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Tattoos

Not to sound advert, but does all that information about his tattoos really needed? Zenlax Talk Contributions Signatures 19:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Not to sound like a prick, but if you dont like it, shaddup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 17:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Too Opinionated

Maybe it's just me, but the section for Orton in the year 2002 just sounds too opinionated. Maybe a cleanup is in order? AugustWinterman 0:36 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Cena killed.

Shouldn't cena be added to the legends killed list. I know he didn't really kill him but he publicsized as having. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masterman4 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That whole list should go. Mshake3 00:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
A. Orton never beat Cena (while they were feuding) B. Cena injured his shoulder right before Orton attacked him. C. If WWE.com has a list, then why not Wikipedia. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
What list? Mshake3 (talk) 17:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Cena is NOT a legend.LifeStroke420 (talk) 17:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Cena lost to Orton at Unforgiven because Cena got disqualified. 24.46.254.132 (talk) 16:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
What happened after the match ended? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Legends "killed" on Orton's list seems to include anyone that is, or has been, a main eventer. Keep in mind that Rob Van Dam and Booker T were on the list, even though they really shouldn't be considered legends yet. The list isn't really factual, just something to get him over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.137.34 (talk) 16:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't of said better myself. Zenlax T C S 19:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Brothers name

According to WrestlingInc.com, Orton has a younger brother named Nate Orton. The article can be found here. Shouldn't this be included in the article? All about wrestling 01:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

There is mention in the article of him being the oldest of two siblings. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

He also has a sister named Rebecca, or "Becky." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.135.17.17 (talk) 23:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Stone Cold

Shouldnt Stone Cold be removed from the list? Orton defeated his team at Survivor Series and Orton never even laided a hand o Stone Cold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.212.34 (talk) 11:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

True, but remember, Stone Cold's position as Co-GM for RAW was on the line and Orton pinned HBK for the win, after Batista interfered by giving HBK a Batista Bomb, making Stone Cold leave RAW. Adding Stone Cold to the list of Legends Killed. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Lead image

File:Orton WWE Champion No Mercy.jpg
Proposed lead.

I had changed the lead image but was reverted.

To the right is the proposed new image. In my opinion, it is brighter, less blurry, larger and higher quality than the current lead, and is newer and also more relevant as it shows him with the title.

Thoughts? --Edward Morgan Blake (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

that's taken from wwe.com and you can't use it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.82.99 (talk) 21:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems to be a free use image. [[1]] I definitely prefer it to the current one. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The current image is OK, the image of him as the WWE Champion belongs in the Championships and accomplishments section. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I believe the current one is fine and that this one belongs in the Championships and accomplishments section. Cheers, LAX 22:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
My comment might seem bias because I took the photo, but I think my photo should be in the infobox for the reasons stated initially. I know the believe is that it's better for the quality of the championship section. However, having a top quality infobox image is much more important than having one in the championship section. Plus, the current infobox image just sucks. Big time. On second thought, that one is OK, but I still recommend mine. Mshake3 (talk) 05:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Mshake. The pic with the WWE title should be in the infobox, it is of better quality. Why not put the pic of Orton with the IC title down in the Championships section? I believe it's currently in the List of WWE IC champions article and it's a good pic of both the IC belt and of Orton. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I see what both Mshake and Gavyn Sykes say about the image. But, really? If there was no other image available, then I would agree to replace the WWE image in the infobox. But, there is an image in place, and I say we stick with that one. Zenlax T C S 20:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I fail to see why we should stick with one we have when there is arguably a better one available. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll tell you why. I went through hell to get that image. Now, some of you may not care, but I do. I think the image should stay where it is. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Did the poster on Flickr give you a ton of beef over it's use? Mshake3 (talk) 22:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, to be fair, I think this argument came up because someone removed my image and replaced it with a lesser quality image. I'm assuming it was done because mine was taken during his short, 30-minute reign, and the other was obviously during his second. Mshake3 (talk) 22:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yup. I had to convince him that the image was going to be of good use, since there was no main image. So, he finally agreed to it and changed the license. Now, as for your image, the one that was replaced looked more like a WWE image. So, your image works..... in the Championships and accomplishments section. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Legends Killed

Seriously, what is the criteria involved in determining the "killed" legends? For example, Triple H was "killed" at No Mercy this year. However, the citation, a WWE.com article, mentions nothing about him killing another legend.

Personally, I think the whole list should go, and should instead be encorporated into the article, with only a focus on the initial few he "killed", when it was made 100% that he was "killing legends". Mshake3 (talk) 05:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Any legends worth mentioning are already mentioned in the prose. The list should go. Nikki311 20:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree it should go. --Crash Underride 20:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I too, agree on this. Zenlax T C S 20:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
If someone insists on there being a list, I will say that in 04, WWE released a T-shirt listing the legends he killed and their dates. Mshake3 (talk) 20:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Bye, bye list. :) Davnel03 21:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
It's essentially cruft. I say it should go. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I being someone who created an article about Orton's legend killngs (Legend Killer), believe that the list is not necessary but helpful and organizational. Same reason we have Lists of every title reign. Are they necessary? Not really, but they help organize. Why does Undertaker have a table with all his opponents beat at Wrestlemania, if it's all in the prose?... Is it necessary? No, but it's organizational. Why is there a WWE Triple Crown article? Is it really needed? No. Isn't this term unused by the WWE in the present? Yes. Then why does it have it's own article? Because it's organizational.
If you decide to eliminate the list for the reasons that it "isn't necessary", then EVERY ONE of those above must go, including the championship reigns. Obviously, the championship reigns have gone for more time, and have much more information, but still, if you read the articles on most wrestlers in the WWE: "It's all in the prose..." Feedback ☎ 23:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Wrestlers defeat other wrestlers, we do not list their matches and who they defeat in a list. Arguing if one list that is specific to this article is removed we must thus remove all lists from the article is inaccurate and in unsupported considering articles on say films can list they won an Academy Award but will also feature a list of awards. –– Lid(Talk) 23:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Besides, championship reigns are sourcable. I still havn't seen anyone describe the criteria for who was "killed" by Orton. Give me that, then we'll see. Mshake3 (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to make a point. Obviously we won't eliminate those lists, so why eliminate Randy's legend killings?
What is different?:
There is no physical award for legend killings
There are no physical awards for PWI Rankings, TWO Awards, Undertaker's Wrestlemania wins, etc; and they all have lists.
The problem is legends can be defeated and then they return to be "killed" again, like Ric Flair, Sgt. Slaughter and Shawn Michaels...
If this is the case, then all title lists would have a problem, as champions are also defeated, and some return to regain their titles.
Notability is questioned...
WWE has announced every legend killing, and have even made a list of legends killed on their site. How is this not notable enough? Feedback ☎ 01:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Care to link to said list? Mshake3 (talk) 06:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
The criteria to be in a legend killing is unknown
There is no criteria. A legend killing happens when WWE announced it happened. Fabulous Moolah, Shawn Michaels, Jerry Lawler, Mick Foley, Cactus Jack, Rock-n-Sock, Stone Cold, Sgt. Slaughter, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Jake Roberts, Tommy Dreamer and Rob Van Dam were announced as legends killed. Feedback ☎ 01:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Just don't add it. Everyone has agreed to it that the list should go. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Non-GA Review

Note: This is NOT a GA Review, since I’m deeply involved in pro wrestling article editing I’m disqualifying myself from actually doing a GA Review. That doesn’t mean I can’t comment on the article – especially since it’s sat here for such a long time. Consider this a "Pre Review" pointing out issues that a regular GA review would probably point out as well. And as always – there are my opinions and views on the matter, if you disagree you’re not obligated to change it in any way 14:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

And now: The issues

  • Lead
  • Unsourced statement about his family – father, uncle etc. Should be sourced first time it’s mentioned.
  • No citation to support the “weasly” expression ”achieved considerable success”
  • ”Star and Legendary wrestlers” ? man that reads ugly, I know what the article is trying to say and all but it just doesn’t read well. And it’s not sourced.
  • Career
  • Everything from “Oldest of 2 siblings” to “try other venues first” is totally unsourced, also what other venues? What did he try? How did it go? I want to know about Randy Orton “the man” just as much as Randy Orton “The wrestler”.
  • Mentioning that he was an Amateur wrestler as a side remark seems odd, treated at trivia more than anything.
  • the NNDB citation doesn’t support that he went AWOL twice only once. And can NNDB really be considered a reliable source? Any ideas?
  • What does MMWA-SICW even stand for?? first rule of using an abbriviation - define it!
  • Irrelevant that Sam Muchnik ran a federation until 1983 – “An offshoot of the St. Louis Wrestling Club” is sufficient before it becomes trivial.
  • It mentions that he wrestled for MMWA-SICW and that he trained and officiated – is that really all there is to say about his pre-WWE days? How long did he work there? Anything on how he got a WWE contract without apparently doing anything at all?
  • 2001-2002
  • A passing mention of his OVW time – no explanation of what OVW is, what role it serves? Was he a face? Was he a heel? Who did he beat? Something – anything to make it less trivial and actually have content??
  • This sentence ” Gifted with strong wrestling skills, tall stature, and a knack for cutting promos on the microphone, Orton was quickly pushed as a main eventer. However, his persona as a face did not go over with the fans, keeping him from the World Heavyweight Championship scene” is the biggest offender of non-neutral point of view, weasel words and misleading citations I’ve seen in a LONG time. As I read it I hope this isn’t the general quality because then this’ll never make GA.
  • the rest of the section from citation “17” and forward is more of the same – weasel words, non-neutral comments, original research and fanism without source support. Even if the sources at the end support the general content the tone and neutrality needs to be worked on.
  • 2003
  • He joined a stable or he helped create it? The first sentence says both, pick one and stick with it.
  •  Done Zenlax T C S 20:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I know for an absolute FACT that very little from the start of this section down to citation “20” is actually sourced in that citation – it’s OR, POV and Weasly all in one.
  • Citation “21” – only covers that Orton was in the Elimination Chamber. Everything before that is once again (say it with me) OR, POV and weasly.

And that’s where my review is going to end – because it keeps being unsourced, Point of View and filled with Weasel Words and it just saddens me that someone really thought this was ready for GA. It’s lacking in sources more than you’d think when looking at the amount of citations. For my own sanity I'm just going to stop review it and hope someone has a bit of common sense to delist this from GA so that this doesn't represent the general level of pro wrestling articles presented for GA consideration, I'm sorry if it's harsh but that's how I feel. Sorry but I’d fail it if I was actually GA Reviewing it. MPJ-DK (talk) 14:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Quick response to a question you asked: My understanding is that neither NNDB nor IMDB, both of which are used in the Career section, are considered reliable sources. I've also read that Lords of Pain, cited in the 2006 section, is considered unreliable. In addition, I just thought I'd mention that the trainers listed in the infobox are unsourced. GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

GA Fail

I thought someone would take the hint and just delist this – but alrighty then. I can’t / won’t pass articles to GA but I can fail those that are OBVIOUSLY not ready so and it makes WP:PW look really bad if someone outside the project has to review this


GA review (see here for criteria)

This is far from ready for GA since it breaks the policies of neutral point of view and verifiability, has a serious problem with weasel words and “In universe” problems

  1. It is reasonably well written.
  1. a (prose): b (MoS):
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
  1. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  1. It is broad in its coverage.
  1. a (major aspects): b (focused):
  1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
  1. Fair representation without bias:
  1. It is stable.
  1. No edit wars etc.:
  1. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
  1. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  1. Some of the pictures serve no purpose – the info box, house show, IC & World title pictures are essentially the same and add nothing to the article.
  1. Overall:
  1. Pass/Fail:

This needs a lot of work. MPJ-DK (talk)

Moveset

Orton has three versions of the RKO, a regular one, another where he jumps off ladders or turnbuckles (Super RKO) and a midair version, which is not on the list. Any objections adding it? 24.46.254.132 (talk) 16:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Not to count you wrong, but it is still an RKO. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Chinlock

Do we really need an image of him doing that? Mshake3 (talk) 22:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, no. I'd like to bring up redundancy in the picture captions. All begin with "Randy Orton" blabla. Shouldn't it just say Orton? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know. It something he does. But, no. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I ended up fixing the image captions to "Orton". --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
And that's another pet-peeve of mine. Most of the captions around here simply describe the photo. In my opinion, they should describe Orton's accomplishment when possible. If he's holding a title, say "Orton is a two-time champion." Perhaps even add a little factoid to it, like I did with this image. Mshake3 (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
How 'bout now? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Feuds with Y2J and Jeff Hardy

I believe that these should be added, especially considering they involved the WWE Championship. I would do it myself, however I'm not too familiar with editing, and it seems to be a bit too much for me at this current time. Mjack32 (talk) 13:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The Y2J feud was not notable. It lasted until only one PPV and is not relevant to Orton's overall career. The Jeff Hardy feud is notable, but we don't add future events, WP:PW consensus is to list major feuds once they are over. Cheers, Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The title defenses against HBK at Survivor Series, Y2J and Jeff at PPVs are relevants. Put this like "For the remaining of the year Orton retained the title at consecutives PPVs with Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho and Jeff Hardy. --KingOfDX (talk) 04:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
That is lazy and you know it.

