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What's wrong with adding the link to the website that Piper wire please?[edit]

Hi Melcous Can you explain what the problem is with my edit to improve the page?

Thanks EC

Undid revision 852226697 by Eco-climber (talk) No WP:ELs within article text During her sentence, the website www.thepipebomb.com"The Pipe Bomb" was set up to document her life behind bars. Eco-climber (talk) 11:29, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eco-climber, please read WP:EL - external links (i.e. links to websites) should not be used within the body of an article. Melcous (talk) 11:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank u for explaining & putting in the WP EL link. Point noted.

However I believe that the link adds to the article. It is a link to Piper's official prison writing pages and also importantly has been shown to have stayed live for many years (approx 14yrs).

Therefore the link I believe is in line with WP policies on both External Links & Official Links.

WP says "An official link is a link to a website or other Internet service that meets both of the following criteria:

The linked content is controlled by the subject (organization or individual person) of the Wikipedia article.

The linked content primarily covers the area for which the subject of the article is notable. Official links (if any) are provided to give the reader the opportunity to see what the subject says about itself. These links are normally exempt from the links normally to be avoided"

WP EL says: "Some acceptable links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as... meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy."

EC added: ( I say that it is relevant & meaningful. But there is lots of relevant info on Pipers site including graphics & links to t-shirts, with although interesting, should not be in the main WP article because of both length & size.)

"Some external links are welcome (see § What can normally be linked), but it is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a lengthy or comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. No page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justifiable according to this guideline and common sense. The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link."

EC says " I have attempted to prove above that the link is justified, especially as it is an official website of hers & also because the info adds to the WP article.)

What are your thoughts on this please?

Eco-climber (talk) 12:26, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eco-climber, the point isn't whether this is an acceptable external link or not--the point is that you put it in the text, and that is not cool. 2600:6C58:607F:F8F1:0:82BC:74DD:AF10 (talk) 12:28, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Melcous I'm not as experienced on WP as you are, so please bear with me. I'm also extremely dyslexic and therefore very particular, so I'm looking to properly understand your point. I'm guessing that by 'in the text' you are referring to the main body of an article, as in my mind all the articles are either 'in the text' or 'in the meta data'. No where on WP have I yet found out why WP does not like links in the 'main body of the text'. Also no explanation as to why links are ok in the side text to the main body or in external links. I'm guessing this is because so many links go dead or broken? CORRECT ?

If I am correct in my understanding of your point, then I'm now seeing what you are getting at. Thank you !

Eco-climber (talk) 13:32, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The link is already included in the section at the bottom of the page called "External links" which is the appropriate place for it to be. Melcous (talk) 13:39, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]