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Benjamin de Menil IASO Records www.iasorecords.com

The information here is incorrect. The anthony santos is not the same one as the main singer or the group "aventura"

Anthony Santos

I am making a page for Anthony Santos of Aventura. I will add information for him on this page and add a link on this page for Antony Santos.--BaRiMzI 18:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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Anthony Romeo Santos of Aventura is not a Puertorican singer, he is a Dominican singer, He is a star singer of the Dominican group Aventura, this group was formed by dominicans , and support by dominicans , never Anthony Romeo has belonged to a Puetorican group. He became famous with the group Aventura dominicano , and he is dominican to —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.206.174 (talk) 03:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Nationality

OK, Minie01: what's wrong with this article? SamEV (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

hello SamEv, you ask me what the wrong with the article of Anthony Santos of Aventura, I start explaining, that for long time i asking to add some dominican categories to anthony Santos , the singer star and composer of the dominican group Aventura. Since early years of the career of this Artist, he identify himself, and his proud with the roots and culture of Dominican Rep, adding that his father is dominican , but, when I tried to add some dominican categories I could not do it, because some say that he was born at USA, however, With all respect , I think it is possible, because I saw right here some people that was born at USA, and they have some Puerto Rican categories , why I can not add some dominican categories to Anthony Santos of Aventura if he together with the Aventura group represent the Dominican Republic in the whole world, I waiting only for permission to add this categories to this artist, please , allow me to due, now , I going to bring some probes, that some artists have some puerto Rican categories and they was not born over there, I be back Rght here is the probe that I am seing, Marc Anthony was not born in Puerto Rico , however , he has some puerto Rican categories

Here the probe

1-Puerto rican-american singer 2-Puerto Rican Pop singer

Zoe Saldana, this artist was born at New Jersy, USA, according to the offcial wedsite, her parents are dominicans , but , this no my point in discussion, This artist was not born in Puerto Rico , However , she has some Puerto Rican categories , The probe

1-American of Dominican Republic descent 2-Puerto Rican-Americans 3-Puerto Rican Films actors 4-Puerto Rican stage actors 5-Puerto Rican television

Can somebody explain me that? this artist was born in USA, and her official page she says her parents are dominicans , and she has 5 puerto Rican categories, I do not understand Why I can not add some categories to Anthony Of Aventura , if some artists have categories of a contries that were not born , I waitin for for permission yet, Anthony Santo is merely for dominican categories, please, I think , for today is enogh, I will be back today in the afternoon, bye , adios

Minie01 (talk) 05:18, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Minie!

I see no reason why Santos wouldn't be proud of his Dominican ancestry and heritage: he's a Dominican American; he's one half Dominican. And he's big in the D.R., where he's been embraced warmly. None of that's unusual for people from diasporic groups.

However, you say that he's a national or citizen of the Dominican Republic. I've never come across any evidence of that, so I'm very skeptical. Do you have reliable sources that back you up?

I think it would be best if we stuck to discussing this article. But just let me point out that Puerto Rico is a different matter from other countries. Puerto Rico is actually part of the United States in many respects, and at Wikipedia it may be the position of many editors that the term "Puerto Rican" includes everyone, wherever they're born, because Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, wherever they're born. I suggest you go to Talk:Mark Anthony and Talk:Zoe Saldana and inquire about those categories. It's always possible that something you saw in an article is actually incorrect; after all, that's what you're saying this article is: incorrect.

Please remember that this article is only about Anthony Santos and no one else. So as I said: do you have reliable sources that state that Santos is a national or citizen of the Dominican Republic? SamEV (talk) 07:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

hello samEv, do not play with me my friend, never I said that Anthony Romeo of Aventure was born at Dominican Republic, do not confused the point, that I am discussing right here, I stated very clear, That if some artists that were not born in pueto Rico , somebody could add some puerto Rican categories to them , why can I not add some dominican categories to anthony Romeo of aventura, if he is the leader singer and composer of the dominican group Aventura , and he is a half dominican too, and he feels proud of his dominican roots, and he identify as dominican in everywhere, In reference to the point that the puerto Rican artists is the same to UU EE artists , it is not the true my fried, UU EE has his artists very separate of Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico has his own list of famous, I have this point very clear, and going to bring a probe right, I be back in one moment I going to put some evidences that the Puerto Rican Famous are separated of the USA Famous, that it is not the same, Here the categories of the Puerto Rican singer

Ricky Martin

I read very clear that all categories of this artist are Puerto rican no American, because he was born in Puerto Rico in un momento I bring another example about this point

Jennifer lopez categories

you can see very clear that artist Jennifer Lopez has some puerto Rican categories, and she was not born in puerto Rico , and this my point, why i can not add some categories to anthony Santos of Aventura, if is known in everywhere as the dominican singer and composer , and I start to bring probe of this, that all media recognize him as a dominican artist, incluring the anglo media, I have a lot reports and articles to probe that , in Ingles And Spanish, and you know that SamEV I want to masy clear some thing right here, my point is no the nacionality of Anthony Romeo , my point is why some people were not born to a country some people have permission to add some categories of that country , and why I do not have the permission to add some dominican Categories to Anthony Santos of Aventura , this is my point for now, tomorrow I bring more example about , now I say good night, bye

Minie01 (talk) 02:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Minie, in your first sentence you hurl an accusation at me, saying I'm 'playing with you'. I'd like you to demonstrate that it is justified. I'd appreciate if you answered this one question for me: where did I say that you said that Santos was born in the Dominican Republic? I'll address the rest of your comments after I receive a reply to that question. I've learned well from our discussions on your talk page the importance of keeping any discussion with you as narrowly focused as possible, amiguita. SamEV (talk) 03:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC); 05:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Hola SamEv, how are you? I am so sorry , because I did not come for 2 days, I had vacation for un week, And now I going to the the movie with my friends, on monday I come back to continue our dicussion bye ,buenas noches 68.199.206.174 (talk) 01:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Hola SamEV, You know something amigo, last night I wrote a very important paragraf to you , but this writing desapared, I am very disagee with this , I save , I saw that , the next time when I write something right here , I will save in my favorite,now I try to remember that I wrote last night

Oh , I tried to explain to you about your last writing on February 17 2010, in this paragraph you say that I stated , that Anthony Santos of Aventura is a national or citizen of the Dominican Republic , I never said that, was all the contrary , when I came to wikipedia to add some dominican categories to Anthony Santos, you asked me for some probes about Anthony Santos nacionality , and I told you that that it is a dificult peticion , how I go to anthony, and i ask him, hello romeo , Are you citizen or national of the Dominican Republic? first, it is very dificult to see or contact a famous artist, second, this is part of his private life, and the nationality is not my point, you know SamEV what is my point, I asked you an explaination about why some artists have some puerto Rican categories and were not born in Puerto Rico, for example , Zoe Saldana , this artist was born in USA, and her official page she say that her parents are dominicans, however, she has some Puerto Rican categories , The salsero Marc Anthony was born in USA, however , he has some Puerto Rican categories ,another one is Jennifer Lopez , she was born in USA, and she also has some puerto Rican categories, this is my point , why if these artists can have Puerto Rican categories , and they were not born in Puerto, why I can not add some dominican categories to Anthony Romeo of Aventura?, ah , one important thing SamEV, don't tell me that USA and Puerto Rico, share the same culture, folklore, roots, music, and heritage, because it is not the true, Puerto Rican and USA always keep this things separate, each one has his own things, if I am talking to you about this , is because I have information about this, If you want probe , I bring it Now I going to put your writing of February 17 2010, where yo say , that I stated that anthony Romeo of Aventura is a national or citizen of the Dominican Republic, you wrote that , and later you say that you did not write this , and you did it,

here probe of your writing

:Hello, Minie!

I see no reason why Santos wouldn't be proud of his Dominican ancestry and heritage: he's a Dominican American; he's one half Dominican. And he's big in the D.R., where he's been embraced warmly. None of that's unusual for people from diasporic groups.

However, you say that he's a national or citizen of the Dominican Republic. I've never come across any evidence of that, so I'm very skeptical. Do you have reliable sources that back you up?

you see SamEV you wrote that, for that reason I told you don't play with me

Anothr point is , that I talked to you about nacionality, only to tell you about a low that Dominican REpublic passed in 1996, this low stated that all dominican born out of dominican territory, that has one parent, one mother o one father or both parents dominican , this person continue being dominican, this is the doble nacionality, this mean that if one person born in USA but he has one parent, or both parents dominican , this person keeps both nacionalities, Dominican and American, , I have the probe and explaination of this low in My Tolk, if somebody want references or probe of this low , I can bring probe, , for today I think it is enogh, , tomorrow , I will be here again , but I hope we find solution to this matter very soon, good night, bye Minie01 (talk) 05:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

"Oh , I tried to explain to you about your last writing on February 17 2010, in this paragraph you say that I stated , that Anthony Santos of Aventura is a national or citizen of the Dominican Republic , I never said that, was all the contrary"

Very well, then. If he's not a citizen nor national, nor even a resident of the Dominican Republic, then you cannot put him in a Dominican category by any Wikipedia rule or convention of which I'm aware.

As far as I know, "Puerto Rican" means "from Puerto Rico" and also means "of Puerto Rican descent". I must have explained that to you 10,234 times on your talk page.

As for the D.R. dual nationality law, I explained it to you, also. What the law states is that they're eligible for dual nationality. There's no hint that they're automatic dual nationals. I even quoted from a statement that President Fernández made concerning Alex Rodriguez's status (for the World Baseball Classic) in that regard, and the source is still there, on your talk page. So again I ask you to supply proof that Anthony Santos has availed himself of that law to obtain Dominican citizenship.

Above you talk about the separate lists of famous people. Puerto Rico has an interesting status. It is part-US state, part independent country. For those reasons, Puerto Rico is not comparable to a fully sovereign state like the D.R. However, have you seen Category:People from California and List of people from California? How about Category:People from Michigan and List of people from Michigan? SamEV (talk) 17:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

SamEV, dooes not care Puerto Rico belong to USa , only as State libre associated, USA all the time mentionet only the 50 states of the American Union, and about music , culture , traditions , and folklor, USA is completely separated of Puerto Rico, one example is , The Puerto Rican parade, why this parade is no celebrate together with the anglo community? simple , because Puertp Rico keeps the tradicion , music and culture separate of USA

Here I am going to leave a litle article about Puerto Rican in New York I be back right now

jueves 7 de enero de 2010 Boricuas en los Estados Unidos, 2007. (un resúmen estadístico)

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SamEV only a litle article , but , very interesting , in this article you can see very clear that the Puerto Rican people define themselves as hispanish of puerto rican origen, no american, tomorrow I am going to show you , the American artists list, any Spanish in this list, ,

Now i reply to you about doble nacionality as low in Dominican Republic, my friend , i am tired to explain to you that dominicans born out of dominican territory , but with a mother o father or both parents dominicans , they are eligible for the doble nacionality, i don't know whst you taking about?, everybody that have dominican parents , only one parent father mother, automaticly , they are eligible , now I going to bring up the probe from Talk Page, I be back good night , we continue tomorrow Minie01 (talk) 04:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Parade? You mean you've never heard of the Saint Patrick's Day parade, held by Irish Americans? Go to this article for an introduction, then search the internet if you want to learn more about it: Saint Patrick's Day#Parades. Don't you live in New York? You should know about it.