Nicknames

What about "The Destroyer of Legends", it was a short-lived nickname, but it was. And "The Man of Destiny", Jerry Lawler always calls Orton "The Man of Destiny". --KingOfDX (talk) 04:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The first two nicknames are not notable. However, the "One man dynasty" is not a nickname, but Orton's era as WWE Champion. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Update the page

Either update the page or get rid of it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 23:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

What the hell? No future events! Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

There Royal Rumble there No Way Out their WM24 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 01:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Royal Rumble and No Way Out are non-notable feuds, and WrestleMania is a future event. Thus, there is nothing to be added. --Cheers, LAX 01:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

So their still apart of his wrestling life mean for Godsake what the big deal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 01:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

We go by WP:PW consensus, not by what you want. --Cheers, LAX 01:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, and have good faith. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
If the bios of wrestlers listed every feud they'd ever had, article's lengths would become unmanageable. Thus, only notable feuds are added. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. Let's say that Orton loses the title at WM, then yeah it would be added. Am I right so far? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 04:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No because WM wouldn't be a notable feuds consider it got the same build up as the jeff hardy and Cena match Supermike(talk) 7:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd would see Orton lose the WWE title. Something that has been added to other articles. Zenlax T C S 14:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
With all due respect, how's that relevant to Mike's statement above? WP ain't a wrestling news site you know. The Game - Hhh210 (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
If you weren't to note that he lost the title, it would read as if he never lost it. –Cheers, LAX 00:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Randy orton did injure himself from being suplexed/dropped on his upper neck/head. Since you (whoever edited it) didn't bother to say something in this talk page, then it must be allowed. This page allowed the mentioning of john cena returning from his injury. majinsnake

7 may 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majinsnake (talk • contribs) 19:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there a source provided? Zenlax T C S 19:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
It was like watching when StoneCold Steve Austin got a bad piledriver and him trying to stand barely. Heres the link http://www.pwheadlines.com/wrestling-news/randy_orton_injured_on_raw_new_wwe_talent_lots_more.shtml. majinsnake —Preceding comment was added at 09:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but that is not a reliable source. –LAX 09:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

than try this site, http://www.randy-orton.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1208231060&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4&

http://www.wrestling-edge.com/wwenews.php?subaction=showfull&id=1208266974&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1

You will probably say that these aren't good sites either. It speaks of him holding his neck after the match and the fact that he gave his signature move to William Regal out of nowhere. It was out of nowhere since he was hurt and they were ending the match quickly. Orton was probably already set to win the match, but had to cut it short. Stating he seemed in character, more then likely whoever wrote that wasnt paying much attention. You really had to watch closely on tv to know. Scroll down to orton vs regal match on 2nd site.

[[majinsnake|majinsnake] 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems that maybe he got tired out during the match. But nowhere does it state he's legitimately injured. Zenlax T C S 20:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Picture

Don't you think the champion picture should be up their instead of the current one? He is currently champion. NimiTize 00:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, we already had a discussion about this. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

how bout this picture this is the link ----- http://www.flickr.com/photos/snerkie/1990254197/

This is not good

Whats wrong with you people? if I wanted more infomation about Randy Orton in 2007/8 i would go to a middle aged whale! Its wrong. ITS WROOOOONG! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.241.62.188 (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

read the above section called "Update the page". ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 01:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

2008

Is the 2008 section worthy of being there yet? There is one sentence after it had been fixed, and with no sources added, it doesn't really add much to the article. --Blazzeee (talk) 01:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I think so. Looking back up the page the consensus seems to be that his victory over Hardy isn't notable anyway, so I'm going to remove it. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 02:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Let's say that if he loses the title at WrestleMania, we can add something with Orton having successful title defenses against Chris Jericho and Jeff Hardy. Again, I'm just assuming. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Pre-GA review

I'm a bit behind on these reviews, but I'm trying to get through them anyway. I'll do a section or two at a time, as I'm fairly busy these days. Overall, the article seems good and is well-referenced. A few things that stand out:

  1. Reference 111 doesn't work.
  1. Removed since no url was provided. –LAX 10:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the "Wrestling training" section, references for his trainers would help. Currently, only one has a reference (Danny Davis, although it is not clear which of many Danny Davises this is), and the reference is from blogger.com, which doesn't seem like a reliable source.
  1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the second paragraph of the "2004-2005" section, is a reference available for Orton gaining heat?
  1. Nope, the info. has been removed. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the third paragraph of that section, a reference is needed for Graham's quotation.
  1. --GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Later in that paragraph, "whimper" could be seen as point of view.
  1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Later in that paragraph, it isn't clear who "his father" refers to. Saying "Bob Orton, Jr." might help.
  1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the next paragraph, "ceremonious" seems like an odd choice of words.
  1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Later in that paragraph, "his father" is used again in a sentence that discusses both Orton and The Undertaker.
  1. Do you want it to say "Cowboy Bob Orton"? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Later in that paragraph, "classic" seems like point of view, but it might mean something that I'm missing. "Annual", perhaps?
  1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Later in that paragraph, "sole survivor" might be unclear for some readers.
  1. I think I got it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Later in that paragraph, there is a bizarre sentence: "The event also marked the return of the Undertaker, whom had been absent because of a storyline where Orton had killed him on an episode of SmackDown!." It acknowledges that this is a storyline, but non-wrestling fans might be very confused. Did the storyline also see The Undertaker come back to life, or was he not really dead, or did he just return while dead?
  1. Again, I think I got it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the second paragraph of the "2006-2007" section, the reference for Orton spending four weeks in anger management classes does not mention anger management classes.
  1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the third paragraph of that section, "Following the sabotage of Edge's title opportunities by the newly-reformed D-Generation X" seems like a strange sentence. This is the first mention of Edge, so we know nothing about what this "sabotage" is. "Sabotage" could also be considered point of view, although it might work if there was an explanation of what happened.
  1. I think I covered it. –LAX 10:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Later in that paragraph, "the dominant tag team" is unclear and point of view.
  1. –LAX 10:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Later in that paragraph, why was Orton reluctant to team with Edge?
  1. Simply removed "reluctant." –LAX 10:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the following paragraph, were Michaels' injuries at Judgment Day legitimate?
  1. I think I got it. –LAX 00:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the fifth paragraph of the "2006-2007" section, it says, "enacted his rematch clause". What rematch clause?
  1. –LAX 00:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Are sources available for the first few sentences in the "2008" subsection?
  1. –LAX 00:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. The first sentence of the "Controversy" section is long and should probably be split up.
  1. Also in the "Controversy" section, is a source available for Jindrak defending Orton?
  1. Couldn't find one. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. In the personal life section, "his upper back finishing his shoulders" sounds awkward. I'm not really sure what is being said.
  1. I think I got it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. Also in that section, "the brig" sounds colloquial. Could it be replaced with "military prison" or something (I'm not sure what the proper term is)?
  1. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  1. There appears to be a formatting problem with reference 82. Nikki311 23:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That's all that I can find. One thing that I would recommend is waiting a little while longer before nominating it because of the post-WrestleMania additions that people are making. I hope this helps, GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I see my suggestion has not only been ignored, but the article was nominated before these issues were addressed. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The article hasn't been nominated. It's on the waiting list, but hasn't been nominated. Nikki311 00:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
It was nominated, but it has been removed. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:26, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Sigh. Hopefully nobody will renominate until GCF's comments are addressed. Nikki311 00:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that the week was up and I saw the pre-GA review and I removed the nomination. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Everything seems to be resolved now. The IP edits don't seem to be as big a problem as I thought they would be. I think the article is ready to be nominated. GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Can I nominate it now? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Every comment was addressed and GCF seems to agree. I say go ahead. Nikki311 23:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Alright, cause I don't want to give Nikki a heart attack, from what happened with the Triple H situation. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

GA Pass

I fixed the only problem I saw ... the middle graf of the intro did not cite his OVW career, which might not have been a problem for me except for the fact that the other grafs in the intro cite their sources. So I just took the source from further down and put it there.

Very good work, comprehensive and well-written, sourced meticulously, using free images. My suggestions for improvement should an FA drive be mounted would be to try to get some images (free, of course) of him outside the ring, in the middle of a match, and maybe historic (His official USMC portrait is PD if someone could get it). There are an awful lot of pictures of him standing, shirtless. It needs a little variety. Daniel Case (talk) 23:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll try look for some free-use images and add them to the article. Thanks again for reviewing the article, I really appreciate it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

please update end 2008

in the aretical, there is no history between him and chris jericho. can someone can aad that? 41.243.0.77 (talk) 13:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

That feud didn't add anything to his career, so its not in the article. Not every feud that he has can be noted, or the article would be way too long and just unmanageable. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 16:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Your rationale Nici is laughable. The Orton vs. Jericho build to Armageddon 2007 was featured heavily on television and was portrayed as a high profile match and needs to be noted to keep the page accurate and respectable. I covered the storyline in an edition of The Torch since it held importance. Also missing is his most recent PPV headliner against Triple H at Judgment Day 2008. That too is notable since it was his return match and since it closed the show it is worth noting. Please do not continue to be lazy with your contributions. It gives actual fans a bad name. WadeKeller2012 (talk) 13:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I have to disagree, I think my rationale is correct. Please explain to me exactly what both of those events did of his career? By the way, just because you or anybody else covered something in "The Torch" does not mean that it is notable to their overall career, or is going to be mentioned in the article. Also, please read WP:CIVIL and WP:ATTACK, and please do not call be lazy again. Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 14:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

A Pay-Per-View Main Event against Triple H, of which it's part of an ongoing feud that re-started in March isn't notable? What is it with you "smart" fans that makes you make such poor judgment. Leaving out the two items I previously mentioned makes the article inaccurate and results in poor quality. Just because you as a common fan may not care about the events does not mean you have the right to exclude it. You only make yourself look bad in the process. As someone who works within the industry it is important to include the noteworthy events. These were not throw away Raw bouts that went nowhere. But since you have it in your head that you know more sitting on your couch than people who actually contribute to the men and women of professional wrestling, you do as you please. Your decision is a highly poor one. WadeKeller2012 (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I think his feud with Jericho should be added because it added more "flair" to his "Legend Killer" gimmick. (Gregsalazar818 (talk) 07:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC))

