Talk:Revels (Inns of Court)

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Did you know... that Peter the Great experienced "a riotous and revelling Christmas" in London in 1697?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:57, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Inns of Court, training places for barristers, elected a "prince of misrule" to lead their annual revels? "Each of the Inns appointed a Prince of Misrule" from: Arlidge, Anthony. "Revelry in the Inns of Court". Counsel Magazine.
- ALT1:... that the Inns of Court revels played a key role in the encouragement of early English theatre? "The Inns were in fact the cradle of English drama" from: Arlidge, Anthony. "Revelry in the Inns of Court". Counsel Magazine.
- ALT2:that a performance of The Comedy of Errors at the Inns of Court revels in 1594 is one of the best-documented events of Shakespeare's life?"the performance of The Comedy of Errors at Gray's Inn on 28 December 1594 is one of the best-documented events of Shakespeare's life" from Potter, Lois (2012). The Life of William Shakespeare: A Critical Biography. John Wiley & Sons. p. 151. ISBN 978-1-118-23177-7.
- ALT3:... that fights between law students and actors broke out at the 1580 and 1581 Inns of Court revels?"the younger spectators seem to have felt licensed to behave as wildly as tehy liked ... they got into fights with the Earl of Oxford's players in 1580 and the Earl of Berkeley's players in 1581" from: Potter, Lois (2012). The Life of William Shakespeare: A Critical Biography. John Wiley & Sons. p. 153. ISBN 978-1-118-23177-7.

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Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 06:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting article, but I see lots of missing links. Please give a run-through. Thanks, Johnbod (talk) 14:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - I checked ALT1, which seems best. The relevant sentence in the article is "The inns played a key role in providing venues and funding for performances and were a great encouragement to early British actors and playwrights." but the cited source does not seem to support this.
Interesting:

Image eligibility:

Freely licensed: - Why no picture? The picture of Shallow and Silence might be used with a hook about "swinge bucklers"
Used in article:
Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: It's a good topic, as Johnbod says, so I'll put it on my watch list and help out. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the quote from Arlidge that "The Inns were in fact the cradle of English drama" supports my sentence. I'll read through the article, add some extra links, and come back later with other hook suggestions - Dumelow (talk) 05:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Justice Shallow

Some suggestions - Dumelow (talk) 09:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC):[reply]

ALT4: ... that Peter the Great experienced "a riotous and revelling Christmas" in London in 1697?
ALT5: ... that Shakespeare's Justice Shallow (pictured) recalled behaving as a "swinge buckler" at the Inns of Court revels?

ALT4 is fine. ALT5's citation is an inline reference to Shakespeare rather than a footnote but that seems ok to me. Both hooks work well for me so I suppose the choice will depend on whether it's going in the picture slot or not. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two questions - Brerewood and Triumph[edit]

Hi Dumelow, thanks for yet another fascinating read! I have two questions. Firstly, Brerewood seems to be Robert Brerewood "appointed reader at the Middle Temple in Lent term in 1638" but is that OR to make the connection?

Next, I wondered if the link for The Triumph of Love to a dab page was intentional. On looking at the Kuritz book ref, it may have a typo and the £21,000 masque is actually James Shirley's The Triumph of Peace? Thanks again, JennyOz (talk) 09:03, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JennyOz, glad you enjoyed it! I think you're right on both counts here (our article on the masque says "The total cost of the extravaganza was, according to Whitelocke, £21,000, all paid by the Inns of Court") - Dumelow (talk) 16:04, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dumelow, I have tweaked both. JennyOz (talk) 00:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]