"USA is completely separated of Puerto Rico"

That makes no sense! How can Puerto Ricans be citizens of the United States and yet Puerto Rico be "completely separated" from the US?

The fact that you think you've found ways in which Puerto Rico isn't part of the US is doesn't falsify my statement: you're just agreeing with me, Minie. That's what I said above. Nor does the fact that Puerto Rico has its own culture: all the ethnic groups of the US have their own subculture within the larger national culture. It's true of the aforementioned Irish and Italian Americans, and it's true of Mexican Americans, and of Syrian Americans, and of Norwegian Americans, etc, etc, etc. Each group has its own traditions.

Minie, the material you quoted refers to the American Community Survey (ACS). The ACS presents its data in several ways. For statistical purposes it usually presents the data for the fifty states as their own data set, and data for Puerto Rico its own data set. But all the data is provided by the same American agency: the US Census Bureau. Check it out: [1]

As I said, that's done for statistical purposes and in no way signifies that Puerto Ricans are not Americans. And where do you get the idea that "Hispanic" is mutually exclusive with "American", for chrissakes?! I suggest Hispanic and Latino Americans for you. (Your innocent views do mesh well with those of a certain nativist organization known by three identical letters, though...) The fact that Puerto Ricans define themselves as Hispanic in no way signifies that they don't view themselves as Americans. To be sure, some Puerto Ricans don't; they seek the island's independence. But they're a small minority. I suggest you drop by the Puerto Rico article for an introduction to the issue of Puerto Rico's political status. Have fun! :)

Do bring proof concerning the alleged automaticness of Dominican double nationality. I can't wait. SamEV (talk) 01:40, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Hola samEV, i have information about dominican doble nacionality, but this not my point, I continue later with this. Relax amigo , I continue with muy point now, is to demostrate that if some artists have some Puerto Rican categories, without born in PR,you rejected this to me, you stated that the Puerto Ricans artists are American because they have the American citizenship, you know something, amigo , you have the reason in part, pero in the hand you are wrong, why? because although PR belong to US, it is not a state, and PR has a lot of things separate fron US, and the puerto Ricans can not vote in the US voting, to elect the presidente, for the less , the Puerto Rican in the sland, dawn I going to post an article about this

Here the article

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I can see clearly that PR only has a relation with US , such as, economic and political compromise, others things are separated, such as , culture, tradicions, music folklor, the universe pageants,was from PR , not for US, I thanks for this artcle, , also I have the list of artists be considerate Americans , any Spanish artist is in that list, and I ask you , where our Spanish-American artists are going? , in any place , no in the American list , no in our Spanish list, can you explain that to me? , down I going to post another article

how you see samEV, PR and US are connected only , political and economically, one clear example is the Pagent Universo,every year the pageant universo represent to PR , not to US, but now , i stop for today , tomorrow I continue with the parade, ah , can you explain to me , why you mention , Saint Patrick parede, what relation has with PR?, good night

Minie01 (talk) 07:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Are you serious? I have to explain to you why I mentioned the St Patrick's Day Parade? I mentioned it to show you that Puerto Ricans are not the only Americans who hold parades to celebrate their culture. That means that you can't use the existence of a Puerto Rican parade as proof that Puerto Ricans are not Americans.

And what's the point of all your exertions? Is it to prove that Puerto Ricans are not American citizens? Doesn't your own source say that they are?

Let's get back on topic, shall we? The immediate issue is, I believe, the alleged automaticness of Dominican double nationality. As interesting as the subject of Puerto Rico's political status is to me, I must inform you that this talk page is about improvements to the Anthony Santos article. Please don't post any more material unrelated to that—certainly not of that length—because it will have to be removed. SamEV (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Holla SamEV, DonT confused the things SamEv, I didnt say that Puerto Rican are not American citizens, I said that according to some articles that I read, PR is not a state of US, for that reason PR doesn't have the same previliges than the others state, that relations between PR and US are only politically and economucally, and that PR can keep all the others things , such as , heritage, cultura music, folklor, and tradicions, with this I am demostrating to you that PR and US are together in somethings , but en other not, and that USA has his own artists and PR his own Artists , but separated no the same, , en Espanol , estan juntos pero no revueltos y tu sabes que es asi, ok, you told me that my writing will be removed,I don' t know why? because I have the right to look for some information to probe my point, I didn't know you are the boss for this discussion,but I know now, And I mentioned the Puerto Rican Parade,was for one reazon , in that parade puerto Rican people are demostrating their identity, they are demostrating , that they are Puerto rican nor Americans, they use only one flag, the Puerto Rican flag, in that parade they not use American flag too, in Saint Pastrick parade , also the Irish, demostrate that they are Irish, they show their identity, music , folklor, etc,I did not say that PR is only the community has parade, relax SamEV

Now I going to show some articles of some Hispani-Americans artistis, they were born in US, however, they have some categories of their countries, or the country they did their career, for Example belinda, was born in Spain, but she has all categories of Mexico , because she made her carrer in Mexico, I be back with the informacion Belinda Peregrín Schüll (born August 15, 1989 in Madrid, Spain)

Puse anteriormente las categorias de Belinda y ahora no las veo , pero las vuelvo a poner abajo

Belinda categories

He you can see that Belinda was born in Spain, however, she has only one category from spain, all categories are from Mexico, and she was not born in Mexico , why this? because she did her career en Mexico , in this case you can see that the nacionality was not significant, Is like Anthony Santos of Aventura, he did his career with dominicans people , dominicans people discover and form the group, the group Aventura became famous suppoted by dominican people, Anthony Santos became famous in a dominican group, for that reason all the time he defines himdelf as dominican , as a dominican singer and composer, and always says that he is so proud of his dominican roots and culture, and his father is dominican , in my opinion , Anthony Santos of Aventura can be define as an Dominican-American.

Now I going to continue to probe my point, I Show now , another Spanish-American artist

Julia Alvarez Minie01 (talk) 04:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not the boss (LOL), I'm just relaying to you what the rules are, as per WP:TALK, where they say this: "The purpose of a Wikipedia talk page (accessible via the discussion tab) is to provide space for editors to discuss changes to its associated article or project page. Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views on a subject."

You've said plenty already that doesn't relate to Anthony Santos, and it's important that you stop.

Do not bother telling me how they categorize Belinda or whoever. I'll remove it. If you're arguing just for the sake of arguing, I'll exercise my right to ignore you, do you understand?

So either prove that Anthony Santos is a Dominican national or citizen, or kindly leave this page alone if that's your sole interest in this article. SamEV (talk) 05:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Do you know something SamEV, I have to write that you want?, if you don't like something, I have to eraser , i am discussing something, I have to probe my point , Belinda case is very important because she is repensenting Mexico and she was not born in Mexico , She was born in Spain,is like Anthony Of Aventura , he was born in US , but he represent Dominican Republic, for that reason I am trying to add some dominicans categories to him, , you don't care about this , me care, do you know somethimg, I am upset right here , you know why? because everything that I write is bad for you , it is arbitrary, it is not fear, you have the right to say your things , and I have the right to say my things, we have to make clear this point, can I write or not?, it is dificult for me , you are pressioning me all the time, I told you the nacionality is not my point , I am very clear about this I be back in one minute Minie01 (talk) 07:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Julia Alvarez

Julia Alvarez (born March 27, 1950) is a Dominican-American poet, novelist, and essayist. Born in New York of Dominican descent, she spent the first ten years of her childhood in the Dominican Republic, until her father's involvement in a political rebellion forced her family to flee the country.

How you can see samEV Julia Alvarez nacio en US to dominicans parents, however , Julia has some Spanish categories , and one dominican categories, and the Dominican Republic is no same than US , RD don't belong to usa, and all information That I am putting here is information from wikipedia, and wikipedia acepted this , only you don't acept que I add some dominicans categories to Anthony Romeo of Aventura, for that reason i want that one adminitrared or somebody with high function checkout that We are writing, why if some artists can have some categories of some countries they were not born ,Why I can not add some dominicans categories to Anthony of Aventura group, if he together with the dominican group Aventura represent the Dominican Republic its music and culture Minie01 (talk) 06:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I be back —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minie01 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

You say that did not signed my writings , where? , can you show me to sign,, we are human beings, we can make some mitakes , but we have the opportunity to correct, And my English is no perfect, I am so sorry, thank you for correct me, I try to look for my mistake, and I did not know that I be back is a span, I sorprised, but , if it is a rule belong to wikipedia , I know now,and the next time I remember that,

I finish for today , I will be back tomorrow

"I told you the nacionality is not my point"

Querida Minie, are you saying you're not going to add Dominican categories or change his nationality from American to Dominican again? SamEV (talk) 23:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Querido SamEV, never I added only dominican to Anthony Santos of Aventura, always I added Dominican-American, And I never say that I don't want to add some dominicans categories to him, this my purpose right here, but I don't need to use nacionality, for that reason I am comparing some articles of some diferents artists, when I compare the diferents articles of diferents artists is with purpose to probe que some artists don't born in x country and they have some categories of these countries, for example , Belinda,she was not born in Mexico , she was born in Spain, however , she has only one category of Spain, and the all categories are of Mexico, and wikipedia acepted belinda article,this is an important probe for me , because is the same case of Anthony of Aventura, Belinda made her career in Mexico, for that reason she represents to Mexico, Anthony Romeo made his career with the dominican group Aventura, and the group Aventura was discovered , formed , supported and became famous by dominicans people, for these reasons Anthony Romeo with the Aventura group represent the Dominican Republic in the whole world. And he define himself as a dominican, in some minutes, one more article, of another artist —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minie01 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC) No , I signed my writing,this is my signed,Minie01 (talk) 05:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)I don't know what happen here now with the sign? If you want I bring probe from My Talk that I sign all the time with this simbols , and since last night I have problems with this, can you tell me please , with wwhat simbols I have to sign,I don't want to think that the things are not imparcial right here, I want my sign back, please , SamEV, I know you don't want that I writing, but I am so sorry , I have to due, I going to sign now, i hope my sign is back Minie01 (talk) 05:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Now, I am going show one more article to probe my point