But the feud was cut short. Zenlax T C S 19:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but Chris Jericho isn't really a legend. I mean, come on. The guy might have defeated Stone Cold and Duane Johnson in the same night, and it is a great feat. The fact that WWE lacks in the talent pool is proof of the fact that they have to bring back a washed up guy like Jericho back. He never really did much and being the first Undisputed Champion is his only claim to fame. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Jericho, but he needs more credibility. But, then again, WWE has inducted some other questionable honors into the Hall of Fame (this is my opinion). All in all, Orton's feud with Jericho isn't really notable. It was for a few weeks and he beat the guy and he shut his trap afterwards. The Orton/Cena feud has more credibility of being noted, as Orton has Cena's belt (I call it that not because Cena was stripped of the belt (even though it was about damn time someone else held the title), but because the belt is stupid. I mean, come on, a "spinner" belt? That's a bunch of bunk! They should've changed the belt design by now...sorry, I'm getting into my personal opinion.) Well, there's my thoughts on that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 06:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed this, I haven't signed my posts. I can't remember my old user ID, nor my password, so I'll have to create a new one. Just to address that issue for those of you who get butt hurt because one doesn't sign their post.  ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 06:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes i can see your viewpoint. Yet Even mentioning It should be important because at the time, Orotn had nobody to beat, as Orton proclaimed. So it should get some mention Gregsalazar818 (talk) 04:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, its noted that he won the championship at No Mercy, only to lose it, but win it one more time. The other feuds are only known as "title defenses", therefore not adding notability to the article, as the feuds were very short. But, his loss last night, adds the fact that he's no longer champion. Zenlax T C S 19:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

WrestleMania XXIV victory

I discussed this on the WrestleMania page, but should it be noted that, other than Triple H, Orton is the only other heel to walk out of the title match at WrestleMania with the WWE Championship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That information is mostly considered Trivia and its not allowed on articles; see WP:Trivia. Zenlax T C S 18:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It's a grey area because besides Orton and HHH wouldn't you also have to consider Yokozuna? Yokozuna defeated Bret Hart at Wrestlemania IX to win the WWE championship, Even though Hulk Hogan closed the show as champ it would still be a heel Championship win at Wrestlemania. Also, you may need to include Stonecold Steve Austin. Steve Austin was a heel when he won the WWE championship at Wrestlemania 17 to close the show, as his heel turn actually occurred during the match. So it's really not anything historical or notable.

I see your point. But, as you said, Yoko did NOT walk out with the title (guess I should've said the event instead of match) in his hand, and, Stone Cold, at that point, was gaining momentum as a face. The Submission Match featuring Stone Cold and Bret Hart was, actually, the turning point for Stone Cold's face turn, not the match with Shawn Michaels. I do see your point, though, for not looking at it as notable, but if you look at it, Triple H and Randy Orton are the only two to walk out of WrestleMania with World gold.

I would like to add that his tattoo information would also qualify as trivia. There are a whole bunch of random bits of information on wikipedia that are trivia, but aren't, but this is my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 06:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I would still count Steve Austin defeating The Rock at wrestlemania 17 as a heel ending the show as champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.145.220.220 (talk) 19:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but when you consider the fans cheering Stone Cold on as he beat The Rock to a pulp with a steel chair, he was more along the lines of a tweener if anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 20:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how this conversation is helping or discussing the article at hand, i.e. Randy Orton. Besides it was earlier noted by Zenlax, that even if Orton was the first heel to retain a world championship at WrestleMania, it wouldn't be noted because it's trivia. Also, wikipedia is not a forum, if you wish to continue this conversation, perhaps take it to a real forum? Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I have to ask why trivia isn't allowed on this article. I find no reason there can not be a trivia section. who makes that call? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.145.220.220 (talk) 17:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:Trivia. Zenlax T C S 18:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok then, I'm going to go remove the info on his tattoos. How does it add to the page? Thats trivia, so therfore, not allowed. Killswitch Engage (talk) 03:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
If deleting that sort of information, why not remove the fact that John Cena is a Boston Red Sox fan. The topic was the notability of Orton being the second heel to walk out of WrestleMania as champion, therefore not noted and not reliable. Zenlax T C S 19:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'm sorry for trying to improve this page an take out trivia, which according to that policy, is not permitted. Won't happen again, I'll just leave vandalism next time I see it.Killswitch Engage (talk) 20:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Dude, don't be sarcastic, he was trying to make a point. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Uh, no, I'll be sarcastic if I feel like it, especially when I get attacked for trying to improve the page. Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Um, what exactly did you improve? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I removed usless trivia. And please, make your signature a little smaller as far as the coding goes, it takes up a rediculous amount of space, and makes it hard to find where to start typing. Killswitch Engage (talk) 21:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that's how the article passed GA for you removing the tattoo info. and don't come after my signature because you can't find where I indented at. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I improved the article, I never claimed that it made the page GA. I'll go after your sognature, because of the amount of room on the edit page that it takes up. You call me rude and sarcastic? Pot, kettle, black. Killswitch Engage (talk) 00:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you criticizing the fact that I comment on the talkpage discussions? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

House show pic?

What's the point of that pic? It does nothing for the article. The pictures of him with titles are relevant as are him preforming the RKO and posing. Would anyone object moving the house show pic to the infobox and deleting the current infobox pic? The current infobox pic is quite dark. The house show pic has better lighting. I really see no reason to have it in the article otherwise and the infobox pic is sort of bad IMO. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree; the house show pic should be in the infobox. –LAX 19:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Not to sound "gay" in any sort of way, but the current image does show Orton the best, as oppose to the house show image. Again, I don't want my comments to be taken out of context. Zenlax T C S 20:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd say Orton looks more muscular in the house show pic... Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
He does look different in the house show image. Zenlax T C S 20:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Again with this? Just leave the image alone. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The song is actually called "They Talk To Me" and was written and performed by the WWE's own Jim Johnston. It's in-house, so you won't find much info about it anywhere.

The GothKat

Gothkat (talk) 16:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

New Theme?

Randy Orton's new theme song is "Voices" by Rev Theory —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheepdaaa (talk • contribs) 14:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you people sure that this is the name of the song and band? I searched both on iTunes and the song doesnt exist by the band Rev Theory.Jonathanmbarnes (talk) 04:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)JMB

Haven't seen the whole show, but watching the Cena/Orton match on WWE.com, after he got the pin, the song that played wasn't Burn in my Light, if anyone knows it, should it be added, or given a chance to see if it is used again? ---Вlazzeee 06:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

it should be added even if played for one night its Killswitch Engage - Fixation on the Darkness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.62.217 (talk) 10:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it's The Ripper by Chinchilla. --Gtadood (talk) 13:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed the same debate is taking place across other websites, such as Yahoo Answers, where I attempted to find what it was, however, it seems as though there hasn't been a general consensus yet. However, I agree that I don't think it was Fixation on the Darkness, it's already being used by CM Punk, and it didn't sound like it; I don't think it should be added until it is certain. ---Вlazzeee 15:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Apologies for the previous comment, it wasn't being used for Punk as I've just realised, the latter can be discarded. It has also been added as Fixation on the Darkness now, I should have looked at the page first. ---Вlazzeee 15:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Its Neither You Idiots Its A New Song No One Knows Yet I Have Heard Both And They Are Not His New Song--RKOFAN4LIFE

No personal attacks please. However, I do agree that an agreement needs to be made, and this is why at the start I said that it should wait until it is certain. ---Вlazzeee 17:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
We should definately remove the fixation on the darkness note until we know what the theme music, because it certainly is not that song. I can see why people thought it was The Ripper, but its not. I think its possible the song is completely new, so we should remove the note until we are given a good, citable source.--76.104.252.229 (talk) 17:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Forgot to log in.--ProtoWolf (talk) 17:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
We shouldn't add anything until we recieve confirmation of the title. And CM Punk isn't using Fixation, he's using This Fire (This Fire Burns) by Killswitch Engage.Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
If that was directed at me, about Punk I realised my mistake shortly after and corrected it :). Glad that there is an agreement though, I brought it up as I anticipated wrong information being added, or a possible edit war for no reason. -Вlazzeee 18:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh ya, no prob, just thought I would point it out. I havn't heard the song yet, I'm hoping when I get a chance, I may be able to identify it. Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I vote we don't add it until we get the name of the song and the band who did it. Steveweiser (talk) 18:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, it's "Voices" by Rev Theory Slydogman920 (talk) 11:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

What should we accept as official confirmation? WWE.com? An interview somewhere? Steveweiser (talk) 12:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
If it does become his theme, if he continues to use it, it should be found on a future WWE CD, however, that's a not a suggestion that it needs to wait that long, just saying that is an official confirmation. However, it generally seems as though people believe it is "Voices" by Rev Theory ---Вlazzeee 15:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone told me that WWE Mobile said it was "Voices" by Rev Theory. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 20:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems firmly established that it is "Voices", with many music videos showing it, and his entrance on Youtube -- however, I don't think that it is notable until it is used more than once, or became his entrance theme permenantly. Although it wil be added if it is used just once, I don't think it should be added as of yet. ---Вlazzeee 21:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
If he used it once, how can we say that's his official theme song? If he uses is at Judgment Day and the upcoming weeks, then yeah, I'd be fine to add. But, until now, its notable. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Whats the problem with all of you? Why dont we just add it? Imagine the following - Guy watches Raw on monday. orton comes in with his theme, guy thinks 'hmm, i like that song'. what could be his first place to look for the songs name? right, wikipedia. we can easily delete it, when he doesn't use it anymore. a new entrance theme IS notable. Diivoo (talk) 09:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
What's wrong with you? Don't you read? Speed CG Talk 16:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that there is any problem with leaving it as it is at the moment, as it has only been used the once, that doesn't mean that it will become his entrance theme full time, it could be used to promote Rev Theory for a few weeks, it's unsure at the moment. That being said, a note will be left at some time regardless, as has the "This Fire Burns" under the music; there isn't a rush to add it. Diivoo, that's (partially) why we don't "just add it" yet -Вlazzeee 16:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I just think it is wrong, to keep people in the dark. sure, you know what the song is called. the guys who read the discussion know what the song is called. But why is it ok, to add "This fire burns", which was also used for just a week, but its not ok to add "Voices", which has also been used for one week now? Just because the other one is now used by CM Punk? I think THAT is really not notable. Diivoo (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but the point is that we are unsure of the fate of it at the moment -- it may be used for just one week, however, if not, it won't be added as such. Remember, Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball we don't know what is going to happen, there is little harm in leaving it a week or two, it's still future whether or not it will become his full time theme. -Вlazzeee 18:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I do want to ask, why would Wikipedia be the first main source for information of that sort? My first guess would be WWE.com, not Wikipedia. Zenlax T C S 19:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Now we are sure his theme is "Voices" by Rev Theory, what does the note -- When he debuted the full 'Age of Orton'-- mean? Wasn't/isn't the 'Age of Orton' over since he lost the WWE Championship, and the song debuted after he lost it to HHH? Or is it just to signify the newest stage of his clear, different to the 'Legend Killer'? -Вlazzeee 11:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Will this do as a source? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geWIMcwr-SY Lemon Demon (talk) 11:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
No. Youtube is not a reliable source. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, cause we all know that people edit WWE footage before they post it. Sorry dude, but thems the rules, no matter how crappy they are. Killswitch Engage (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Good point well made. I needed a bash over the head for that one. Unfortunately, however plausible that stuff is (w/ JR's commentary etc. fitting with the motion), some clever dick coulda edited it. Thanks a lot. Lemon Demon (talk) 12:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Double R DDT

He is using this DDT since Wresltemania XXIV. He then did a double Double R DDT. The feet are still on the bottom rope and his opponent is in a front facelock. He then does a DDT. He is the only one who uses it. So I guess it's a signature move.Zaheer12a (talk) 00:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Would you mean a **Rope-hung spike DDT? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 02:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes that is the Double R DDT. On One Night Stand Jim Ross called this DDT a Double R DDT wh nOrton did it on HHH. This is the same as lionsault and moonsault. If Jericho does it it's a lionsault otherwise it's a moonsault.Zaheer12a (talk) 09:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I changed the DDT to Double R DDT but I don't understand why it's changed back. It;s called the Double R DDT. Watch One Night Stand again! When he does this DDT it's called the Double R DDT and not the Rope Hung Spike DDT.

