahead and made that substitution. --SFDan 07:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Tossed salad

There is a disambiguation page [[2]] referring to this one, though it contains no information about the beforementioned topic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.65.19.208 (talk) 15:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Trying to be generally applicable

My edits yesterday were mainly intended to make the definition and description of a green salad or garden salad more generally true. I am not familiar with the term "lime salad", which was formerly used in the article and a more recent editor deleted it, which seems fine to me. However, at the same time he/she made the article less general in its descriptions (e.g. definiing only olive oil as a dressing, so as to exclude other common salad oils). Therefore, I have reverted those changes today. --Zeamays 19:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Weird salads

Some mention needs to be made of these weird creamy salads that American housewives love to concoct, which mix sweet and savory ingredients at random, in a thick mayonnaise/marshmallow sauce... Does anyone actually like stuff like grapes n' tuna? Apples n' cheese? Walnuts and chicken? To many peoples' palate, these are conflicting ingredients.. and whenever you go to reach for some, you aren't sure what it's going to taste like, since it all looks like creamy white mystery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Salad (band)

I added a disambiguation link to the top of the page. I hope everyone is OK with this. SWik78 (talk) 14:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

"... put together in a manner known as vegtabling".

Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here: who, exactly, knows it as "vegtabling"? Nobody on Google, except those who did a straight lift from this page. If this is a simple typo, I'm surprised no one noticed it for so long, and if it's being presented as an actual word, then it may need to be ref'd, because, claims to the contrary, nobody knows it. Dosflores (talk) 05:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)DF

What are the names for the tools one uses to toss salad?

I belive there are names for them and I came to wikipedia to find them - but so faar as I see they are not here! I realise it is best done with hands - but once dressed one customarily has a thing and thinger at the table to finish the dressing - there must be a name for them! And please no one suggest "spork"! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainframeguy (talk • contribs) 04:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The word salad comes from the 2 greek words: 'eis' + 'alas' = 'in' + 'salt'

It passed then in Latin, French etc... Pierros14 (talk) 15:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool Whip?

okay. i have to say salads are great. i love sweet and salty tastes mixed together. fruit salad, green salad, chicken salad...all good. but cool whip? as a base? cool whip isnt even real food! whipped cream yes. cool whip? ugh! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.205.241 (talk) 13:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Salads in general

I might be wrong, but I think you'll find that salads made with 'jello' and 'cool-whip' are an unusual variation, mostly common in america (and uncommon in the rest of the world). A change to the article lead is quite major so you should have a citation. --VinceBowdren (talk) 01:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

There are several articles on jello and cool whip related salads. This article needs to be expanded. Noodle salads should also be included more. No need to remove regional salads. Coverage should be expanded. If there are other types of salads not included please add them. Jello salads are not extraordinary and are quite common. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

That is not the way salad is normally prepared. Your description is way too US-centric, and is a classic example of the systemic bias problem (see WP:WORLDVIEW). Any further attempts to shove your original research into the article will be considered disruptive. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Coverage should not be expanded in the lead. There is plenty of space in the rest of the article for discussion of unusual salads such as those made with jello or cool whip, but the lead should be a short summary of what a salad is - definitely note a list of international variations. --VinceBowdren (talk) 17:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

The article already includes content on pasta salads, jello salads, noodle salads (from Asia), and salads made from cool whip. An intro that focuses only on green salads (which are a western custom) is ethnocentric. Let's try to maintain a neutral point of view and include different cultures. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

health value

24.184.200.190 (talk) perhaps we should discuss the health value of salad, and how it fits on the food pyramid —Preceding undated comment added 20:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC).

"Most humans avoided eating raw vegetables" for centuries?