Victor Rasuk

Rasuk was born in Harlem, New York to Dominican parents.[

SamEV, how you can see is another dominican artist that was born in NY, US,however , he has some dominican categories , the nacionalty was not significant, and wikipedia acepted this article too, why only with Anthony Romeo of Aventura is the problem? what happen with him, I want to know , I have the right to know, I dont tell me about nacionality, mi amigo this argument is no valid now, I posted enogh probes that for some articles , the nacionality was not an important point, if you want to continue contrary I add some dominicans categories to Anthony Santos of Aventura, you have to look for another argument, for the nacionality is dawn, now I am going to sleep, I have a strong headache, good bye SamEV, I read you tomorrow Minie01 (talk) 06:30, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The first problem is this: Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources, according to WP:RS. So until you provide reliable references from outside Wikipedia, your proposed changes are unsourced. The second problem is that not everyone applies the rules equally, which may be why people who are not from DR are categorized as if they were. But I'm not involved in those other articles: I'm involved in this one, and I'm asking you for sources from outside Wikipedia. Adios. SamEV (talk) 15:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

It is incredible SamEV, now you look for another argument , the first did not functioned because I probed that it is not the true that that I Can not add some dominican categories to Anthony Santos of Aventura, I know I can due, you don't want to acept that , You know something , I don't acept your new argument, you know why? because we started this discussion right here at Wikipedia, no in another place , and I want to add the dominicans categories to Anthony Romeo right here no in another place, for that reason I don't need any evidency from any place ,you know something samEV, you are a bad looser, I be back at night , we contine talking , I am going to the movie with my friends, hasta luego amigo 68.199.206.174 (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

If you have any sources, show them. SamEV (talk) 21:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I've been telling you about WP:RS and the the fact that different editors edit differently since last year. So there's nothing new there. SamEV (talk) 21:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello SamEV, I am here again, I make you happy , I bring some information from others sources, I am no suppose to do that, because I left clear my point ,this the last time I do that, ok , we are clear SamEv?

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you can see amigo, This Julia Alvarez autobiography, she says very clear , she was not born in the Dominican Republic, like Wikipedia says, and in Wikipedia Julia Alvarez has some Spanish and dominican categories, , my point is going well amigo, now I going to sign Minie01 (talk) 05:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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Minie01 (talk) 05:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Eva Longoria biography

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Now , I going to add , Wiklpedia Article I sign first Ok Minie01 (talk) 06:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Eva Longoria wikipedia article

Eva Jacqueline Longoria Parker (born Eva Jacqueline Longoria; March 15, 1975) is an American actress and fashion model Minie01 (talk) 06:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Categories of Eva Longoria in Wikipedia

Bueno, how you can see right here , first I posted another source diferent than Wikipedia, second , I posted Wiki article and categories, how you can observe, Eva Longoria was born in USA, or texas, however , she has some mexicans categories , because her parents are Mexican , again , the nacionality was not significant to add mexican categories by her origen, ou want more SamEV?, let me know, then , tomorrow I will post to you more example, i have more, now I go to the bed , I work and go to college today, bye , goodnight Minie01 (talk) 06:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm so sorry, Minie01, but that material says nothing about the singer from Aventura named Anthony Santos. So there's still no reason to change his bio's categories. SamEV (talk) 18:24, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Minie, I try to be polite in all circumstances, so I hope this doesn't come across as impolite or rude, but:

Please don't make me doubt your intelligence, Minie. I've come across no one, in my years here, who's been so seemingly unable to comprehend that policy is policy. I.e., Wikipedia's policies and guidelines are stated on its policy and guideline pages, most relevantly in our case WP:BLP, WP:NOR, WP:V, and WP:RS. Articles, which can be altered by anyone who happens to come along, are not policy. They're at best an indirect, often pale reflection of policy. (To give you an analogy: if most cops take bribes, does that mean you should claim that the law allows cops to take bribes? Shouldn't you consult the law itself in order to know what the law says?)

Really, Minie, it doesn't speak well of you that you still don't seem to understand something so simple.

And yet, despite this later effort of mine to make you comprehend, I bet that in your very next post you'll show me how they categorize person such and such. Yes, I wish you wouldn't just to prove me wrong; yes, I may be trying some reverse psychology on you—I'm not sure. In any event, I think it's an excellent bet. SamEV (talk) 22:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Hola SamEv, today I don"t answer to you , because a have siociology test tomorrow, I am studying, but tomorrow I be back, ok, bye , adios —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minie01 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Uuuummmm, you waiting for the most insignificant mistake that I do, I don't know what happen here , but , is ok , no problem, tomorrow I will be here, now I am busy Minie01 (talk) 01:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

lol. SamEV (talk) 15:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Holla SamEV :lol. Minie01 (talk) 04:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Holla SamEV, only I ask you something today , if you think that wikipedia is not a realible source of informacion , why you use it, and stay most of the time right here, and use every rule to explain o stop me to do this or don't do that, if I don't believe in sometihing , I don't use, is a total contradiccion, if for you Wikipedia is no realible , why you are interested in the Anthony Santos of Aventura article? what is your truly reason ? or may be , the only reason is, that if I add some dominican categories to Anthony Santos of Aventura, this bother you SamEV?, and you know why I say that , I think this , because you know that everybody here edit and changes the best for their artists , and I understand that each one has his own rule, for example I noticed that Jennifer Lopez article before did not have Puerto Rican categories, but now she has some puerto Rican categories , somebody added , but I can not do with Anthony santos , why not, because mr. SamEV is bathering with this , I don't know what is his problem with this articles, and you know something SamEV , any information that I will bring to probe that I can add dominican categories to Anthony of Aventura, you say no , you know why? because you are interested in that article , and I don't why?, because for the world and for him and for Dominican Republic , Anthony of Aventura is dominican, I don't know what happen to you ?, I tell you something , If I desapear from here , and you change or somebody cchange the categories of Anthony Santos of Aventura , does not matter , that is not change that he says all the time and the world know , that he is a dominican singer and composer, and it is the true, that you don't want to recognize this true , is another story, good night, bye Minie01 (talk) 06:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Holla SamEv , since tonight I ask for permission to Wikipedia to add some dominican categories to the Dominican-American artist Anthony santos of Aventura, I hope the answer will be favorable to me, because I gave inogh proves that Anthony Santos of Aventura is considerated a dominican singer and composer in the whole world, and the most important thing is , that many artista have categories of countries that they were not born and wikipedia acepted that , whay I cannot add some dominican categories to him,I hope somebody diferent answer to me , please —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minie01 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I contribute to Wikipedia because I want to help make it reliable. I use Wikipedia's content because I think I can tell the good information from the bad. (No doubt an unjustifiable belief, sometimes.)

My interest in this article specifically has to do with something you said time and again on your talk page. You said you wanted to repeat in other Dominican Americans' biographies what you're trying to do here. This article thus became the natural place to confront you.

Now Minie, I'm going to try something different. I'm going to do exactly what you've been doing. I'm going to use your relentlessly inductive approach, but only for the purpose of showing you what a dead end it is. Here it goes:

Hola, Minie. Why do you put Dominican categories in the Anthony Santos article? That's not what they do in many other articles. For instance, just like Anthony Santos, Madonna was born in the United States. But I see something different. She's of Italian ancestry, but her biography doesn't have her in any categories about Italy; rather, she's in American categories and Italian American categories. I'm going to show you. I'll be right back, Minie ................ (tick tock, tick tock)............ OK, Minie, I'm back! I went to the Madonna article and these are the categories I found there: "Categories: Madonna (entertainer) | 1958 births | 1980s singers | 1990s singers | 2000s singers | 2010s singers | 20th-century American people | 21st-century American people | Actors from Michigan | American businesspeople | American dance musicians | American dancers | American expatriates in the United Kingdom | American female singers | American film actors | American film producers | American philanthropists | American pop singers | American record producers | American Roman Catholics | American singer-songwriters | American writers | Best Musical or Comedy Actress Golden Globe (film) winners | BRIT Award winners | Electronica musicians | English-language singers | Female rock singers | Feminist artists | French-Canadian Americans | Grammy Award winners | Italian Americans | Italian-American musicians | Ivor Novello Award winners | Juno Award winners | Living people | Michigan Democrats | MTV Europe Music Awards winners | MTV Video Vanguard Award winners | Musicians from Michigan | People from Bay City, Michigan | People from Corona, Queens | Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees | University of Michigan alumni | Warner Bros. Records artists | World Music Awards winners | World record holders | Worst Actress Golden Raspberry Award winners | Worst Supporting Actress Golden Raspberry Award winners | Worst Screen Couple Golden Raspberry Award winners." As you can see, Madonna (an Italian American, born in the United States) is in "[[:Category:Italian Americans", "American dancers", "American female singers", etc, not "Italian people", nor "Italian singers", nor "Italian actors", etc. So it should be the same with Anthony Santos: just like Madonna, his bio should only have American categories.

Now Minie, here's my question to you: why shouldn't I reason that way? (And if you want more examples, just tell me.) SamEV (talk) 06:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Hay SamEV, you dont find to write right here amigo , que rebulu escribiste , ah in the Anthony Santos article you add that Anthony Romeo Santyos is a Puerto Rican Singer, never , he is not a puerto Rican singer ,he is a dominican singer, he is only a puerto rican descent, when Puerto Rico participed in the formacion of this artist,he become famous by Puerto Rico? not, the career of this artist was made by dominican people, not by Puerto Rican people,, and he was born in Puerto Rico? never, and why you add some Puerto Rican Categories? if you said that no body can't write nothing in this article ontil this discussion finish, and you report me because I change the categories, que relajo es este samEV, this discussion is not serius, I see thst now, i know now that you do that you want right here , never more I pay attention to you, I edit that I want like you , I start right now , bye SamEV , hasta la vista , byeMinie01 (talk) 03:50, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Anthony Santos has now the right categories , the truly categories , the categories that he would like for him , I know you don't like , I asked for permission the last night to change, SamEV ,leave like this please , you know that this is the correct way for this article ,I want stop this discussion here , I added the correct category of Puerto Rico for him, Anthony santos Of Aventura is not a puerto Rican Singer, he is the singer and composer of the dominican group aventura, and all media call him , the dominican singer , and you know that samEV, but you pretend ignore this true , is your decision this stop here , but if you want continue this , I ask you , for what?, ontil when? and what you pretend whit this? you know that I saing the true, good night samEV, I will be here TomorrowMinie01 (talk) 04:32, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Apparently you've no source and no more arguments, so you opt for edit warring, is that it? Just be warned that you could get blocked again for that. SamEV (talk) 13:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