Zaheer12a (talk) 11:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavyn Sykes (talk • contribs)

Randy Orton is Out

Randy Orton is out because of his shoulder's are injuried. Randy Orton will be gone for a while and he will return in September 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.65.177.96 (talk) 02:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, seriously, please stop adding false information. Randy Orton is out with a broken clavicle (also known as the collarbone). His time of recovery is based on his body's ability to heal and upon his will to be rehabilitated enough to rejoin the active roster. For example, observe John Cena who was supposed to be out for well over a year. Truthfully, in accordance with his injury and the time estimated for recovery (one year or more), he shouldn't have returned till this month, yet we saw him return at the Royal Rumble. Stating that he will return in September 2008 when there hasn't even been an announcement as to the current state of his injury or when he will return is in itself false and shouldn't even be stated. Once more, please cease to add these false statements. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② talk 03:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Let's not forget that Wikipedia is NOT a crystal ball. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess technically i may have been right when he was injured with his match of Steven Regal

back in april. May not have fully healed, and then the area where he injured his collar bone

got hit/slammed/hurt again and now it is broken. It's odd that someone deleted my discussion and not citing my other site wasn't enough proof for the above of his injury in his match with Regal.

Whoever deleted it, probably wasn't watching it on TV and didn't bother to atleast say "oh

thats not enough proof". I only think if your not watching it on TV, then why the heck are you on the article, ya know? [[majinsnake|majinsnake]11 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, you do need a source for that claim, that he got "injured" in April. But, adding Raw as a source doesn't make it reliable, since they all seem to be hurt and stuff. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Randy Orton's Return

Randy Orton is supposed to return on August 31 on the Raw/Smackdown supershow.--75.65.177.96 (talk) 23:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Really? What reliable source did you find that says that? –LAX 23:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The source that I found out for his return is on www.sescoops.com.--75.65.177.96 (talk) 01:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The website is not considered a reliable source. For a list of reliable sources for professional wrestling related articles, see here. -- iMatthew T.C. 01:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC

sescoops.com is considered a reliable website for Randy orton's return. Because it tells you everything about him up-to-date.

Lemme get this straight. It is considered reliable because "it tells you everything about Orton up-to-date"? That makes no sense whatsoever. The site is not a reliable source. Period! –LAX 18:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You have to read about Randy orton's return carefully on sescoops.com because it is reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.65.177.96 (talk) 01:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

So you're saying it's reliable because it's reliable. That's circular reasoning. Besides, if his return is that far away, it's not notable anyway. (it probably wouldn't even make the article if it were tomorrow) 3pointswish (talk) 17:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
You are not making any sense. sescoops.com is a dirtsheet website that gives out rumors. Some are true some are not. That is why we cannot use that as a source. –LAX 02:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I would be hesitant to include Orton's latest "injury" in the article. The timing of the report (just before the PPV when Orton announced he would return) and the reported incident itself (thrown 30 feet and only hurt his collarbone?) are suspicious. I just think we need to see a more reliable source than WWE.com (the Baltimore Sun article cites WWE.com as its source) before confirming that this incident actually happened. 68.43.155.95 (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, apparently he was thrown 300 feet. My guess is if thats true, he'd either be dead, or a vegetable. Or at the very least, way more seriously injured than they're reporting. My guess: He got done for a drug test and has been suspended again, and this "injury" is a cover so they don't have to fire him (he's on his last warning). Vince couldn't risk Orton going to TNGay...124.176.230.252 (talk) 12:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

nickname

i don't know if this is legit, but JR has many times called Randy the "Blue Eyed Deamon" --L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 02:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I haven't heard that nickname. If it is "legit", a source is needed. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Disrupting the flow?

I noticed someone (I believe thinkblue) changed the names in the article. Instead of linking "Cowboy" Bob Orton to the Bob Orton, Jr. page, he changed it to say "Cowboy" Bob Orton (Robert Orton, Jr.)

Now there are a few reasons I think this should be changed back. First off, I think it disrupts the flow when reading the article. Secondly, I looked through the discussion pages and I couldn't find any sort of discussion or concensus about it. And lastly, I couldn't find any other wrestling page done in this manner, and I believe the pages are supposed to be consistent with each other.

I wanted to post something here to get some sort of feedback or a vote or something, but I suppose if I don't hear anything then I'm going to chenge them back. HidyHoTim (talk) 01:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

New consensus. See here to make suggestions. Out-of-universe. Featured articles. Have a nice day. -- iMatthew T.C. 01:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, its a new consensus that we have to do. If you see Shawn Michaels' article, you'll see that the "flow" is there as well. Keep in mind that the wrestling names are not one's birth names. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Chapter Names

Maybe instead of just 2003-2004 we should put names for it, because Edge's has it, why don't we add on to it; we could put like Evoloution as the first one, then Legend Killer, then Rated RKO, then Age of Orton. IMO that sounds better than just years --L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 02:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Yah... Do it Kalajan (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

inactive

Is Orton realy inactive because he makes appearences on the Raw brand. Although he is not fit to wrestle he is still used in promos on Raw. Therefor he is not inactive. I am just wandering.Mvpisthebest (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think he would be in the inactive category, since he isn't cleared yet to come back. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Injury

What are people's thoughts about putting the fact that he re-injured himself in a motorcycle accident? CMPunkster (talk) 20:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

See Randy Orton#Personal life. It's already noted. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 20:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

"Re-injured collarbone"

All St. Louis media failed to report anything on it.

Missouri highway patrol has no record of responding to the accident according to their online search.

St. Louis police/fire service also don't know anything about it from media sources contacting them for info before reporting.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch would have reported online if they had concrete proof, Orton is well known there and would be shown some reverence for surviving the near fatal accident.

"bounced and rolled just under 300 feet, landing in a ditch."

"Orton, who was wearing just shorts and a sweatshirt, only sustained the rebroken collarbone"

No road rash after bouncing three hundred feet in shorts; is one point I could make, though there are lots more like it and the above points more than suffice.

Also it just generally feels cheesy and so WWE, in keeping with their storylines (of course)

"When the police and fireman got there, they asked me 'Where's the guy who was in the wreck?' and I said 'It was me.' "Orton, who was wearing just shorts and a sweatshirt, only sustained the rebroken collarbone. "Without a helmet, I would be dead," said Orton. "Now that I have a newborn daughter, so much was going through my head." Orton had one final message for his fans ... "I will ride again."

Jeff Hardy being found unconscious is the same deal - TMZ and the NBC affiliate site pulled the story they posted about it because there was no proof and it was clearly just another angle, the WWE welcomed the attention. They mentioned what media sites posted (then deleted) the stories online on PPV last Sunday.

Nazeing (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Good one. Kalajan 15:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

But this was never mentioned on TV, or turned into a storyline. And Orton was out longer because of it. Surely that means it was legit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.229.131 (talk) 14:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

New article

why the hell is it that when I wrote a perfectly good new article about ortons return to action and saved it it didn't show up when i saved it? Kalajan (talk) 21:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

"Hunting" and "Punt Kick"

In SvR 09 this link says that Orton's finishers are called the "Hunting RKO" and the "Punt Kick". This is my source for the edit I made. I would have referenced it but I do not know how. --Oxico (talk) 21:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

First of all, that's original research. The video game may call it that, but a better source is needed to cover that and there's no verification of those supposed finishers. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Video game violence

In the Controversy section, is that info. about the video game violence really important to include in the article? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's that notable. I mean It goes from a "sex scandal" (pretty notable) to a "video game". What do you think? SteelersFan94 21:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Its pointless to have that. So what? Its not like he got in trouble for saying that, just that he stated that video games should be "violent". Doesn't seem to be that "controversial". --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 Done Agred. SteelersFan94 18:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I'll remove it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

character

wouldn't it be appropriate to add something in about how his character has been tweaked from the "narcisstic self-centered villain" into the cold, heartless, sociopath that he is now 72.38.141.239 (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

No, because that would seem from a point-of-view and would fall, as well, in the original research category. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Years

Instead of putting 2003-2004 and 2005-2006 and stuff like that, we can just put year after year like Rhino's before someone changed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LukasVandelanotte (talk • contribs) 19:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Or how about Evolution, priceless, wwe champion... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalajan (talk • contribs) 15:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I served with Randy Orton in the USMC

Hello.

I served with Randy Orton in the USMC. We were in bootcamp at Parris Island together. As a matter of fact, he was one of my 4 squad leaders during the duration of boot camp. I was the platoon guide, and I worked closely for 3 months with Randy. Very closely. As a matter of fact, I fought him in Pugil Sticks and did in fact knock him off of the bridge in our bought (my only lame claim to fame :-)

Anyway. The article claims that he got a dishonorable discharge and later states that he got a bad conduct discharge. I believe that he may have gotten a general discharge, or at the worst, a bad conduct. He most certainly did not get a dishonorable. Not possible. Dishonorable discharges are for felonious acts. Not minor issues such as Unauthorized Absence (which is what you get charged with if you are gone from work for 29 days or less) If an absence is more than 30 days, then you can get a Desertion charge. The USMC does not use the term AWOL.

(There are some inaccuracies in his biography and I would like to fix them but the article is semi-protected. I would like access so that I can contribute.

I can be reached at <email removed>

Will G.

PS....I don't know how to type four Tildes to sign this note.

Unfortunately, all information added to an article must be sourced by a published reliable source. Therefore, even though you may know him and have an alternate version of what happened, we must use the version published. See WP:OR and WP:V for more information. Nikki♥311 19:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not even sure why this article says he had a dishonorable discharge. If you bothered to read the article where Orton cites his discharge, he claims that he had a bad conduct discharge, not a dishonorable. If you were ever in the service, you would know that they are different. DoomahX (talk) 05:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)DoomahX

yes did receive a dishonorable discharge it is on wwe.com and he also spent 30 days in a marine jail

There's an inconsistency in the article regaring this subject. At one point (Under the "Early Life" heading) it states that he received a Dishonorable Discharge, where under the Personal Life heading it describes it as a Bad Conduct Discharge. As to the comment directly preceeding mine, it is my understanding that WWE.com is not considered a good source, due to the inherent dishonesty of kayfabe.70.62.62.18 (talk) 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, you would be wrong about wwe.com being considered a bad source. As for the discharges, I don't know if there is a difference between those two or which one Orton got. TJ Spyke 03:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there is a difference. I wasn't in the USMC, but I was in the Army and Bad Conduct Discharges and Dishonorable are two different types of Discharges. As for using WWE.com as a source, why not try looking at the Uniform Code of Military Justice as for the difference between the two instead of insisting that one is right "because WWE.com said so."

priceless

why did someone remove the priceless chapter i added - without a reason and without a source saying that he isn't in "priceless" Kalajan (talk) 15:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Its not notable. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

God I keep trying to make a The Legacy chapter but someone keeps taking it away The Gangsta' of Gangsta's - Tha Wolf Of Wolves 14:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gangsterwolf (talk • contribs)

Why is it that though other factions have pages the detailed page on The Legacy is now gone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwnwrestling (talk • contribs) 06:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Orton Boot

I'm pretty sure the specific name of his punt finisher is called the Orton Boot. Then again, is Smackdown vs Raw 2009 a reliable source? --Harvey "Two-Face" Dent (Muhaha!!) 02:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

No, video games are not reliable sources for move names. TJ Spyke 17:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
A Commentator calls this Sweet Chin Music on WWE. Powerzilla (talk) 18:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
That's Shawn Michaels. SimonKSK 21:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The Viper

I keep trying to add The Viper to Orton's nicknames but someone keeps removing it. If you have watched RAW recently, you'll have noticed Cole has been increasing referring to Orton as The Viper, not describing his actions as viper-like, but actually calling him The Viper. In addition, most online sites are publishing articles calling him The Viper as well, so can someone stop removing it when I add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samee23 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

They also call him The Blue Eyed Demon. Kalajan€·₣ 14:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

There you go. He's definitely called The Viper now. So don't bother changing it again.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Samee23 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The Legacy

I'm in the process of creating a separate wiki page for The Legacy. Just posting a reminder for myself and others if they want to help out. Lemon Demon (talk) 11:42, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

The consensus at WP:PW is that they are not notable enough for their own article. Hence why The Legacy (professional wrestling) redirects to Orton's article. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 08:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Anyway I've got the article in my sandbox ready to jump out at moment's notice. Kalajan€·₣ 14:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Well were is it? Mecha13 (talk) 15:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, i think that bit about making "Legacy" official after the match against triple H and batista is wrong. It was still in the process of recruiting then wasn't it? Then Sim Snuka wanted in, but he and Manu got booted out and Ted DiBiase came back and that's when it came official. Annaya128 (talk) 03:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Ya its now officially a stable especially since they now have a Legacy T-Shirt.

