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Origin of name "holm oak"[edit]

I would like to know where the name holm oak came from, so if anyone can add that to the article, I would appreciate it. --DBlomgren (talk) 21:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--Curtis Clark (talk) 23:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holm comes from Old Norse "Holmr" meaning Island. So Holm Oak is probably named after a specimen of oak found on an island by Norsemen or ancient Britons such as Angles, Jutes, Picts, or Frisians. I am sorry that I am unaccustomed to writing Wikipedia articles so I am hesitant to do so. But perhaps someone more experienced may research and add further since there is some speculation on my part ;) -RH

Sources: https://www.etymonline.com/word/holm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holm_(surname)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/holme

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/holmgang.shtml

https://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/HOLM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:15C:203:0:C6D1:A4F0:4D80:129A (talk) 21:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just "holm" but also "ilex" that means holly[edit]

The article begins with:

"The Holm Oak (Quercus ilex), also called Holly Oak or Evergreen Oak, is a large evergreen oak native to the Mediterranean region. It takes its name from holm, an obsolete name for holly."

But it's not only "holm" that means (or meant) holly ... but the other part of its name -- "ilex" -- is the (non-obsolete) genus name for holly.

So the holm oak means "holly holly" ???Daqu (talk) 06:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quercus Ilex cannot stand the frost???[edit]

I do not think it is true. In north central Spain it is one of the most common trees and winters are cold there. -15ºC or -20ºC seem to be no problem for it.

I agree. Quercus ilex is quite a hardy tree in its natural habitat, and the parts of the British Isles where it has become established are definitely not frost-free. More generally, greater accuracy could be achieved if the statement on Q. ilex as a nonnative invasive species was based on scholarly or official primary sources. I am working on it. Courrege (talk) 18:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the reference to climate change rather spurious?[edit]

Article says presence in northern Europe is a phenomena of climate change. Also says there's one in Fulham (London, UK) reputed to be 500 years old. I'd wager the pair I saw today in Patching, West Sussex are well over 100 years old. Worthing, also West Sussex, has a famous Ilex Way, of similar, recorded, age. I'm no CC sceptic, but attributing Quercus Ilex presence in N Europe to CC seems to be a bit of a leap. Perhaps it was cleared by the little ice age. Well, of course, that was *a* climate change, but nowadays the term CC is synonymous with recent man-made climate change. 89.241.157.164 (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]