That you say don't care for me now, I know you perfetly , the first time you told me that you want to help me , but now I know who you are, you don't have a good feelings, and you have an obsecion with Anthony Santos of Aventura article, only because he is a half boricua , and you make a mistake when you add the Puerto Rican categories American-Puerto Rican singers , Anthony Santos of Aventura is not a Puerto Rican singer, and only in Wikipedia exists this category for this artist, because this artist is reconigze in everywhere as a dominican artist, as a dominican singer and composer.And I think , you Are suffering a lot , when in every media report, Englis and Spanish , videos, presentacions, everybody say that he is a dominican singer, , for that reason one day I recommend you to see the video of the presentacion of Aventura in the White House, where Anthony with his own words said, Nosotros somos los unicos dominicanos aqui , y estamos representando una cultura y una music, la Cultura y la musica of the Dominican Republic , In English now, Anthony said at White House, We are the only Dominicans here, and were representing here , the culture and the music of the Dominican Republic, he did not say that there were representing two musics and two cultures, you are wrong samEV, you want to cover the sun with one finger, but you know something , very soon , come a sorprise for you , wait for this , it will be very intesteing ,, ag=h , if you want to tell me something , go to My Talk page , I don' t como any more right here, ok, bye , goodnight —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minie01 (talk Minie01 (talk) 07:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC) contribs) 05:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

My friends SamEV and sineBot, today afternoon I wait for you in My Talk Page I am moving over there , thank you very mucho sinebot for correct me , bye , adiosMinie01 (talk) 08:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm satisfied that I've made a good faith effort to help you. And I'm done discussing this on your talk page.

If you have a reliable source, you can do your edit. It's as simple as that. SamEV (talk) 15:53, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you think , are you helping me? , not in any way, At the first time I think that, that you could be my friend , my teacher right here ,but know it very clear , that it is not like this, at first time I come right , I told you very clear , that my porpuse to come right here was to try to fix all dominicans articles , incluring Aventura and the 4 intregrants, all was fine I fix the articles for the others 3 Aventura intregrants, but when I went to Anthony santos of Aventura, and I saww something was wrong , I tried to fix,I removed the categoriy , Puerto Rican Singers, and you asked me , why you removed the category , Puerto Rican singers,I answer to you , Because he is not a Puerto Rican singer, he is a dominican singer, because he is the singer an composer of the dominican group Aventura, never you tried to help me , never you tried to teach me , how to learn right here,the appropiate form to edit , all the time you tried to evoid that I add any dominican category to anthony santos of aventura, but now I ask you something , you tell me that that I can't edit , because I don't have reliable source , then, I ask you now, what relible sources do you have to add the the category American- puerto rican singers to Anthony Santos of Aventura article? he was born in PR, or he lived any time in PR, or he belong to a group that are representing PR, or he made his career in Puerto Rico? I don't think so SamEV, because this your point SamEV, your arguments are in continue contradiction, according to you I can't add any category to this article, because Anthony Santos of Aventura was not born in The Dominican Republic, and he was born in PR? , not , he has any artistis connection wit PR not, In any occasion, or time Anthony Santos has seing that he is a puerto rican singer, not my friend, never, show me only one report of video , where he says that he represents to PR , or he is a puerto Rican singer, and I if can't bring a lot reports where he says , that he is a dominican singer , and that he and the group Aventura represent the dominican Republic, I wait for your response today at night, I want realiables sources that Anthony Santos of Aventura is a Puerto Rican singer, good night SamEVMinie01 (talk) 06:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

"never you tried to help me"

I've rarely said this: you're lying. Your talk page is filled with my efforts at explaining to you everything from how to add people to categories to what the "origin" parameter in the musical artist infobox means to how to upload files to what Wikipedia's rules say. I suggest you learn to tell the truth, among other things.

"Puerto Rican-American" means that he's an American of Puerto Rican ancestry. The source for that is his bio at the group's official website, cited in the article. SamEV (talk) 13:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Editing Anthony Santos article

With all respect I ask for permission to add some dominican categories to the article of Anthony Santos of Aventura, I have almost one year trying to do that, but one editor right here don't allow me to du it, he tell me , don't do that , but he do it,I don't understand him, he is in continuing contradiction in his arguments,he argues that I can't add some dominican categoies because hAnthony Santos was not born in the Dominican Republic , why he added Puerto Rican categories, if Anthony Santos was not born in PR?,And I have reliables sources that Anthony Santos of Aventura is dominican singer and composer , the world know that, only this editor does not want to recognize this true, I am no seing anything false , all media define him as a dominican singer, as the singer and composer of the dominican group Aventura , and he starts his career in this group, and this group was discovered , formed , and support by dominicans, and Anthony Santos identify himself as a dominican, ok, I hope somebody is reading my writing, I only want to correct if something is wrong in the articles of my dominicans artists , and Aventura and the 4 integrants are recognize as dominicans artists very truly Minie01 (talk) 07:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Just provide reliable sources. If they don't exist, then edit or add some other content in the article. SamEV (talk) 13:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Minie, I removed your comments relating to who owns the name Aventura, etc, etc. If you want to discuss Aventura, please do it at Talk:Aventura. SamEV (talk) 21:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Bueno ,now you are erasing everything i Write right here, I think that the last report about about Aventura story and who is the owner of Aventura name and the right of the group don't like to you , how you try to change everything about , you change to your convinience , not how really are, you ask me for evidences or realiable sources , but you don't give any evidency , why Anthony Santos of Aventura is a Puerto Rican Singers? you ignored this question because you don't have reliable sources to answer, and I if I give to you a lot of realible sources about my point, but you ignore , I think , you don;t have control in wikipedia, you erase my writing without any respect, never I eresed your writings , you know why ? because I respect the others ,bye adiosMinie01 (talk) 06:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion , if you don't want to discuss Aventura story right here , you have to tell me , Minie I don want to discuss this point right here , and explain to me why, then , you can ask to me to eraser, but I think you can't eraser my writings without my permission , I think so, I don't know if I am making a mistake and Wikipedia alow the editors to eraser the writings of the others editors, but, I don't think so my friend, and don't forgat, I want reliables sources or evidences, why Anthony Santos of Aventura is a Puerto Rican singers?, please , don't ignore, it is important in this discussion, I wait for that information, bye, adiosMinie01 (talk) 01:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, others can remove what you write on talk pages, for example, if it's irrelevant or unconstructive or vandalism. The ownership of the name "Aventura" isn't relevant to what Santos's nationality is.

His inclusion in "Category:Puerto Rican-American singers" is supported by the fact that he was born "in the Bronx, New York to a Puerto Rican mother" (his bio). That means two things, Minie: that he's of Puerto Rican descent (that's expressed by the words "Puerto Rican") and that he's American. SamEV (talk) 03:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh SamEV , please , Iam not a little girl, you forgat the things easily, I Show information to you that Puerto Rico and USA don't have any connection artistically, Puerto Rico has its own artists and USA has his own artists, it is not true , You want the informastion where I probe that PR and US , only have connection, politically and economically? I bring again, this argument is not valid for me , you have to show me a report or a video where anthony santos says, that he is a Puerto Rican singer and that artistically he represents Puerto Rico, never you find that, you know why? because he never says that, he always says that he represents Dominican Republic. I brought here the report of the Aventura presentacion in the White House, and what he says in the video and the report? he says very clear, "We are the only dominican right here, and we representa one culture and one music, the culture and the music of the Dominican Republic, he did not says thst he represents to Puerto Rico its music and culture, never he says that , and this was a general presentacion , that was observed for the whole world , everybody know that anthony Santos of Aventura is a dominican singer, only you in Wikipedia pretend to ignore that reality, he is thankfull of the dominican republic because he knows The Dominican Republic made his career,and the group incluring Anthony Santos become famous by the Dominican Republic people, The dominican record label , Preemiun Latin Music , the owner of aventura group are the only responsible for the triunph of this famous group, if they are famous now , they own this to Premeiun Latin Music, when they recored their first album , no body in NY believe in them , then, They were introduce to the Latin Music President, Franklyn Romero , in the Dominican Rep, Romero was the creater of Aventura group, and did the promotion of the group in the whole world, and little by little this group became famous, for tis reason , always Anthony Santos of Aventura says, "without Dominican Republic , Aventura would not exist", how you think that this group and Anthony Santos represent another cultura and music , they own all that they are now to the Dominican Republic, no body else participated in the development of the career of this group , nor Puerto Rico nor US, only Dominican Republic, and expained very clear to you, that the dominican record label Premiun Latin Music, is the owner of the name Aventura and the rights of the group Aventura, and for this reason Aventura is a dominican group, and I put the probe , in Spanish , but I translate the most important things , but you erased,I understand that you don't like this information , because is no good for you and your weak argument, that Anthony Santos of Aventura is a Puerto Rican singer because he was born in US, mi amigo ,you are out of reallity, because US has his artists too separated of Puerto Rican Artist, the US artist list does not have any Spanish artist, if we don't care about our Spanish artists , they would not be in any list, because if you add to the Anthony Santos article the American category being Anthony a Spanish artist that sings a very Spanish music, he stays anonimous,because in the American music list he never wiill be, for that reason I am here to correct any mistake to my dominicans artists, I fixed a lot of articles , but I want to finished with Anthony Santos of Aventura, SamEV , I waiting yet for reliables sources why Anthony Romeo is a Puerto Rican singer, that you posted before are not reliable sources, that argument is not valid, because Puerto Rico and US, are not unificated artiscally , remember , that if this would be true , the Miss Universe pageant would be the same for the two part , I want evidences , because you ask me for evidences all the time ,, SamEV don't confuse with me , it is the true tht you know more English than me , and that you have more time than me right here , but I am not silly , tomorrow I going to remember you some important things that I wrote to you and you try to forgat now, bye , adios Minie01 (talk) 05:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

"I Show information to you that Puerto Rico and USA don't have any connection artistically"

At Wikipedia we don't make that distinction. To use language that you might understand: Nobody has to prove to you that the U.S. and Italy have artistic connections in order for Madonna to be categorized as an Italian American. She's categorized as an Italian American because she's of Italian ancestry, period.

You don't seem to understand that this article doesn't call him a person "from Puerto Rico". And you seem incapable of comprehending that categories are not about what country people "represent" (OMG!). This article only says that he's an "American" whose ancestry is Puerto Rican (and Dominican). We don't care what country he represents. Get it through your head already.

Minie, if your English is so poor that you can't understand even simple English, then perhaps you should stop and find something else to occupy your time.