I tried to create a page the other day, but it got reverted back to Orton's page. Consensus is needed, I guess. CollisionCourse (talk) 08:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

intermittent Explosive Disorder

You should note that Orton has intermittent Explosive Disorder:

Randy Orton has the rare mental illness known as intermittent Explosive Disorder, he is incapable of controlling his rage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.241.20 (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Got logged OUT - AGAIN! Powerzilla (talk) 18:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
WP is acting really strange. Could be on my end? Powerzilla (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Does he REALLY have IED??

I know he mentioned it a few times on TV, but that's just TV. I'm aware of how slightly scripted the WWE shows probably are (& I mean probably, 'cause I'm not sure about it), and I don't believe EVERYTHING on TV. So I'm wondering does he REALLY have the disorder. Like for real, not on TV.

If he really does, can you mention it under personal life.

68.198.28.205 (talk) 20:36, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Return without wrestling

Is it really not notable that before he returned from his injury, Randy appeared in a primarily speaking role? Mostly I'm thinking of costing Punk the WHC at Unforgiven; being involved in a title change is notable surely? Tony2Times (talk) 16:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd say that's more notable than a lot of his active time. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

HHH vs ORton

HELLOOOOOOO!!!! Why is the Orton HHH fued not updated? Come on people! He has taken out every mcmahon and HHH on multiple occasions, HHh got arrested and Now Orton kissed an unconsious STephanie while HHH was Handcuffed! What more do you all want!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 00:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Feuds are not added until they are completed, as more could happen before the conclusion. Thanks, RebirthThom 18:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
It is also considered week-by-week. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Week by Week can still be added because the rule only states it has to be in reason. Orton vs HHH is huge so that is one case where a lot should be listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 18:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, the feud hasn't ended and its not notable. When it ends, it will be added, due to the extremity that its led too. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

No offense but thats very stupid... its better to go week by week... you guys need a life... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkorichard (talk • contribs) 16:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Please read and adhere to WP:NPA. Telling other editors that they "need a life" is not acceptable, and is not likely to persuade anyone to listen to what you have to say. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 12:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
That's why I didn't respond. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

telling people their information is useless and not needed isnt nice either now is it? miss i own wikipedia boo hoo.

Where did 'Blue or I tell someone that there information is "useless"? Please don't put words in my mouth - or 'Blue's either for that matter. Also, stop attacking other editors. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 16:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

thats right nici... stop attacking other editors like myself. Rkorichard (talk) 00:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Dude, you need to stop this. This is not acceptable, whatsoever. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thats right it isnt acceptable, whatsoever, nici... stop it! Rkorichard (talk) 06:13, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Randy Orton "LEGEND KILLER"

Not that it's something very important but he is the legend killer and you did not mention the legends that he has RKO-ed like mick foley,dusty rhodes etc....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.217.32.163 (talk) 20:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Backlash 2009

Under the 2008-Present heading, it should be noted that on the April 6th RAW Mr. McMahon said that there will be a 6-man tag match between the teams of Randy Orton and The Legacy/Priceless vs. Triple H,Dave Batista (originally said to be Vincent Kennedy McMahon, said by himself at the beginning of the 4/6/2009 RAW), and Shane McMahon for the WWE Championship, and that now full-time GM of RAW, Vickie Guerrero added the stipulation that if either side has anyone but the champ or challenger score a pinfall on an opposing member, that teams champion or challenger (HHH or Orton) will win the World Heavyweight Championship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.157.195.66 (talk) 20:58, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Backlash is a future event. Also, keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a news site. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Also keep in mind that you don't own Wikipedia to decide what goes on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkorichard (talk • contribs) 04:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

You might want to keep in mind that not everything that happens is notable to include, or else this article would be extremely long. Like I said above, Wikipedia is not a news site. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

dont get me wrong, i agree that everything being said prob doesnt need to be on the site... but you guys are mean to these people... you could be nicer about telling them their info isnt needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkorichard (talk • contribs) 00:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, but how are we being mean? It's you that's insulting 'Blue, not the other way around. 'Blue is calmly stating wikipedia guidelines, and you show up to accuse her of thinking that she owns the site and attack her. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 16:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, see? blue is a nice person, she handled my comment in a nice way... explained why she said what she said... and it was over, i explained why i said what i said, and it was over again.. then you come on here saying "alert, alert, dont attack others" :) its over nici take your threats and chill pillz and stop attacking me. Rkorichard (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

First of all, what other's comment here or elsewhere, I explain to them in the way it needs to be explained, as does Nici. Also, Nici wasn't attacking you, she was telling you to cut it out, and I'm telling you as well. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:25, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

oh my oh my oh my, just because you dont see it as an insult means its not an insult? OMG I FORGOT YOU ARE THE WIKIPEDIA GOD!!! Rkorichard (talk) 06:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Headers

Could we not have some more interesting and indicative headers to the subsections in his wrestling career? I was thinking of extending the first one to either "The following night Evolution threw..." or "Orton began an on-screen" and making the header "Evolution". The following section would be something like "Going solo" up until after he defeated Hogan, then "Rated-RKO" for up until the end of his feud with Michaels, then "WWE Championship" up until his injury and finally "The Legacy" for his return from injury to present. His storylines are all pretty long and thus those headers are accurate, plus it just makes it more interesting and more of a narrative that way. Any objections? Tony2Times (talk) 21:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

There's a reason why there aren't any headers on the article. The titles "The following night Evolution thew", "Orton began an on-screen", "Going solo", etc., are not good headers, their POV. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Did you read my point? Those parts were where I was suggesting the sections should be realigned to. My suggestions for the headers were "Evolution", "Going solo" (or a better one), "Rated-RKO", "WWE Championship" and "The Legacy". These aren't POV, they describe the bulk of the period they header. Tony2Times (talk) 18:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Tony2, you make a good point because most of the other articles have interesting subheaders. I've seen Thinkblue before, he's one of those people who hates updates and changes in order to make all the articles bad. 71.185.187.183 (talk) 02:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Personal attacks are not appreciated. And ThinkBlue is a good editor and she, nor anyone else on Wikipedia that's not a vandal wishes articles to look bad. It may be your opinion that articles that follow WP guidelines look bad. That's irrelevant. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Is it against WP Guidelines to include an actual header rather than just a bi annual divide? I think it'd be better to have abritrary splits based on storylines and his career than mere calendar appropriated divisions. Tony2Times (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
To my knowledge it's not and I prefer it to the current system. My above comment wasn't meant to specifcally to address the naming system. It was more towards that IP's attitude. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I didn't think that bit was towards me but seeing as you were talking about policy I thought I'd ask. I just put in those headers to see what they look like, I don't think they're too shabby aside from the Rated-RKO one/Age of Orton one; I didn't think the Rated-RKO section was long enough for its own section. Tony2Times (talk) 22:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

"Evolve" theme song

What source says this is the official title of the theme song used by Evolution prior to them using "Line In The Sand" by Motorhead? Did someone find this from Jim Johnston's BMI page? If not, then I believe this needs to be removed or replace stating that it's title is unknown at this time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.78.3.47 (talk) 01:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life

Under personal life is there a way to add those who Orton has been romantically linked with? I have some clips about female wrestlers, wrestlers family members, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mroseanne (talk • contribs) 13:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia is not the place for stuff like that. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Funny, because I see this on others sites like Hardy, Edge, and CM Punk. Please kid, you obviously don't use the site much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkorichard (talk • contribs) 04:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

In which case, the information is backed up by verifiable, reliable sources. As an aside, ThinkBlue is a regular contributor to wikipedia with over 35,000 edits to her name - obviously she uses the site quite a bit. Please don't throw around random, patronising comments about other editors without checking your information first. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 12:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Nici, just because she has a lot of post doesn't mean she could be nicer about stuff... and who is to say that this person didnt have a reference or something to back it up?? i didnt even know blue was a girl... lol im just wishing you guys would be nicer to the people that are saying things and your being rude to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkorichard (talk • contribs) 00:59, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I fail to see how 'Blue has been anything but civil on this talk page. I wish I could say the same for you. Unfortunately, I am not a mind-reader, and neither to the best of my knowledge is anyone else on this site. Unless someone provides a source for us to see, we cannot judge the information for verifiability and accuracy, and therefore it does not get added. This is standard policy.

See? you just insulted me... you can be nicer... and then sending a message "warning" me? plz... Nici i was being civil in explaining but you keep saying "your just being rude" ok that was my argument about you and your proving it... on another part of this i saw blue say "there is a reason this and that isnt on here" but her reasons didnt even relate to what the guy posted... i think blue is probably a nice person, i cant say the same about you as you have not even tried to see my side of it... Rkorichard (talk) 23:36, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

"There's a reason why there aren't any headers on the article. The titles "The following night Evolution thew", "Orton began an on-screen", "Going solo", etc., are not good headers, their POV. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 16:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Did you read my point? Those parts were where I was suggesting the sections should be realigned to. My suggestions for the headers were "Evolution", "Going solo" (or a better one), "Rated-RKO", "WWE Championship" and "The Legacy". These aren't POV, they describe the bulk of the period they header. Tony2Times (talk) 18:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tony2, you make a good point because most of the other articles have interesting subheaders. I've seen Thinkblue before, he's one of those people who hates updates and changes in order to make all the articles bad. 71.185.187.183 (talk) 02:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)"

see? thats the point im getting across... im not insulting anyone.. im telling you guys, stop insulting people who dont agree with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkorichard (talk • contribs) 23:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Dude, seriously, you need to stop this. Stop trying to create fights, like I've told you, this isn't the place for it. Also, you need to stop this "I'm a victim" scenario. No one has insulted you, you've been told stop your actions, which quite frankly I don't see as an insult. To be honest, you replying to my comment above, "Funny, because I see this on others sites like Hardy, Edge, and CM Punk. Please kid, you obviously don't use the site much", is kind of an insult, cause you obviously don't know me. Also, you were warned for a reason. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

boo hoo i was warned wahhh wahhh Rkorichard (talk) 06:10, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Early life section

Is there a reason why his birthday is listed in this section when it is the introduction and the infobox with the same citations? Just curious.(MgTurtle (talk) 14:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC))

I understand its mentioned in the lead and in the infobox, but its also helpful if its mentioned in the early life section. Other wrestling articles like Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Stacy Keibler, Stephanie McMahon, etc., have their birth dates and no one has complained made mention about it. I don't see the problem with this article having it, too. Also, this version is what prompted me to restore his birth date. Its never a good idea to remove references that are used throughout the article. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