While the recent addition to the article does have references, they contradict each other and don't seem very well-researched themselves. For example a scholarly upper-class 1699 Briton might consider salad novel, but that doesn't mean that most humans (or even most humans, or most Britons of the time) agreed with that. Frankly it sounds like a bizarre minority upper-class fashion of the time - and the cited sources don't support the claim that this was universal across the world. --VinceBowdren (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC) I totally agree with VinceBowdren. The claim is clearly nonsense. The fact that it has been grafted onto the end of a sentence in a clumsy and ungrammatical manner doesn't help either. Melaena (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Royalty

"Royalty dabbled in salads: King Henry IV of England enjoyed a salad with new potatoes, sardines, and herb dressing, and Mary Queen of Scots ate boiled celery root over salad covered with creamy mustard dressing, truffles, chervil, and slices of hard-boiled eggs. "

Henry IV died in 1413, eighty years before Columbus sailed to America, so he couldn't possibly have eaten potatoes. I've deleted this whole sentence as unreliable. Rojomoke (talk) 20:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Add more salad types

Add more salad types. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.43.139 (talk) 06:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

First paragraph

The article currently starts: "Salad is any of a wide variety of dishes, including vegetable salads; salads of pasta, legumes, eggs, or grains; mixed salads incorporating meat, poultry, or seafood; and fruit salads. They may include a mixture of cold and hot, often including raw vegetables or fruits."

I realize that "salad" is a very broad term that tends to defy attempts to define it. In fact, it may be entirely idiomatic and have no precise definition at all, other than referring to food. In any case, I find this paragraph a bit too busy. It immediately fills the reader's head with a lot of different kinds of foods, essentially saying, "Salad can be just about anything."

For such a broad topic, I would prefer that the article start more simply, perhaps something like: "Salad is a broad term applied to a wide variety of dishes. It has no precise definition and can refer to dishes containing many kinds of ingredients." Then it can go on to give examples.

Personally, I would say that all salads have at least one of two characteristics: Either some of the ingredients are cut up; or there is some kind of sauce, dressing, or other liquid; or both. I am not suggesting that the article say this, since it already is implied by the use of the word "dishes." I would just like for the first paragraph to make a more general statement, because it seems a bit abrupt. Richard K. Carson (talk) 02:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree. One useful way to do this is to define 'salad' as a radial category (cf. Prototype theory), starting with the most central elements and discussing how less central ones are related to it, e.g.

Salads are a category of foods whose prototype is raw vegetables served with a sauce or dressing including oil and an acid as a light savory dish. Salads also include a variety of related dishes, including ones with cold cooked vegetables, including grains and pasta; ones which add cold meat or seafood; sweet dishes made of cut-up fruit; and even warm dishes. Though the prototypical salad is light, a dinner salad can constitute a complete meal. etc.

What do you think? --Macrakis (talk) 03:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I think what you wrote is an improvement. It seems more thought out and builds upon the topic more gradually. Richard K. Carson (talk) 06:52, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I actually came to this talk page about this subject. I came to wikipedia to learn what salad is, and upon reading this article, I feel I have learnt absolutely nothing. it is so vague and inconclusive essentially saying "nobody knows what salad is". I suspect there is a definition of salad to be presented and the paragraph presented above is good. why is it not implemented? it's been half a year. well I will implement that paragraph into the main article. if there is any huge objection, perhaps it will bring more attention to this issue instead of it stagnating. Drag-5 (talk) 15:41, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

picture's title wrong

The second picture (the one on the side of the "etymology" section, link http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Crab_Louie_Salad.jpg/250px-Crab_Louie_Salad.jpg) has text under it, stating that there is "A Crab Louie with peppers on the side" on the picture. I do not see any peppers on the picture, so perhaps the text needs to be changed to be more appropriate. 94.64.16.16 (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Salad sans dressing

I love salads but my body is allergic to most oils; ergo, I use no dressing or sometimes lemon juice or vinegar. Dressing should not be used in the definition of salad, or maybe a side note in the definition of salad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.216.113 (talk) 22:18, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Lists

We link to a List of salads and also include a long list of bluelinked salads. Highly unusual.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:46, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Tossing The Salad

For some reason, I get the notion that when one speaks of tossing another's salad, they probably don't mean "...a bed of green leafy vegetables"... Hence, we should probably have a Salad(disambiguation) page.... 108.201.29.108 (talk) 05:30, 17 October 2017 (UTC)edit

Cereal

The current definition of salad seems a little loose as it is in full agreement that a dry bowl of cereal is a salad. Should we try and tighten the definition, or include cereal on the page as a listed salad? 129.161.146.129 (talk) 20:53, 15 February 2018 (UTC)