BTW, when he played before President Obama, he was playing before his president, the President of Anthony Santos' country, The United States of America. Goodbye. SamEV (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

P.S. As I said, I try to remain polite under all circumstances—I didn't say I always succeed... SamEV (talk) 02:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hola Sam, you know someting , I don't feel shamed of my English, more well , I feel proud because Englis is my second language, Spanish is my first language, However , I am doing the effort to learn, I am in college here in NY, first , I took ESL classes, I pased all , and now I am finishing my English , the next semester, and the next step is English Literture, and one intensive English vocabulary class, I try so hard , and I hope to get the succeed, but I know the way is hard, ah , you don have to tell me what i have to do with my life, I have the decision of my lfe, I tell you what to do with your life , no never, because I respect the others decisions, and I stop coming to wikipedia, when I decide ,is not your decision , and wikipedia don't belong to you , is for everybody , and about White House party , this was a Latinos party, it was not a American party , and every group represented a country or community , Aventura represented the Dominican Republic Music and culture, and I repeat Anthony Santos words, "we are the only dominican here, and we represent one music and culture, the cultura and the music of the Dominican Republic, and the Dominican Republic and the others bachateros will take advantage of this presentacion", Anthony did not say , that Aventura represents the American culture or another community, he said that Aventura only represents the Dominican Republic, when you go to understand this reality, that Aventura and its 4 integrants represent the Dominican Republic, incluring Anthony Santos, this is not for now , Aventura represents Dominican Republic since early years of their career, but how now they are to famous , some people want change the status of the group without know the history of this group, who is the owner of the group, who created and made famous this group, and to who belong Aventura name, my friend , you failed again, and you problem is that that you don't want accept this reality , that Aventura group is a dominican group because the name Aventura and the right of the group belong to the dominican record label premiun Latin Music, samEV , I am so sorry for you , but you are wrong, really wrong, And waiting yet that you show reliable sources tha Anthony Santos of Aventura is a Puerto Rican singer, I want a video o a report, where he says that, I waiting samEV, tomorrow I bring again the report of the White House Aventura presentacion , with the references, and have the video to , but I don'know how to put video here, I asked many times , but no body answer to me, in the video , first is the mexican star Thalia, and second Aventura, they tolk about their repective countries, bye samEV, adios, I read you tomorrow Minie01 (talk) 06:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Again I bring a report of Aventura presentation in the White house, I posted to you befotre , but you forgat the things so fast

Here the report , where Anthony Santos of Aventura said , that Aventura group represents the dominican music and culture , is in Spanish , pero tomorrow I will try to translate the most important things

Grupo Aventura cantará en la Casa Blanca, ante los Obama, Barack y Michelle

Washingto, D.C.— “In Performance at the White House: Fiesta Latina” es un concierto que tendrá como anfitriones al Presidente Obama y a la senora Obama en el South Lawn de la Casa Blanca, y será transmitido por PBS. El programa de 60 minutos de duración, que será grabado en vivo por WETA Washington, D.C., el 13 de octubre, celebrará la herencia cultural hispana y se emitirá el 15 de octubre de 2009 a las 8 p.m. hora del este por PBS para todo el país.

“Es un gran honor para Aventura ser parte de este evento especial en la Casa Blanca. Estamos emocionados en representar la cultura Dominicana y llevar el sonido de la Bachata a una audiencia más amplia”, afirmo Romeo lider del grupo AVENTURA.

El evento también se transmitirá en Telemundo, la cadena televisiva norteamericana en idioma español el domingo 18 de octubre a las 6 p.m. hora del este, y en V-me, la cadena nacional en idioma español asociada con la televisión pública el viernes 25 de diciembre. El programa, parte de la serie de WETA “In Performance at the White House”, incluirá a Marc Anthony, Jimmy Smits, Pete Escovedo, Gloria Estefan, José Feliciano, George Lopez, Thalía, Tito “El Bambino”, el grupo originario de la Republica Dominicana, interprete del ritmo de bachata, Aventura, la banda de rock chicano Los Lobos, y Sheila E. y su banda. En las próximas semanas se anunciarán más artistas que participarán de la presentación.

“WETA está encantada de embarcarse en esta producción número 42 de la serie ‘In Performance at the White House”, declaró Sharon Percy Rockefeller, presidente y directora de WETA. “Uno de nuestros mayores tesoros nacionales es la rica vida cultural de nuestro país, y estamos orgullosos de acompañar a la Casa Blanca para acercar este concierto a todos los norteamericanos”.

“‘In Performance at the White House: Fiesta Latina’ le ofrecerá al público de PBS un asiento en primera fila para presenciar lo que promete ser una velada muy especial. Este programa, junto con la serie próxima a estrenarse de ‘Latin Music USA’, destaca las importantes contribuciones que los artistas latinos hacen al entretenimiento y la cultura de Estados Unidos. También refleja el compromiso siempre presente de PBS por mostrar la rica diversidad del país”, dijo la presidente y directora de PBS Paula Kerger.

“Estamos orgullosos de nuestra cultura latina y profundamente honrados con la bienvenida de nuestros artistas en la Casa Blanca por parte del Presidente y de la Sra. Obama, para esta memorable ‘Fiesta Latina’ que podrá ser vista a través de PBS”, comentó Patricia Boero, directora ejecutiva de Latino Public Broadcasting.

What Anthony Santos say in this part?,

Es un gran honor para Aventura ser parte de este evento especial en la Casa Blanca. Estamos emocionados en representar la cultura Dominicana y llevar el sonido de la Bachata a una audiencia más amplia”, afirmo Romeo lider del grupo AVENTURA.

REFERENCE:

aventuraworldwide.com

Very clear amigo SamEV, Aventura representa the Dominican Republic culture, no another culture , only the Dominican Republic culture, and I have another report about this , and the video is more explicit, I don't how to put the video, and I have some repotrs in English , where the most important newspapers of NYC, define this group as dominican incluring Anthony Santos, l will bring this information later Minie01 (talk) 06:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Good night, first of all , I am so sorry with Wikipedia because this week I knew that no body can edit the Anthony Santos of Aventura article, I read that an Adminitrator took the article to recontruccion, I hope that this recontruccion will be impartial and just, I promete I don't touch any more this article , for now, I will respect the decision of the administrator,

Now I am going to post some more information about of the Casandra Awards in the Dominican Republic, this premiation was celeated in Tuesday 16 , 2010, Aventura was presente in this celebracion, they get the most high Award in this premiation, The Soberano De Casandra, the most high award for a dominican artist

Here the report, is in Spanish, but I translate, the mos importante , specially the Anthony Romeo words

El grupo bachatero se alzó con “El Soberano”, la mayor distinción artística otorgada en República Dominicana

/////********//////******="WIDTH: 210px" id=attachment_5790 class="wp-caption alignleft"> Grupo Aventura

Miami, FL, 17 de marzo del 2010.- (F & F Media Corp.) Conquistaron los cinco continentes con su bachata moderna. Han sido premiados en los más prestigiosos eventos del espectáculo. Su éxito es orgullo de los dominicanos, por tal razón, Aventura se coronó anoche como “profeta en su tierra” al obtener el máximo galardón artístico ofrecido en República Dominicana: “El Soberano”.

Durante la ceremonia anual de los “Premios Casandra 2010”, que tuvo lugar en el Teatro Nacional Eduardo Brito, en Santo Domingo, el grupo, exclusivo de Premium Latin Music, fue homenajeado con un honor que sólo reciben los más grandes artistas de esta nación, de manos de la Asociación de Cronistas de Arte (ACROARTE).

Obtuvieron seis trofeos en total: “Álbum del Año” (por “The Last”), “Bachata del Año” (gracias al pegado tema “Dile al amor”), además de los correspondientes a arreglista, compositor y grupo más destacado en el extranjero.

“Siempre dije que con este género quería llevar un pedacito de la República Dominicana a todo el mundo. Nos hemos encontrado con la responsabilidad de hacerlo, de que el público que no conoce este género pueda apreciar lo que es nuestro género, nuestra cultura”, fueron las palabras de Romeo, líder de la agrupación, al recibir el galardón más codiciado, “El Soberano”. “Me siento orgulloso de ser dominicano, me siento orgulloso de ser bachatero”, publicó Associated Press en un comunicado.

Aventura es artista exclusivo de Premium Latin Music con la distribución de Sony Mu

Here Romeo words, in the ceremony when they recived the maximun trophy in the Dominican Republic

“Siempre dije que con este género quería llevar un pedacito de la República Dominicana a todo el mundo. Nos hemos encontrado con la responsabilidad de hacerlo, de que el público que no conoce este género pueda apreciar lo que es nuestro género, nuestra cultura”, fueron las palabras de Romeo, líder de la agrupación, al recibir el galardón más codiciado, “El Soberano”. “Me siento orgulloso de ser dominicano, me siento orgulloso de ser bachatero”, publicó Associated Press en un comunicado.

In English

"Always I said that with this musical style , I wanted to carry a Dominican Republic piece to the whole world, and we have the responsability to do it, I want that the people don't know the bachata can apreciate our musica", our culture, this were the Anthony Santos words, the Aventura leader, "And I feel proud to be a dominican, I feel proud to be Bachatero"

How you can read , This are the feelings of this artist , he feels dominican , I don't say that , he says that, he decidec to be dominican by himself, this is a realityMinie01 (talk) 05:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

That's not bad at all.

But where's the link to that story? SamEV (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Hola SamEV amigo , como estas? you ask me for referemnces , I did not posted it before because, because in one part of this report, said who did this report, Associated Press.com, and I find the report in sabor dominicano.com, pero mejor te pongo las references abajo.

REFERENCES:

Associate Press.com Sabordominicano.com And this report is in anywhere, Univision has one, but different, I am going to bring Univision report now 68.199.206.174 (talk) 04:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Here is the Univision report of Aventura group

La gira "The Last" de Aventura es la segunda gira más lucrativa del momento en Estados Unidos donde, con un promedio de ingresos de $730,442 por cada ciudad que visitan, quedó sólo detrás de la de Miley Cyrus.

Lleno tras lleno

Fotos

Las giras de conciertos que más recaudan

El grupo neoyorquino de origen dominicano, apodado "Los Reyes de la Bachata" y uno de los triunfadores de Premio Lo Nuestro 2010, superó a artistas que incluyen la legendaria banda Kiss, Lady Gaga y Mariah Carey.

Video

Aventura, primer Artista del Año

"The Last" comenzó el 20 de noviembre llenando en casi todas sus presentaciones y convirtiéndose en una de las giras más rentables del 2009 y comienzos del 2010. El broche de oro a la gira lo pusieron con cuatro aforos completos en el Madison Square Garden de Nueva York a principios de febrero.

Fotos

"Aventura" encendió el escenario

Además, el disco The Last fue el álbum latino más vendido en 2009 y estuvo nº1 durante cinco meses.