I don't see anything wrong with having it where it is either, I actually think the article, as it is, is very good. Rkorichard (talk) 18:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Summer Slam 2009

June 15? Its Almost Agust shouldn't it be metioned that Cena and Orton will fight for the WWE champion at Summerslam 09?????????????????????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.81.66 (talk) 22:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

We don't add future events. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Randy Orton's Nicknames

Over the last few months Michael Cole has given Randy Orton 2 new monikers or nicknames and they are: "The Viper" and "The Apex Predator of the WWE" i know that the viper is already up but should the apex predator be up as well? just asking. (RKOLegacy (talk) 12:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC))

And also why isn't "The Legend Killer" in bold anymore the WWE official website call him that almost in every article. (RKOLegacy (talk) 14:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC))

Well, I think his additional nickname should be listed as the "The WWE's Apex Predator" rather than just "The Apex Predator" as Michael Cole very rarely refers to him solely by "The Apex Predator", rather the full moniker involving the WWE's name. (Ameerican (talk) 16:19, 30 March 2010 UTC))

    • It is used mostly as "WWE's Apex Predator", and the other one is just a shorter version. So, if PW Torch can be considered a suitable source, i'll add it. DinobotTM2 (talk) 06:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Survivor Series

it should be noted he was an alternate in the smackdown vs raw match because eddie guerrero passed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.60.4 (talk • contribs)

Its not called AWOL in the Marine Corps

The United States Marine Corps calls the idea of 'AWOL' "Unauthorized Absence" or UA for short. Just a little change, but Marines know the difference and should be reflected as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncontested (talk • contribs) 16:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

August 17 edition of Raw

Orton beat Benoit in a rematch from SummerSlam 2002 the next night on Raw. I thought it was still kind of notable, and it was missing. I added that bit of detail with a citation, but if it's not needed, feel free to take it out.45g (talk) 06:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Signatures

You should add the Scoop Slam to his singnature moves, as he usually does that in every match? Ihmine (talk) 20:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Got a source?--WillC 01:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TV_Reports_9/article_39283.shtml Does this count?

Early life

Randy orton also has dated Milena Leticia Roučka and broke up . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.172.183.130 (talk) 16:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you please provide a verifiable, reliable source for that information? It cannot be added to the article otherwise, due to the biographies of living persons policy. Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Randy Orton High School

Randy Orton went to Hazelwood WEST High School at #1 Wildcat Lane, not Hazelwood Central. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.156.111 (talk) 03:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Wrong, Orton attended Hazelwood Central High School. His bio on WWE.com supports it, as does this source. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Big Red

Randy Orton is starring in a new movie called "Big Red" produced by WWE films http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=63474 - KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 17:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Randy Orton Face Turn

Legacy attacked Orton last RAW, so he is now face —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.117.247 (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

That's yet to be seen. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

He cheered quite a lot on last night's raw, so I would say he is a face. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.17.34 (talk) 14:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, he might have been cheered last night, but that still doesn't prove anything. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:27, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
It's not enough to say the WWE turned him face. We have to wait. –Turian (talk) 17:35, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Update the article

Can someone put in the fact that Randy's the 2009 PWI wrestler of the year in the article under accomplishments and championships? Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWI_Wrestler_of_the_Year (RKOLegacy (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC))

 Done –Turian (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia can not source itself. You must have evidence he won the award directly from PWI.--WillC 20:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
It is sourced. –Turian (talk) 20:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
No it isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.74.173 (talk) 15:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Liamo.sheehan, 16 April 2010

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Say that Orton became a fan favorite the night after Wrestlemania 26 after John Cena announced him as his tag team partner against Batista and Jack Swagger and that Orton won the match by pinning Swagger Liamo.sheehan (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Just because Cena announced him as his tag team partner the night after doesn't mean that Orton is a fan favorite. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

No, he's definitely a face. The announcers put him over as such and if you've been watching Raw, he gets the reaction of a face. Ksefan1122 (talk) 20:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

There are popular heels. Think of Stone Cold, he was a heel for almost his entire career, but he gets cheered all the time. –Turian (talk) 21:56, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

TWEENER?

Wouldn't Randy Orton be a "tweener" because of the fact that he RKO's whoever he wants... from raw guest hosts to Edge and other superstars.CROSSFIRE96 00:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Shoulder dislocation

Randy didn't dislocate his shoulder, his shoulder was separated. They are two different things. Will someone please change this? MaraquanWocky1 (talk) 23:08, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Chris Jericho's Return

There's no mention of Chris Jericho's feud with Randy Orton upon his return to WWE. His history goes from his feud with Shawn Michaels, which culminated at Survivor Series, to the match against Jeff Hardy at Royal Rumble, skipping that year's Armageddon where he defeated Chris Jericho to retain the WWE Championship. Considering the amount of attention paid to Jericho's return, I think this rivalry should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.54.116 (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Nothing noticeable occurred during that feud. This, however, fits better at Jericho's article page. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Face Turn(2010-2013)

After his feud with legacy at the Royal rumble and the Elimination Chamber he'll face them at Wrestlemania 26 becoming a face in the process —Preceding unsigned comment added by DXJORDAN1 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Orton turning face is not noticeable. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:42, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

he's been getting cheered and teamed up with John Cena on Raw, Randy in now a face. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.17.34 (talk) 15:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Still not noticeable. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
And it is way too early to make judgments about the situation. You can't see the forest from the trees. –Turian (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it is pretty damn noticeable if Randy, who was one of the most booed people in WWE, turns face. MaraquanWocky1 (talk) 20:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes

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Return to singles competition

Orton competed in the WWE paper-view "Money in the Bank" but came up short. The following night Orton became the #1 contender for Sheamus's WWE Championship by winning a Triple Threat match against Edge and Chris Jericho —Preceding unsigned comment added by G064 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

We don't add every loss, and we don't add week-by-week events. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Powerslam

Someone should add snap powerslam, or a scoop slam to his signatures. Very commonly used by Orton.

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/wwerawreport/article_42593.shtml http://www.pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/wwerawreport/article_42595.shtml Eemiva (talk) 00:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Swinehouse, 20 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} On Night of Champions in 2010, Randy Orton participated in a Six-Pack Challenge match and out of the five other participants, pinned Chris Jericho, Wade Barrett and finally, Sheamus to win his fourth WWE title reign, and seventh overall world title reign. Swinehouse (talk) 03:58, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 04:33, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Picture caption

The picture depicting Randy Orton at Wrestlemania is captioned as his entrance. Actually, it was his victory pose. 187.152.94.237 (talk) 01:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Adding Olympic Slam as new signature move

Orton has been doing the Olympic slam for almost two weeks now, so I'm adding the Olympic slam as his signature move, here are the sources: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W1WlCvdzvM and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN18_z__SGg Kouji nakajima omori (talk) 14:56, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Those links can't be used as sources due to WP:LINKVIO. Please provide reliable sources before adding that information to the article again. You can see a listing of reliable wrestling-related sources at WP:PW/SG#Sources. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 18:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Powerbomb

Randy Orton has been using the powerbomb recently and I have been wondering if it should be added? Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Let's give a little more time. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Chasz90, 22 January 2011

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Add that after Orton lost the Championship to the Miz they have been fueding ever since,the Miz always trying to one up Orton and having Alwx Riley fight his battles. 

                                        RKO

Chasz90 (talk) 03:08, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Skier Dude (talk) 05:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Sausage077, 23 January 2011

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Sausage077 (talk) 13:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. NiciVampireHeart 13:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Sausage077, 23 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} At TLC Orton had a rematch to get his title back but was unsuccesesful due to Alex Riley's interference. Orton and Miz will meet again at Royal Rumble for the title.

Sausage077 (talk) 13:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

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Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Please provide reliable sources that support this change. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 16:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Feud with CM Punk (2011)

At the Royal Rumble, CM Punk cost Orton an opportunity to regain the WWE Title. Then on the next night on Raw Punk said " The reason why I did what I did is because you punted me in the head at Unforgiven and cost me my World Title. So, Orton punted Husky Harris in the head for what Punk had did at the Royal Rumble. So at the Elimination Chamber Punk had eliminated Orton. Then on the next week on Raw Orton punted Michael McGullicuty.Irt is official CM Punk vs Randy Orton at Wrestlemania 27. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tman819126 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

For me, I think it is unnecessary to put it in as a new section, since Randy Orton's previous feuds were not stated as sections. UserTalk 14:25, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Return to SmackDown(2011-present)

on April 4th 2011 Randy Orton was drafted back to the SmackDown brand.

Actually, it was April 25, 2011, and it's already noted in the article, complete with source. NiciVampireHeart 16:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

On SmackDown, Randy Orton and Christian defeated Brodus Clay and Alberto Del Rio. It's to air on tape delay on Friday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.126.135.230 (talk) 19:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Yea, so?   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 13:13, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Randy orton captured the world title defeting christian marking for the second time its to air on tape delay on may the 6th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.125.56.134 (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
And this helps improve the article how, exactly?   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 12:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
THANK YOU Arc...--UnquestionableTruth-- 13:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Seriously? Are you suggesting that we should leave out said information? Yes, it was redundant of them to bring it up here since it was already in the article at the time of their edit, but it's fairly obvious why they were posting it. Comments like "Yea, so?" and "And this helps improve the article how, exactly?" aren't all that helpful themselves. You could have a left a note saying "That won't be included because it's a non-notable, week-by-week result" or "we need a reliable soure for all spoiler information to be included in articles". Your comments give nothing for the editors to seize upon to help improve their editing or gain a better understanding of how wikipedia works. If your comments aren't helpful, perhaps you should re-think posting them in future. NiciVampireHeart 13:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Guests cannot edit the page!

Come on. He's only Randy Orton! 86.184.86.42 (talk) 21:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

You can make a request for someone to edit Varghoo (talk) 15:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

It's quite all right. I can see why it had to be locked. WWE fanboys and trolls love editing nonsense on certain wrestling related pages.86.184.86.42 (talk) 21:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

randy orton

Randy orton is a great wrestler and he is very influential person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polly908 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

wrestlersincara.blogspot.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smackdown Superstar Sin Cara (talk • contribs) 08:09, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 December 2011

Please add another sentence after the sentence "During the tapings on the December 27 edition of Smackdown, Orton sustained a back injury during another match against Barrett, the injuries taking out Orton for a number of weeks ." after the sentence, please write the sentence "In actuality, Orton has failed the WWE Wellness Test for the third time, and WWE is considering firing him.


Awsomeman181 (talk) 22:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Bryce (talk | contribs) 00:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Randy Orton Wellness Test

OMG wikipedia sucks now, I'm not even going to bother posting what I was going to post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.160.175.165 (talk) 10:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC) 

.مصارع محترف--46.60.58.90 (talk) 11:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Early Life

The article says :

Orton is of English, Scots-Irish, German, and Dutch Descent

There, he expressed his Christian faith by telling another marine that he "better believe in Jesus." 

The full quote was “You better believe in Jesus, boy.”  I don’t think he was “expressing his Christian faith” so much as trying to intimidate somebody. The implication being that baring divine intervention, the guy was going to get hurt. I am requesting that this passage simply be deleted outright.

Done Not a very reliable source either. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 04:41, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

A correction needs to be made here. Randy Orton was scheduled to star in Marine 3 Homefront but has now been pulled from the movie by WWE. The reason for this is cause of bad history with the Marines. As this article correctly states Orton was discharged from the Marines after going AWOL on two occasions. After WWE announced that he would be starring in this movie some of the soldiers from his Marine days started complaining. Their voices were heard as of today, April 3rd, 2012, WWE has announced that Randy Orton has now been pulled from the movie.

Suspended 60 days for violating wellness policy

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1202831-wwe-announces-that-randy-orton-has-been-suspended-for-60-days — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.191.138 (talk) 04:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Typo?

In the theme songs section it says he used the Rated RKO theme as "apart of Rated RKO". Shouldn't it be "a part", whereas "apart" would mean the opposite? --78.62.181.245 (talk) 19:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 July 2012

In the article it says he was suspended for smoking marijuana he wasn't in his dvd it says he was suspended for rolling a joint and trying to hide it in his bag. 67.239.114.175 (talk) 22:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

The url cited suggests the source may not have been reliable. It is impossible to verify that, since the link is dead. I've simply removed the sentence. Rivertorch (talk) 05:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

In wrestling

add the Jumping knee drop,Gutwrench elevated neckbreaker and the Lou Thesz Press — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.105.126.233 (talk) 23:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The jumping knee drop is the only actually not there. Do you have a reliable source for that move? Varghoo (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

    1. The Punt Kick is formally Randy Orton's finishing maneuver, though its been banned, add it back to the finisher moves — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.87.26.42 (talk) 09:21, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Accomplishments in the lead

Why his accomplishments haven't be stated in the lead like other wrestler's pages? We should write how many titles he won and how many times he became world champion like other superstar's pages.--Rimara (talk) 03:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


I told the author of thee page all his title reins..^ CierraO'Shields (talk) 22:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC)Cierra

Punt kick

The reason he doesn't use it anymore is because it was banned due to "concussion awareness".

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2012/5/23/3039384/randy-orton-says-his-patented-punt-is-banned-due-to-concussion

It also says chair shots to the head were banned for the same reason, though that's not Orton-related. Spartan198 (talk) 12:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 June 2013

I would like to ask that a few things be changed on the Randy Orton Page. I would first ask that Randy Orton's height and weight be changed. He is 6 foot and 5 inches tall and is 235 pounds. (I got that from WWE.com, Randy Ortons Profile.) Also The Legacy Debut on January 5,2009 an Disbanded on April 27 of 2010. The Legacy theme song was 'It's a New Day' by Adelitas Way. Lastly, Randy Orton has been WWE Champion (Four times) World Heavyweight Champion (9 Times) Intercontinental Champion(One time, 210 days, Armageddon, Mick Foley was the Guest Referee, December 14, 2003, Def. Rob Van Dam), WWE Tag Team Champion (Rated RKO) 2009 Royal Rumple, Last eliminating Triple H.

CierraO'Shields (talk) 22:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC) Cierra

Partly done: Height and weight changed after verification. The rest not done: he has not won the WHC 9 times, he has won the WWE Championship 6 times, not 4 times, no sources provided for information, etc. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 07:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 July 2013

Orton is of English, Scots-Irish, German, and Dutch desentant.

173.63.176.114 (talk) 02:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --ElHef (Meep?) 03:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Four WHC Reigns

On 02/07/14 episode of Raw, the WWE put up a graphic calling Orton a 3 time World Heavyweight Champion. To me, that's a sign that winning a unification match does not count as a reign for the dissolving title. I'm willing to do the leg work and change the ten to fifteen pages where it counts, but I don't feel like doing all that work just to get reverted. Any arguments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.66.190 (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to log in first. Crispy385 (talk) 22:17, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

'Cowboy' Bob Orton

FYI; Mu husband remembers your Grandfather when he was growing up in Armourdale, Ks.

Kay Barker

kaybarker228@yahoo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.143.53.123 (talk) 16:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2014

WWE World Heavyweight Champion (2013-2014) On July 14 at Money in the Bank, Orton defeated Christian, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Rob Van Dam, and Sheamus to win the WWE Championship Money in the Bank ladder match, thus earning him an opportunity to challenge for the WWE Championship at a time of his choosing within the next year.[247] On August 18 at SummerSlam, Orton turned heel after he cashed in his Money in the Bank contract on Daniel Bryan, who had just won the WWE Championship and had been subsequently attacked by special guest referee Triple H, who also counted the pinfall to give Orton his seventh WWE title.[248] The following night on Raw, Orton was endorsed as the "face of the company" by Vince McMahon and the newly formed Authority (Triple H and Stephanie McMahon).[249] On September 15 at Night of Champions, Orton lost WWE Championship back to Bryan,[250] however, Triple H stripped Bryan of the title the next night on Raw, due to a fast count by referee Scott Armstrong, but refused to give the championship back to Orton.[251] Orton and Bryan faced off for the vacant title on October 6 at WWE Battleground, but the match ended in a no contest after Big Show interfered and knocked out both men.[252] Orton once again challenged Bryan for the vacant championship at Hell in a Cell, where he was successful in regaining the WWE Championship after the special guest referee Shawn Michaels superkicked Bryan for attacking Triple H.[253] On November 24 at Survivor Series, after successfully defending the title against Big Show, Orton was confronted by World Heavyweight Champion and long-time rival John Cena.[254] The following night on Raw, Cena suggested that there should only be "one champion" in WWE, so Triple H stated there would be a unification match at the TLC pay-per-view.[255] On December 15, Orton defeated Cena at TLC to unify both titles, and becoming the first WWE World Heavyweight Champion as well as officially being recognized as the final World Heavyweight Champion.[256] Orton made his first successful title defense as WWE World Heavyweight Champion on January 26, 2014, at the Royal Rumble, defeating Cena in a rematch after interference by by The Wyatt Family.[257] On February 23 at Elimination Chamber, Orton defeated Cesaro, Christian, Daniel Bryan, John Cena, and Sheamus to retain his WWE World Heavyweight Championship and secure his position in the title bout at WrestleMania XXX against Royal Rumble winner Batista.[258] On April 6 at Wrestlemania XXX, the main event was changed to a triple threat match after Bryan defeated Triple H, and won the match after submitting Batista to end Orton's reign at 161 days.

Evolution Reunion (2014-Present) The following night on Raw, Orton and Batista were each denied a rematch for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship and instead were forced by The Authority to team together to face WWE Tag Team Champions The Usos for the title, despite their issues with one another. The title match ended in a double count-out after the two united and delivered a beat-down to the. On the April 14 edition of Raw, Batista, Triple H and Randy Orton came down to the ring to attack The Shield after their 11-on-3 handicap match, using the name and the theme of Evolution. 112.200.50.94 (talk) 05:17, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Please also provide reliable sources for any changes you request. --ElHef (Meep?) 13:22, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

A small change please

I am sure orton was the last holder of wwe championship before it became unified, not the world heaveyweight championship, because cena beat del rio for the world heaveyweight championship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.82.32 (talk) 17:32, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Feud with Seth Rollins (2015-present)

On the march 9th edition of raw, Orton turned on Rollins by Flipping Rollins off and attacked Rollins after they lost a handicap match to roman reigns, thus remaining a Face. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharpshooter3000 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2015

modify billed weight fron 245 to 250 lb., according to wwe.com. Also, Orton is presented from last Monday Night Raw as weighting 250lbs. 79.117.160.247 (talk) 20:54, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Amortias (T)(C) 00:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2015

Randy Orton has always been referred to by the WWE as Randal Kenneth Orton not Randal Keith Orton.

154.20.74.235 (talk) 19:39, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.. I searched the entire WWE website [2] and could not find any mentions of "Kenneth" being his middle name, but I did find one article that refers to him as "Keith". Did you see a different mention of his middle name elsewhere? If so, list it here and reactivate this edit request. Altamel (talk) 00:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

grade 12 move

Tonight on the 27 July Raw I think it was Michael Cole who called a move he did against Kevin Owens a 'grade 12' or something sounding like it. He held him in his arms and them threw him overhead in a slam.

Not sure name of move but should we add this name to the wrestling section? Ranze (talk) 02:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Announcer tally

Tonight in a title match against Seth Rollins for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship you hear Michael Cole call him a 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion, and JBL said he could walk out a 13-time one if he wins.

Randy Orton#Championships and accomplishments says:

  • World Heavyweight Championship (4 times, final champion)
  • WWE (World Heavyweight) Championship (8 times)

This indicates that holding the WHW championship qualifies as having held it. Ranze (talk) 03:02, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

12 time WWE World Heavyweight Champion

@LM2000: in Special:Diff/691955070 has removed reliably sourced information supporting Randy Orton being considered a 12-time WWEWHW champ:

Burdick, Michael (2 April 2015). "Who deserves to challenge Seth Rollins for the WWE World Heavyweight Title?". Randy Orton is a 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion.
"Extreme Rules". WWE.com. Archived from the original on 26 April 2015. WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins battles 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton in a Steel Cage Match in which the RKO will be banned.
"Extreme Rules". WWE.com. Archived from the original on 28 April 2015. WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins defeated 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Randy Orton in a Steel Cage Match in which the RKO was banned.
Burdick, Michael (23 August 2015). "Sheamus def. Randy Orton". WWE.com. Retrieved 23 November 2015. Yet no matter what he threw at Orton , the 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion would not give in.</ref>

I seek consensus that this is a reliable reason to call him a 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. WWE has consistently done so.

Objections to doing this are based on original research, a misinterpretation of only the WWE Championship lineage of the WWEWHW title counting. Ranze (talk) 07:29, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Crash Underride: since you've indicated reading this talk, wondering about your opinion on how we could more neutrally present this data. I think the sources are worth using, even if they should not be used as I did earlier.
I have been doing some further research into this in my time off, and have discovered some conflicting sources within the WWE which makes me question my earlier conclusions. While Michael Burdick (in April and August) and whoever wrote the Extreme Rules descriptions (in April) do refer to Orton as a 12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion, we also have http://www.wwe.com/classics/the-longest-reigning-wwe-world-heavyweight-champions/page-5 from April which says "Number of reigns: Eight" + "Eight reigns in the books" written by Ryan Murphy and Zach Linder.
I don't know enough about WWE.com staff or reporters to know who outranks whom. So off-hand I can't say whose testimony is more reliable here. So rather than state outright "Orton is an X-time champion" would there be a neutral way in which we can convey to readers how WWE has alternatively described him as 12-time or 8-time, either including or excluding his World Heavyweight Championship reigns?
Considering many so-called multi-time WWE World Heavyweight Championships were won back before it was called this (either as WWF or WWE) perhaps we could just state x-time on Wikipedia by whatever name it was known when they won it and then report the different ways in which they are consolidated by WWE.com staffers? Ranze (talk) 01:03, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
If we're talking this section, I think it should be left alone. If we're talking about the lead where it talks about him being a #-time world champion. I would say "He is a former 12-time World Heavyweight Champion, having held the World Heavyweight Championship 4 times and the WWE (World Heavyweight) Championship 8 times" and of course have them each linked since when he held them they were to separate titles. But that's just me, I get confused with the WWE and their title lineage, they've had so many mergers and splits it's ridiculous. Crash Underride 01:35, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure if we should uppercase it though. Although the WWE Championship was both a world championship and a heavyweight championship, thus a "world heavyweight championship", I don't think it was used as a proper title, so it could create confusion with the "World Heavyweight Championship" that existed until a couple years ago. The issue is though that while Linder/Murphy say at http://www.wwe.com/classics/the-longest-reigning-wwe-world-heavyweight-champions/page-8 "Cena has already cemented his spot as a defining World Champion — should he win the title one more time, he’ll be tied for Ric Flair with 16 total reigns." acknowledging WWE/WHW/WWE+WHW as world championships, Michael Burdick went a step further in acknowledging Orton's WHW reigns as WWEWHW reigns, and that interpretation was used in the Extreme Rules promos, just as it is on Cena's WWE.com profile.
I'm not really arguing that we should develope a theory to ALWAYS consider former WHW reigns as former WWEWHW reigns, but there is evidence that world title reigns are counted by official WWE staffers for Cena/Orton/Rock/Sheamus specifically. Perhaps there is unique criteria a wrestler must fulfil before WHW reigns are countable in total WWEWHW reigns and only these 4 fulfill them? Due to the Linder/Murphy article though, it does introduce doubt into 15/12/12/4 being a universal belief by the WWE, which is why it seems better to teach the controversy and show how WWE has described Cena/Orton both ways (I don't think Rock/Sheamus had enough total days to be mentioned in the Linder/Murphy article). Ranze (talk) 02:09, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

not the same thing

@Prefall: regarding Special:Diff/693241044 they don't really mean the same thing, since there are world titles outside of WWE. Plus there is a narrative being pushed on Wikipedian that holding a "world title" doesn't get recognized as a WWE World Heavyweight Championship which is why I provided the exact sourcing saying that they do recognize him as this, so could you restore the sources you removed please? Ranze (talk) 08:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@Ranze: That same sentence also mentions that he is an 8-time WWE Champion and a 4-time World Heavyweight Champion, which is exactly what the "12-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion" line implies. It just seems redundant. Prefall 09:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
@Prefall: it is a reference to the big belt of the day, direct quotes of how many times he has held the big belt help dismiss speculation that he's held it a fewer amount of times for those who only count WWE Championship reigns. Ranze (talk) 09:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2016