"La gira de Aventura ha sido un éxito y evidencia que es el público el que determina el arraigo de un artista", aseguró Angelo Medina, manager y empresario de la gira, que recalcó que haber llenado cuatro noches el Madison Square Garden de Nueva York y dos el Staples Center de Los Ángeles, así como haber agotado todos los boletos de la gira en las principales ciudades de Estados Unidos "ha enviado un mensaje".

Video

Aventura: Dile Al Amor y Su Veneno

Después de su triunfo estadounidense, Aventura arrancará el 23 de abril en Puerto la Cruz, Venezuela, su gira por América Latina. Entre abril y junio la gira "The Last" visitará Venezuela, Ecuador, Perú, Chile, Argentina, Paraguay, Bolivia y México.

Premiados en su país de origen

Esta misma semana Aventura se coronó en la entrega anual de premios Casandra, donde ganó la mayor distinción artística, que se otorga en su natal República Dominicana.

Además, ganó el reconocimiento El Soberano, por el trabajo en 2009 y que mantiene vigente; galardón que sólo se otorga a los más grandes artistas dominicanos.

Y por si fuera poco...

El grupo Aventura colocó en tercer lugar de la lista de Latin Albums de Billboard su exitoso The Last, detrás de Ry Cooder y Chayanne, quienes ocupan las dos primeras posiciones., you see SamEV, ellos fueron nominados y premiados como dominicanos , porque ellos son consideran dominicanos, y RD los considera sus artistas, you think thast if I don't know that I seing , I stay here loosing my time? , no my friend , Look this part

Además, ganó el reconocimiento El Soberano, por el trabajo en 2009 y que mantiene vigente; galardón que sólo se otorga a los más grandes artistas dominicanos, ReFERENCE:

Uunivision online.com

Englis

Aventura won the maximum Award in RD the Soberano, for their work in 2009nd that they keek update or upfront, Dominican Republic only gives this Award to the greatest dominican artists

You see samEV, Aventura en RD is consiserated , as one of the dominican bigest artist en the history of the country, the soberano is only given to great dominican artists , like Aventura , Juan Luis Guerra, Fernando Villalona, Charityn Goico, ah , y Zoe Saldana was there in Dominican Republic, estubo nominada como dominican artist international, and she won, also she was favorite toguether with Aventura to win the soberano, , but Aventura won,Also was recognized by the Dominican Republic president , Leonel Fernandez, , bueno , bye , adios, mana entro entro y te sigo informando —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.206.174 (talk) 05:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC) , no my friend I signed the problem was that I left one moment, and I forgat to log again, for that reason you did not see my sign, pero es ok, I am so sorry , and thank you for the correctionMinie01 (talk) 05:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Minie, can't you just pick out the relevant parts of a story and post just that, so you don't end up clogging up every talk page?

Re: the Univision story, it is obviously self-contradictory: they start out saying it's a New York group, and then speak of its native Dominican Republic! It's a messy source, in other words.

(Maybe it's the PC thing to do, so they could please everyone, right? But we don't do PC here; at least, we're not supposed to.)

And yet again: this article is about Anthony Santos, not his group. SamEV (talk) 19:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

You know something SamEV, you have the contradiction, the nacionality is no the same of the origen ,the nacionality is the place where you born , and the origen is , where your parents or you family are, where you coming, Univision is completely right , you are wrong my friend, for that reazon many times I added in the origen of Anthony Santos of Aventura, Dominican Republic and PR, because this is his origen , no Bronx , NY , US, his parents are hispanish ,no American,and both parents born in their respective countries. Another contradiction that you have , Anthony Santo always is in the same report , never separated, because the Aventura group is the same as the 4 boys, is the group, or may be you want that que I post only the little part about Anthony Romeo , but I think that a little parte is not very clear , for that reason I post the complete report , I am sure that if I post only the part about Anthony Santos you would ask me , what this fron , I don't understand,I know you SamEV, tu siempre esta buscandole las 4 patas al gato ,I repeat again, the mayor problem of you is that you don't want to admit or reconigze the true about Anthony Romeo Santos , he acepts that he is dominican all the time , and you are in contradiction with him, you pretend ignore his words and his decisions , that he say , he is dominican,the whole world know that , only you in Wikipedia pretend ignore this reality , his life belong to him , and he can take his own decisions, and from where he are or he feels, he wants be dominican , and no body can change this decision, only him can due, and he decided long tieme ago that he is dominican, no you , no me , no body , can change that, you can write one thousand times , that Anthony santos is a puerto Rican singer , an American singer , nothing happend, because outside , all media know that he say that he is a dominican singer and composer and singer and composer of the dominican group Aventura , , and no only the group Aventura is dominican by the boys ,also because the Aventura name and the right of the group belong to the dominican record label, Premiun Latin Music, don't forgat that , is very importantYou forgst some important things easily , at you covenience, , to go to another way and change the main things, bueno, so far, I post many important things about Anthony santos , what he decided to be , what he says to the world that is ,that he is dominican, if you continue this discussion , I don't know what are your new arguments, because I don't know if you have any more thing say, ah if I posted the Univision article was to probe that the Aventura group and the 4 boys are considerated of dominican origen in all media, it is not a secret, if I bring the Aventura article fron Billboard magazine, is the same , they start like this , The dominican band boys, if want to continue negando esa verdad , pues continua , no body believe that you write right here, because the world know the true, bueno bye, adiosMinie01 (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Cut it out. What I've said to you all along is that you need to provide at least one definitive source.

So let's begin with your providing the full link to that AP story. Just so you know, I tried to help you by searching the Web for it, but all I got is forums, which are not reliable sources. Even the Univision story that you cited was from a forum and is no longer up.

Do you understand? Where's the URL to the Associated Press story? "Associated Press.com" is not a URL.

And another thing: I have no personal interest whatsover in how Mr Santos identifies. He seems like a nice person, but I don't even call myself a fan nor do I listen to his music. This is about making sure that you understand that changes of the nature you propose to do in other articles will similarly require sources. SamEV (talk) 23:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Again you are wrong SamEV, how you say that Univision.com is a forum, Univision has forum , but Univision.com is not a forum, it is the main page of univision channel,the most important Spanish channel in USA, it is incredible that you say , Univision a forum, oh my god sam, and it is incredible, bring right here only one example that Univision.com is a forum, only one probe,and , Sabor dominicano.com, is page too , no a forum, this page you can get information about Spanish music and artists, you can't chat with no body in this page, and associated Press is in the beginning of the report,this is a group of different medias together, do you somenthing amigo , i don't speak a perfect Inglish , but always I try to be informed about some general topics, before I bring up some information right here ,I get first some information about that, never my friend I brought any information about a forum, , you want to see everything like you want, the reality is another, who has to say that Anthony Santos of Aventura say he is dominican , you or him , I believe him and know very well , that every information that I bring is not good for you , and I told you before that a lot of artists in Wikipedia have the nature change without realiables sources, I posted examples of Belinda , she was born in Spain and she has mexican categories , only because she did her career in Mexico, with this example the rules were broken, I think that this argument about the nature change is only for Anthony Santos, every body right here do the articles artist , that they want , only Anthony has this problem, because you are in the middle, and , I am not here because I am Aventura fan , I am not here only for aventura and Anthony Romeo, I am here for all my dominicans artist,I explained that many times, and I told you that since the bigining of this discusion, ah, what is a reliable souerces for you ? I want know that , for me is very important , because for you nothing is reliable source, explain to me please, y quedamos en the origen SamEV, I want you explaination of the diference about Origen and nationality, it is important in this discussion ,adios bye amigoMinie01 (talk) 06:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Univision has forums, and that's where I saw the story (I didn't write that Univision.com is only a forum). Here's the link: http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=republicadominicana&message.id=223312. (That's what I mean when I say "link" or URL, Minie.) Ah, but you can't see the story, can you? I told you, they took it down.

Not to worry, though, because there's something called a cache, and Google has one. Here then is the link to that story in Google's cache.

Happy now, domini112? I mean Minie...? SamEV (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Everyday you make more and more mistake, who is domini112? I don't know you talking about, never in my life I listen that name , can you probe this , that I am dom

I waiting for that probe, ahora si que la regaste y te fuiste lejos amigo, how you can know the identificacion of a person only for the writing , or I posted any picture or E-mail right here? , don't confuse SamEV,en your desesperation you see things that are not real, because when you say that I Am domini112, you make a big big mistake, although, I don't have to give to you any explaination , who I am , this discussion is not about that matter, Wikipedia say very clear that no body is allow to ask personal things to others editors, ah, , you are wrong again about Univision, Univision has forum, but Univision.com is not a forum, this is the point , and I found the report that I bring right here in Univision.com, not in a forum,i be back tonight and I probe you that I took this information in Univision.com, hasta luego68.199.206.174 (talk) 19:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Hola SamEV, I am here again, I have the probe that I bring the probe that I took the report from Univision.com, no from a forum

Here the report Aventura vuela alto Su gira es la 2ª que más recauda en EU

Getty Images El grupo Aventura vive un momento de éxitos artísticos y monetarios. Univision.com y Agencias

19 de Marzo de 2010

Lleno tras lleno

Las 20 giras del momento

¿A cuál de los chicos de Aventura admiras más?

La gira "The Last" de Aventura es la segunda gira más lucrativa del momento en Estados Unidos donde, con un promedio de ingresos de $730,442 por cada ciudad que visitan, quedó sólo detrás de la de Miley Cyrus.

Lleno tras lleno

Fotos

Las giras de conciertos que más recaudan

El grupo neoyorquino de origen dominicano, apodado "Los Reyes de la Bachata" y uno de los triunfadores de Premio Lo Nuestro 2010, superó a artistas que incluyen la legendaria banda Kiss, Lady Gaga y Mariah Carey.

Video

Aventura, primer Artista del Año

"The Last" comenzó el 20 de noviembre llenando en casi todas sus presentaciones y convirtiéndose en una de las giras más rentables del 2009 y comienzos del 2010. El broche de oro a la gira lo pusieron con cuatro aforos completos en el Madison Square Garden de Nueva York a principios de febrero.

Fotos

"Aventura" encendió el escenario

Además, el disco The Last fue el álbum latino más vendido en 2009 y estuvo nº1 durante cinco meses.

"La gira de Aventura ha sido un éxito y evidencia que es el público el que determina el arraigo de un artista", aseguró Angelo Medina, manager y empresario de la gira, que recalcó que haber llenado cuatro noches el Madison Square Garden de Nueva York y dos el Staples Center de Los Ángeles, así como haber agotado todos los boletos de la gira en las principales ciudades de Estados Unidos "ha enviado un mensaje".

Video

Aventura: Dile Al Amor y Su Veneno

Después de su triunfo estadounidense, Aventura arrancará el 23 de abril en Puerto la Cruz, Venezuela, su gira por América Latina. Entre abril y junio la gira "The Last" visitará Venezuela, Ecuador, Perú, Chile, Argentina, Paraguay, Bolivia y México.

Premiados en su país de origen

Esta misma semana Aventura se coronó en la entrega anual de premios Casandra, donde ganó la mayor distinción artística, que se otorga en su natal República Dominicana.

Además, ganó el reconocimiento El Soberano, por el trabajo en 2009 y que mantiene vigente; galardón que sólo se otorga a los más grandes artistas dominicanos.

Y por si fuera poco...

El grupo Aventura colocó en tercer lugar de la lista de Latin Albums de Billboard su exitoso The Last, detrás de Ry Cooder y Chayanne, quienes ocupan las dos primeras posiciones.

Right here the bigininig of the report, the first time I didnot copy the first part in the top

This part

Getty Images El grupo Aventura vive un momento de éxitos artísticos y monetarios. Univision.com y Agencias

19 de Marzo de 2010

you see SamEV, this the probe that I took this information from Univision.com and Agencies, I know very well what I am doing, now I will post a report from aventuraworldwide.comMinie01 (talk) 03:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

here another report from aventuraworldwide.com

Aventura se alza como el gran ganador en los premios Casandra

SANTO DOMINGO -- El grupo Aventura se coronó la noche del martes como profeta en su tierra de origen al conquistar seis de los principales premios Casandra, incluyendo el máximo galardón, mientras el músico haitiano Wyclef Jean recibió una estatuilla por su trayectoria.

Aventura se llevó la preseas para álbum del año por "The Last", bachata del año por el tema "Dile al amor", además de los correspondientes a arreglista, compositor y grupo más destacado en el extranjero.

"Siempre dije que con este género quería llevar un pedacito de la República Dominicana a todo el mundo. Nos hemos encontrado con la responsabilidad de hacerlo, de que el público que no conoce este género pueda apreciar lo que es nuestro género, nuestra cultura", manifestó Anthony Romeo Santos al recibir el galardón más importante, "El Soberano". "Me siento orgulloso de ser dominicano, me siento orgulloso de ser bachatero".

La bachata es un género autóctono dominicano que se desarrolló a partir de la segunda mitad del siglo XX y fue denostada por diversos sectores sociales, pero a partir de las grabaciones de Juan Luis Guerra y Aventura ha sido aceptada en todas las escalas sociales.

"Quiero dedicarle este premio, con todo el respeto, lo digo de corazón, a estas personas que un día dijeron que este género era para personas ... que era de cabaret, de alcohólicos; no, la bachata es una música con sentimiento que le habla al amor y al desamor", expresó Santos.

Aventura, integrado por jóvenes de Nueva York de origen dominicano, se destaca por interpretar en "spanglish" bachatas mezcladas con otros ritmos caribeños, el hip-hop, el rap y el rock.

Además de Anthony Romeo (cantante, líder y compositor), la agrupación está formada por su primo Henry Santos (cantante y compositor), así como los hermanos Max (bajista y rapero) y Lenny Santos (productor musical y guitarrista).

Zoe Saldaña, la estrella de la película super taquillera "Avatar", triunfó como artista dominicana destacada en el extranjero en una competencia que dejó en el camino a Juan Luis Guerra, quien en cambio ganó una estatuilla por su concierto "La travesía".

El haitiano Wyclef Jean, el cubano-estadounidense Jon Secada y el productor neoyorquino Sergio George recibieron un Casandra Internacional por sus respectivas trayectorias.

"Siempre he dicho que si venía a Santo Domingo quería decirle a la población una cosa, quiero decirle: gracias por ayudar a Haití en estos momentos del terremoto", expresó en inglés Wyclef Jean.

Entre los asistentes estuvieron los cantantes puertorriqueños Gilberto Santa Rosa, Víctor Manuelle y Melina León, la ex Miss Universo Amelia Vega, el merenguero Johnny Ventura y otras celebridades, que se encargaron de entregar estatuillas.

La 26a entrega de los Casandra, creados en 1985 para honrar a la folclorista Casandra Damirón, se realizó en el Teatro Nacional Eduardo Brito en Santo Domingo enmarcada en un espectáculo compuesto por siete segmentos musicales. La ceremonia fue transmitido en vivo por la televisión local.

La Asociación de Cronistas de Espectáculos es la entidad encargada de la selección de cada ganador del premio.

En uno de los segmentos participó el dominicano Roy Tabaré, quien cantó el tema de su autoría "Se me va la voz", que se dio a conocer en la voz del mexicano Alejandro Fernández.

La gala concluyó con varios artistas locales en el escenario en un "final de solidaridad", dedicado al vecino Haití por el terremoto que lo azotó el 12 de enero, así como a Chile que fue sacudido por un sismo y tsunami el 27 de febrero.

you see SamEV, this a different report from Aventura group official page , and this is not a forum

you see right , the same expression of Anthony Santos of Aventura

"Siempre dije que con este género quería llevar un pedacito de la República Dominicana a todo el mundo. Nos hemos encontrado con la responsabilidad de hacerlo, de que el público que no conoce este género pueda apreciar lo que es nuestro género, nuestra cultura", manifestó Anthony Romeo Santos al recibir el galardón más importante, "El Soberano". "Me siento orgulloso de ser dominicano, me siento orgulloso de ser bachatero".

I don't invent SamEV, you see , it is the true, I am not a liar, everything I say right here is true, Anthony says all the time , he is dominican , and he feels proud to be dominican , and he says that with his own words, I have the video too , but I repeat again , I don't know how to put a video here, , SamEV , this is a very , very reliable source, I don't know what you want ,oh I forgat something , I waiting for the reliable sources why anthony Santos has the Puerto Rican category, Puerto Rican Singer, I waiting samEV. Minie01 (talk) 04:55, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

You asked what does "origin" mean. It depends. Those sources are referring to ancestry, so when they say that someone is "of Dominican origin" they mean that he has Dominican ancestry. But in the Wikipedia musical infoboxes it's different: it means "place where the artist or group began his/her/its career". You know that already.

And now: bravo! A reliable source at long last, Minie!

I think you can add "Category:Dominican singers" (or whatever they're calling the Dominican categories these days...), or such.

But if you still don't understand that he's a person of Puerto Rican descent, I can't help you understand. All I can say is that you should not remove the current categories: you can add Dominican categories alongside those already present. You cannot change his place of birth: his place of birth hasn't changed just because he calls himself Dominican. And you cannot change the "origin" parameter of the infobox, unless you provide a reliable source that says that he actually ~~started singing in a church~~ [began his singing/music career] in the Dominican Republic [instead of New York]. SamEV (talk) 19:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC); 19:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

You are wrong again , I did not change nothing , you change the parameter of the infobox, because you add the category puerto rican singer, he is not a Puerto rican singer, you say the exactly category that you can add to him,Puerto Rican descent and that it , any more category, because never he says, he is a Puerto Rican singer,because he is not , he is a singer and composer of the dominican group Aventura , and decided to be dominican , no Puerto Rican, his own words confirmed that , long time ago I understan that you problem is tha he is a half Puerto Rican descent, for that reason you believe que you have the right to decide Anthony Santos life feelings and decisions, he is a half dominican descent too , but with the advantage ,that he always says that he is dominican ,and that he is proud to be dominican, never I listen to Anthony Santos says ,that he is proud to be Puerto Rican, or that he is a puerto Rican Singer or composer, do you have any report where he says that comments , bring and share it with me , , I have a lot reports where he says with his own words , he is dominican , last night I posted 2 from different media, you know sometihing SamEV , Dominican Republic have the right to call Anthony Santos its artist, because he give the right to Dominican Republic, when he says , he is domincan, and that he represents the domincan Republic in anywhere, Aventura group don't represents to Puerto Rico, incluring Anthony Santos, you have to keep in mind , that Aventura is a dominican group , I know that Anthony Santos decided to be dominican and represent dominican Republic is affecting you , I am so sorry for you, but you are to be just or fear, Puerto Rico did not do nothing to support this group when they needed help , they have 14 years of artistic career , and only one year ago , Puerto Rico support the group Aventura, no Aventura music in the ratio station of Puerto Rico for 13 years , Puerto Rico ignore Aventura for long time, and now because the group is to famous , incluring Anthony Santos of Aventura , some people are claiming, only dominican Republic support this group since early years , Dominican Republic discovered this group, and made their career , and the first audience that support this group were dominicans , they became famous by Dominican people, for that today Aventura is a dominican group , and they represent the Dominican Republic, no way SamEV , this the true, you pretend ignore everything that I bring here , but I brought a lot of probes that can't be forggatten, because I bring references all the time, , do you know something samEV , I cath you , now you says that I can add some dominican categories , I understand why you acept that, because you don't have any reliable sources to add the category Puerto Rican singer,but how you know that Anthony Santos is a half dominican too, you took the arguments that Anthony of Aventura is a puerto Rican descent to justify you added the category Puerto Rican singer, and now the owner of Wikipedia , you , allow me to add some dominican categories, complete contradiction amigo , que chistoso tu eres , bye , adios68.199.206.174 (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok SamEV,I going to desmotraste you that the origen come from the word ancestry, I going to bring here some artists articles where their origen is their country of origen, or better I say the country of their parents, I be back in a minute

Minie01 (talk) 02:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I start with one of your people

Marc Anthony, very good example of the word origen

Background information Birth name Marco Antonio Muñiz Born September 16, 1968 (1968-09-16) (age 41) New York City Origin Puerto Rico Genres Latin, Salsa, Pop, Latin pop, Dance-pop Occupations Singer-songwriter, actor Instruments Vocals Years active 1988–present Labels RMM Records & Video, Sony Music

Where was born Marc Anthony? Bronx NY From where his parents come ? from PR What is his origen ? Puerto Rico

you see amigo , you don't think to begin a discussion right here, how you say that word origen is not coming of the word ancestry,again you are worng SamEV, you have to learn this amigo, origen is where your parents coming, if you born in NY , USA, but your parents are from PR , your origen is Puert Rican , don't forgat that SamEV, you make a big mistake when you add to Anthony Santos article , origen, Bronx NY, this is not his origen, his origen is Dominican Republic and PR, this correct, now I bring another article Minie01 (talk) 02:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Don't bother "bring another article". Your examples are irrelevant, as usual. This is the example that matters: "Origin The city from which the singer or group originated (that is, the city where the group was founded; or the city where individual performers started their career, should it not match the location of their birth). If the city is not known, specify at least the country. Note: as for "Born" and "Died", there is no need to additionally place a {{flagicon}} to represent the nationality." (source: Template:Infobox musical artist. Goodbye. SamEV (talk) 05:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

this not irrelevant , this the true that you don't want to see , this example are here in wekipedia , and this is very clear , that the origen is coming from the word ancestre, where your parents coming, and you don't have to tell me what to write here ,