90.217.248.82 (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

 Not done No request.LM2000 (talk) 15:54, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2016

Randy's first name is spelled Randal there isn't an extra L http://randy-orton.com/facts/ http://prowrestling.wikia.com/wiki/Randy_Orton http://www.wrestlezone.com/tag/randy-orton http://www.prowrestling.com/profile/randy-orton/ 71.15.93.227 (talk) 04:54, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done — Music1201 talk 21:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016

Senilsata (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Blank request — JJMC89 (T·C) 20:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Merging sub-titles

The sub-title Authority should be merged with Feud with the Authority as Teaming and feuding the Authority. Ikhtiar H (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

rko

randy by the time your rko gets more improvement and you are my favorite superstar in whole wwe and i not like john cena 15 time wwe world champion and your big fan from India West Bengal Kolkata. I see your all show. Respected 12 times WWE world champion. Subhrajit Ray Class 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.116.77 (talk) 04:02, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2018

On July 15th, at Extreme Rules, Orton returned from injury, attacking Jeff Hardy after his losing the United States Championship to Shinsuke Nakamura, turning Heel in the process. On July 17th, two days later, Orton cemented his heel turn by attacking Hardy once again, costing him his rematch against Shinsuke Nakamura, pulling on Hardy's pierced ear and performing a elevated DDT off of the announcers table. SSXThomas (talk) 15:18, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: See notice at top of this talk page re week-by-week synopses. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2018

Under the part about Heel turn. Randy Orton did not turn tweener by ddt'ng Jeff Hardy off the announce Table. He cemented his heel turn by doing that. Dmilligan88 (talk) 00:53, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP (talk • contribs) 00:55, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2019

In the Early Life heading there is a claim that Orton is of Cherokee descent. The source for this is a tweet from the subject's own personal twitter account. This source does not meet wikipedia's reliability standards and should be removed. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Self-published_sources_(online_and_paper) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.134.94.97 (talk) 17:53, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

He self-identified it, so it stays. And his twitter handle is verified. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2019

173.19.59.46 (talk) 23:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

in Filmagraph he will be playing in the upcoming film El Tonto he has a role but it is still yet to be To Be Determined and the released date is not yet known

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 03:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2019

Daneisloncampbell88 (talk) 02:07, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Randy Orton Will be playing in the upcoming El Tonto it is yet to be determined what his role will be but its in Post-Production it is not clear when it will release but if you could add El Tonto to Ortons filmagraph for me since I cant do it that would be great thank you, Danielson

Not done: Kindly provide reliable sources that support the content you want to include in the article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2020

Orton will be starring in a new film titled Blazing Samurai it is being released in 2021 if you can add it to his filmagraph it it will be much appericated and his role will be Teddy so if you can pleased update his filmagraph to that it will be apperiacted thank you

Sincerly, TJ 173.23.129.114 (talk) 01:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide reliable sources that support this information. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:05, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Claim in the opening paragraph needs better citations

The opening paragraph states "Widely regarded as one of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time," while offering citations to two opinion pieces that do not substantiate the claim being made.

The piece titled "Why Randy Orton is one of the all-time greats in WWE" talks about his career, but offers no information as to how he is regarded by the public or his coworkers. The second piece, titled "A definitive ranking of the top 101 wrestlers of all time", again offers no information as to how Randy Orton is regarded.

Citing two opinion pieces that talk favorably about the subject is not proof of a widespread public opinion. I suggest better citations be found.

StayUpAllNight (talk) 21:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


I completely agree with the user above, and I'll double-down on the request. The main paragraph feels like posturing; its positioning is biased at best, and very disingenuous at worst. There is an extremely limited cadre of wrestlers (top 10-15 of all time, I'd say) for which such a "first thing about him/ her is..." composition would work, and I have my doubts Orton belongs there.

Start by creating a "reception" section and start by framing the quotes in-context like it's done for many other articles using opinion pieces. E.G. "Publication X called Orton 'one of the all-time greats'". In articles like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho, Wikipedia adopts the format "WWE called him one of the greatest wrestlers of all time". There's an arguably comparable underlying consensus on their statuses as legends. As such, no real reason it would not apply here too.

37.116.235.230 (talk) 03:50, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2021

On filmography Orton will be in two upcoming movies El Tonto and Blazing Samurai can you guys please add it into his flimagraph. 173.23.172.237 (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

 Partly done: citation needed, I can't find anything about him in El Tonto. User:GKFXtalk 20:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2022

King Correct (talk) 18:12, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Please allow to access all those page that a protected from vandalism

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Feud with Rollins inclusion

@Dilbaggg - why exactly is the feud with Rollins "crucial" and "vital"? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC) @ItsKesha it was a significant feud, just because you do not think it was, doesn't eman it was not, you erased the entire 2015 section as if orton was inctive back then, and your claim this was week by week coverage is false, it only covers significant feuds and matches during this time frme that have been established here for 7 years, you are no one to just erace them based on your personal views. Dilbaggg (talk) 20:36, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

The Authority story which kikced of with Orton being the chosen one after cashing in on Bryan in 2013, getting replaced by Rollins in 2014 and the feud and matches with Rollins in 2015 covered a significant portion of his career and thus definately meets all WP:RS and WP:Notable criterria. Lets have a vote. Dilbaggg (talk) 20:52, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Which source says or demonstrates that the storyline is crucial and vital? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Just because you think its not vital doesn't mean its not vital, non of the feuds or anything is specifcally said vital in the source, source is for adding information and sources on these contenbts exist in the first place cause theya re vital. By your logic every Wikipedia articles should have a blank page? Dilbaggg (talk) 21:13, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
It's not whether I think something or not, it's what reliable sources say, or don't in this instance. You are the one who said the feud was crucial and vital, yet have offer proffered no sources to back this up. What don't you get about this? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
The sources that mentioned the feud were all Wp:RS. What point are you trying to make exactly? The way you want this article to be is as if Orton was absent from WWE in 2015 which he was not. Dilbaggg (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm not disputing that the feud happened. I'm asking for sources that demonstrate that it was "crucial" and "vital" according to you. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Also the part was there for 7 years, no one has objected but you, I already said if you are concerned lets vote, here my vote:
And Hitler was in charges of the Nazi party for 12 years. What's your point? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
So yeah thats mentioned in his article, but that article has nothing to do with Randy orton article. Either ways the feud with Seth is just as notable and well sourced as any other sections in this article, and by going through your misguided POV, we might as well remove evrything and have a totally blank page lol. Be constructive not destructive, add not remove. Best wishes, and why are you deleting my vote? Dilbaggg (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Anyway I have work today, so can't say much more, if anyone checks in I had voted support for the continued inclusion, but ItsKesha deleted my vote. Anyway whatever, I will fix it again if I get the time but I have a busy life so i don't know, take care. Dilbaggg (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
It literally doesn't matter if sources exist if they don't demonstrate notability or importance, or how "crucial" and "vital" it is. You have yet to give an explanation or a source to back up the inclusion of the information. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 08:24, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
ItsKesha who are you to define notability, you have zero right to change accepted notable infrmation kept for seven year. Keep seeking special treatment, I dared you to seek consensus, afraid it won't get into your favor? Keep up your WP:Disruptive Editing, but I will keep fixing the mess and at one point an admin might or might not interven, but just you have given zero proof that the information is not notable and things will not become not notable because you say so, seek a consensus throught WP:RfC, anyway good day.Dilbaggg (talk) 09:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Read the following, and then come back and discuss this; WP:ROUTINE, WP:NOTABILITY, WP:SCOPE, WP:TMI, WP:DRNC, WP:SYPS, and WP:ONUS. Also, please, read WP:CS:EMBED. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I already looked into this long before you, maybe you should recheck them ItsKesha. Once again this thig is notable, if you do not agree seek WP:RfC and let more knowledged contributors than you decide by voting, and I am sure you are afraid the vote won't go in your favor. Something can not be deemed not WP:Notable based on your personal views. Dilbaggg (talk) 11:51, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
You clearly haven't looked into it long before me, judging by the fact you can't even explain how it is "crucial" and "vital" and have provided zero sources for it. How is it not routine coverage? Also, per one of those things I linked, it's actually you who needs to gain consensus. As you have already looked into it long ago, you won't need me to tell you which one 👍. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
No ItsKesha you are the one who is trying to change decde long established information so its your job to get consensus, I don't care if you drag me to WP:EW which is something your records say you shamelessly do, I will prevent your WP:BLP violation and WP:Vandal of this article (unless I get too busy with irl business). Peace. Dilbaggg (talk) 12:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
So you're going to offer no proof, evidence, or sources, you're not going to try and discuss your reasoning, and you're not going to offer any explanation or motive? Just so I know where we're at. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:20, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
The prro, evidence, and sources are already tehre, thsoe are the things you are trying to remove ItsKesha, anyway since you are scared to seek consensus, I took the discussion here where we can discuss more on the matter and more ditors can contribute: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling. Unlike you i have a busy life and won't always be there to fix your mistakes, so lets take it to the project page. Best wishes. Dilbaggg (talk) 12:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
No, no sources are already there which explain why this plot is crucial and vital, it is routine coverage of television content and therefore not notable. You haven't actually read the policies, guidelines and essays I asked you to read, have you? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Add Orton's 3 step sons

Kim's Orton's 3 sons who are Randy Orton's legal step-sons should be added 104.246.132.185 (talk) 23:49, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2023

Remove the claim in the opening paragraph that orton is “widely regarded” as one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. Most of the sources cited don’t make that assertion and a couple of them are from the same fan blog. 67.231.52.72 (talk) 03:57, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: Paragraph removed per WP:NPOV, ref seemed OK, so I don't remove them. Lemonaka (talk) 08:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2023

Remove last sentence of opening paragraph “ Orton is widely regarded as one of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time.”

The sources provided do not substantiate this claim. The only person cited of any relevance or esteem, Jim Ross, is claiming Orton is currently the best wrestler and he even says some people say it’s Kenny Omega. This sentence was removed and then an editor added it back without using any definitive sources to substantiate the claim that he is “widely regarded.” If he was “widely regarded” it would be easier to prove than using multiple defunct blog posts and an article where Jim Ross talks about who is currently the best wrestler not of all time. 67.231.52.72 (talk) 04:50, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. The fact that this claim has been removed and readded proves that it is not uncontroversial. I see comments from 2 years ago from 2 users, but the references has been updated since that time. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 06:25, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2023

Ben Kimfuta (talk) 18:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Bestagon ⬡ 18:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Randy is not 249 ıbs he is now 275 ıbs BErSR (talk) 04:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

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