This the another example that the word origen coming from from ancestre Background information Kat de Luna Birth name Kathleen Emperatriz DeLuna Born November 26, 1987 (1987-11-26) (age 22)[1] Newark, New Jersey, U.S. Origin Dominican Republic Genres Pop, R&B, Latin pop Occupations Singer, songwriter, dancer Instruments Vocals, piano Years active 2006 - present Labels Epic (2006-2008) Universal Motown (2008-present)

Where Kat de Luna born?, Newark New jersey From where her parens are? Dominican Republic What is her origen? , Dominican Republic

This very clear SamEV, another mistake of you , I am so sorry for you SamEV, you have to read more out of Wikipedia , because you only know put Wikipedia rules an parameters , and that it , and here in this part we are talking about a personal background, ancestre , origen , no about career , this a different thing, when you are talking about origen and ancestres ,you are talking about familiy, keek this in your mind, why if Marc Anthony made his career in USA? , he has Puerto Rican origen? , big contradiction amigo, can you explain that please?I have a lot of questions for you, and you never have the answer for any, I waiting SamEV, bye, byeMinie01 (talk) 06:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Hola SamEV. I understand you are mad , because the things are not how you want , for that reason you keeping editing Aventura article, you know and everybody that read my writing know that the dominican group Aventura does not have any relation with Puerto Rico,that Anthony Santos has a half boricua , don't mean that the Aventura group is half puerto rican , because this group don't belong to Anthony Romeo, belong to the dominican record label Premiun Latin Music, you are doing this with purpose, may be to bather me, es ok , continue editing , I edit too , what happen to you amigo? you don't answer any of my questions, I waiting SamEV, and leave along Aventura don't concern to you , Aventura is a dominican group , and we have the right to fix, you don't have nothing to do amomg dominican people , you only change everything not in favor of the dominican Republic, for example , artists that were born in the dominican Republic, you add the category , Dominican American, they are only dominican, why you care about dominican people , give to the dominican the previlige to do it, stop doing this , you have obsecion with the dominican? I am here to defend my people, I don't allow you to continue cange everything of my dominicans artistis, vengo en un ratoMinie01 (talk) 00:07, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Minie, you're a riot.

And at the same time not... SamEV (talk) 00:51, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Minie, you complain that I've been ignoring you. I told you so, didn't I? As if you didn't know already, Wikipedia has internal policies and guidelines, compromises among editors (WP is big on compromise), etc, etc. I remain willing to help you, and I told you that you can add the applicable Dominican categories to this article. But if you petulantly insist on ignoring the rules here, then I'll ignore you. There's a limit to how much of my time I'll allow you to waste. SamEV (talk) 04:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I Don't understand you , where you are going to write , here or in the page editing Anthony Santos? what happen? and I don't know you talking about Wikipedia rules, you don't respect any rule, you think the rule are only for me, you don't respect nothing, you change everything you want , first , you have to respect that rules , and then you ask me to respect , according to you if I edit an article of a dominican artist, to add the correct category , I am not respect the rules , but you if can change that you want and it is correct , that good , the rules here are only for me, , I understood very well amigo, for you I don't have any right to do nothing here, but this another mistake of you, I going to work in all mis dominican people , every wrong thing in their articles , I am going to take out, I don' care if you like or not, it is not your concern , understand that, I hope so, hasta luego, adiosMinie01 (talk) 05:38, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

You have the same right to edit that I do. Just make sure to follow the policies. I've provided you with links to and quotations of them going back to last spring. I predict continued futility and frustration for you if you go on tring to do things as you have so far.

I said on your page that I'd ask a mediator's assistance. But the fact is I see no need of that, since the issue is not that there's honest, reasonable disagreement between editors who are both doing things right. The issue instead involves a newcomer who either can't or pretends not to comprehend simple concepts and English. SamEV (talk) 20:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Minie, there's something else I've largely overlooked. Let me inform you that you do not have the right to tell anyone that they can't edit an article if they're not ancestrally related to the subject. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and anyone can edit any of its articles.

And since, relatedly, you have the nasty little habit of ascribing bad motivations to me, make absolutely sure to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:No personal attacks.

And Minie, just like me, and him, and her, etc, you are not obligated to edit Wikipedia's articles having to do with the Dominican Republic. There are other things to do. SamEV (talk) 00:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Holla samEV, I don't have time today , because I have a proyect in college tomorrow, I don't know about what rules are you talking, you know you don't respect any rule right here , before you told me that that I can't edit Anthony Santos because we are in discussion , and you and another editor put a warning to me , but you edit that you want during discussion, that is respect the rules? , not ,you pretend I respect the rules and parameter , but you violate the rules all the the time, and if I asked you about don't touch the dominican articles , I have my reason , because you are confussing every category in my dominican people, you aren't the indicate person to do that, for example Dania Ramirez had the category dominican American , and she was born in the Dominican Republic, she is a dominican actriz or actor only, and I changed, dominican American are only the dominican people were born in USA, if I find mistakes like this , I try to fix, wiht this I don't broke any rules , Karina Pasian is to dominican parents , in consequence Karina Pasian is the dominican origen , why you said I broke the rules because I add to Karina , dominican origen, what is you interest that our dominican famous don't appear as dominicans, and you if can add anything to the people without permission, if I add to the dominican Group Aventura , Dominican Republic origen , you erase, why this bather you ? everybody know that Aventura is dominican group, only you are blind , lo siento por ti SamEV, pero no hay mas ciego que el que no quiere ver, and feel proud that I learn here because I don't have time to stay the complete day right here , I am working and studying, this not my priority, sometimes , I enter right for my people to try to fix their articles , erase the many mistakes that they have, you think it is possible that I saw yesterday a dominican artist, I don't remember the name now, he died, he was born in Puerto Plata Dominican Republic, and he has all American categories ,it is not fear , I have to fix , there are my people , not your people,and every time I see that I try to fix , for me this is correct, and I continuing doing , I not broking any rule with this, and ye , never I understand how you try to aply the rules here if you don't respect that rules , explain to me that, tu siempre muy chistoso tratando de respetar una ley que tu no cumple , he he, he, bye adiosMinie01 (talk) 04:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

You don't know enough about Wikipedia's rules to tell who follows them or not. Here's my challenge to you: show me how I've broken any rule, by citing the applicable policy or guideline (and only policy or guidelines; forget about what you saw in whoever's article, an article that more likely than not I've never edited). Show me.

As I so often have told you: here it is customary to include residents of the United States as Americans in the categories. That's why you see people who were not born in the US included in American categories.

Lastly, please don't post again anything with statemens such as "there are my people , not your people". You have no idea whether they're my people too.

This is the last time I'll reply to your abusive statements. I'll just remove them on sight next time and take whatever other action I consider appropriate. SamEV (talk) 18:36, 25 March 2010 (UT

Ok amigo , here is the first rule you broken ,you aren't suppose to call any name right here, you call me domini112, wikipedia says that any editor can't say any personal thing to another editor,

Here the probe

Happy now, domini112? I mean Minie...? SamEV (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Second time you broke the wikipedia rules you call name to me , you call me a riot, you aren't suppose to do that, this a direspect, never a did that to you

Minie01 (talk) 23:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)Third time you broken wikiipedia rules , you remember another editor warning to me because I edited Anthony Santos article, According to you and the another editor , I could not edit Anthony Santos article because this article is discussion, and I broken the rules, but later you edit Anthony Santos article adding the puerto Rican category, Puerto Rican singer ,you broken the rules completely , do you now why? because Anthony Santos of Aventura is not a puerto rican singer,or he made his career there or was born in Puerto Rico? ,not,according to you , I can't add any category to Anthony Romeo because he was not born in Dominican Republic, , but you did the same , in total contradiction as always , if I can't do because the article was in dispute , or because anthony santos was not born in Dominican Republic , you niether, because Anthony Romeo is no connect with puerto Rico musically , only is puerto Rico descent, if I broken the rules for change something wrong of a dominican artists, you broken the rule too when you add that category to Anthony Santos, this artist was not born in PR, and he did not made his career in PR,why you have the right to do that , and I can't do it, total contradiction, explain me that please, if you want more probes that you broken the rules I bring more, tell me , bye , adiosMinie01 (talk) 23:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Holla , now I am going to reply to you why I am an abuser , I don't believe I made any abuse right here ,you are the abuser here , you know why? because you tell me you tell me don't do that or dont do this, but you do it, for example, you told me , that I can't edit Anthony Santos article because it is dispute or discussion, however , you edited it , you added the category Puerto Rican singer ,why you have the right to do it? , and I can't do , it is no fear amigo , doing that you broken the rules, ah my friend , my statements are not nasty abusive , never I used innapropiate word to call you , and you did , if I say my dominican people , this not nasty , only I want to say, that they are dominican like me, and tha I have the right to defend them ,and never I forced you to answer my writings , you have the right to ignore , is you option,And i did not say that you edit everything here , I know more or less that you can edit, but was very sorprised for me when I edited something in the Karina Pasian Article , something was wrong over there , and you fallow me , and you trid to stop me , I have the right to edit anything that I believe is not right Karina Pasian origen is not Amrican , is dominican origen , if you think that is not like this , I repeat the same question to you , explain to me why Marc Anthony made his career and was born in USA , but , however, he has en his background Puerto Rican origen , what happen with this SamEV? what are your rules and parameter ? hay SamEV , always in contradiction, for that reason I told yu before that the rules and parameters only are for me,this is not an impartial way to solve one problem , bye adiosMinie01 (talk) 02:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh man... If I write very proper English I may come across as pedantic. If I write more casually, with colloquialisms and some slang, I run the risk of being misunderstood. I can't win; it's hard not knowing which writing style to use.

A "riot" doesn't just mean motín, tumulto, alboroto, etc: It also means 'someone who's very funny' ([2]. see?). Some of what you write is so out-of-left-field that I think it's a riot.

And as to my suggesting that you're domini112, that was a joke, Minie. Lighten up, seriously.

You were asked not to edit the disputed content, especially without sources. My edits have been actually of a non-controversial nature, they're basically no more than copyediting and making sure that the contents match the info in the references. SamEV (talk) 21:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)SamEv

Later I reply to you I have some important things to tell you, very soon you wiil have a beautiful sorprise, byeMinie01 (talk) 21:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)