Talk:Pinoy Big Brother: Lucky 7

737-esque season again

@Renzoy16: Hello again and welcome back. Just got word. Looks like we're gonna divide this season again in parts, kinda like 737. https://twitter.com/direklauren/status/749090436375932928?ref_src=twsrc^tfw Will not start dividing articles until celebrity batch is over. Oenix (talk) 13:42, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

another source to support that this season will be divided again in parts: https://twitter.com/direklauren/status/749417528909131776?ref_src=twsrc^tfw Oenix (talk) 04:02, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

@Oenix: Yep. I think too it's 737 again. But is there a way that we can make this just in one article? Like having a summary of the events in one. Do you think we should go away now with the weekly summary of events and follow something similar likd that of the US version? We can group it by chapter though, like the first section is for the celebrities, next is for the teens and then the regulars, and then for the last part where they are all placed inside the house... if there is any. We can also separate the tables for the nominations per group of housemates, but if we can find a way that we can merge all the nominations into one table that would be good (for me). Same with the tasks. I think we should shun away from making multiple articles 'cause we will be maintaining really a big project if that happens. Your thoughts?--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 05:54, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

@Renzoy16: I think we can do away with the weekly summary since no one seems to be updating them; tasks and nominations would suffice to keep track of events. But I still think we should divide this. If you've seen my example on my sandbox before on what it would look like to merge all parts in one article, it's quite difficult to navigate since it's a long page. Let me bring it back again and ping you when it's ready, with the summary removed. Merging nominations of all batches into one table would be a pain since the three batches might not interact with each other anyways; possible cross interactions would be in the later part of the season, but no word about that yet. Managing multiple articles wouldn't be a problem; we're already doing that with all the PBB articles existing here, and in a sense we would only be actively managing 2 articles at a time, the main article and the batch article, since these divisions will happen in succession. When a batch finishes, all we really do is just make sure no one vandalizes it.

I'm also thinking that each batch will have it's finalists, then all finalists will merge and the public will just vote for the winner. No tasks, no nominations. If that happens, I think we could use the main article and just put all the finalists in the board. Whatever the results or events of the Big Night will be put on the main page as well. Oenix (talk) 06:52, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Numbering of Days

Sinc HMs have already entered the House: https://twitter.com/PBBabscbn/status/749957345040490496, shall we use Day 0 as July 4, 2016 or use Day -7 and use the PILOT airing date as Day 0? Aeron Valderrama (talk) 13:35, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

@Oenix: @Aeron Valderrama: I think we should number the days starting the day they have entered the Vietnamese Big Brother House regardless if the pilot episode will be shown a week after it. The day of entry in the Vietnamese Big Brother House should be noted in the Summary of events (we will use summary instead of chronology since we are not doing the weekly chronology of events anymore. Please give me your thoughts on this?--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 09:23, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

OK Oenix (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

@Renzoy16: In deciding what day the HMs entered, why are we basing it in two ways, introduction and actual entry in the House? The table says 'Entry', which would mean the day they actually entered the House. If we're going for introduction, might as well consider the first time a HM is introduced (in It's Showtime). Whether they were 'formally' introduced is out. What's the difference between a formal and informal introduction anyways? We can't assume that the readers will understand the reasons behind the numbering unless they edit the source code, in which you left notes. 'Entry' is entry in the House, whether you were introduced 'formally', 'informally', or not at all. Oenix (talk) 15:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Another All In season

@Renzoy16: I feel like this will be an All In like season. I'll return the infobox to the normal infobox (without the batch divisions) since teens will come this Saturday, and celebrities might still be inside. We can just rearrange it if needed again. Oenix (talk) 05:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Celebrity nomi table

@Renzoy16: Can you please explain to me the current nomi table? I still don't understand why it seems like there's an eviction for every challenge. This looks complicated to be honest. Oenix (talk) 16:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Oenix: Okay.

	#1	Big Jump to the Big Night			Nominations received
		#2
Eviction Day and Date	Day 11 July 15	—	—	Day 23 August 5
Nomination Day and Date	Day 10 July 14	—	Day 22 August 4
Jinri	JK Yassi	No nominations	No nominations	Finalist	4
McCoy & Nikko	Jinri Hideo	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	3
Elisse	Hideo Chacha	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	2
Hideo	Elisse McCoy & Nikko	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	4
JK	McCoy & Nikko Yassi	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	4
Nonong	Chacha JK	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	0
Yassi	Jinri JK	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	4
Chacha	Yassi Hideo	Voluntarily Exited (Day 11)			3
Notes	none	1
Up for eviction	Hideo Jinri JK Yassi	Results Based on Challenge		Open Voting
Saved from eviction	No Eviction	No Eviction	Jinri	McCoy & Nikko 46.95%
Evicted			No Eviction	Yassi 20.85% Elisse 17.13% JK 7.59% Nonong 5.53% Hideo 1.95%
Voluntary Exit	Chacha	none
References

For the Big Jump to the Big Night, I have divided the sections into three columns as per stages of it.

1. The first one indicates the first challenge; there was no eviction there, hence the text in the bottom part of the table in that column. The note Results are based in the challenge is there since it was really based on it. The gray no nominations indicates that they were not immune or not automatically nominated. Yes. The fundamentals. But the first column should already reflect the result, and not reflect it on the next column, which is what you did on the next column.
2. For the second one, Jinri, Hideo and the two-in-one advanced to the second round. Hence, the entry there was the gray one. Other housemates were automatically included in the public poll; hence, the violet background. Jinri was saved from eviction since she won the lucky star spot; hence the yellow background.Again, same comment in the first one. This column should already reflect the result for the second challenge, and not reflect it on the next column.
3. Third, Jinri was declared as finalist. The others were automatically included in the public poll. You cannot input there the data about the evicted note with the red background since they were still there during the public poll. Hence, the violet background no nominations were placed. You will only place the evicted (day x) after the eviction at the next column. McCoy & Nikko were in the yellow background since they won the last lucky star.I get this one. The lucky stars column. But we could also just get rid of it. I get that we got this column idea from 737 teens, but I don't think it's necessary. Since, nothing really follows after the challenge, so there's no need to make another column just to indicate the evicted (day x) bar. It's different, yes, but from the way it is presented, it's seems like something happened in this column, when in fact, there was none. The results below this column further complicates things. Were M&N evicted? What was the purpose of Jinri having a different color in this column?
4. The dates above indicated when did they become automatically nominated. They cannot be nominated in the first round but only in the second round. No dates were placed in the first and second column since there were really no evictions; hence the "—" was placed.All episode editing aside, all of this happened in one day, Day 22. Which should be applied across all columns under this group. Same goes with eviction dates. The span of eviction days indicate which nomination results are included in this eviction day. There wasn't an evic date for individual challenges because there shouldn't be. This whole event rests on having one eviction day. This isn't the case of Intensity 7 from Unlimited, where every challenge has a nomination and eviction event. The current layout implies that there should've been an eviction for each challenge, when in fact there was none. The "No eviction" under every column implies that.

Let me add another column in the table for more clarification or to emphasize the changes:

	#1	Big Jump to the Big Night			Big Night	Nominations received
		#2
Eviction Day and Date	Day 11 July 15	—	—	Day 23 August 5	Day 100 November x
Nomination Day and Date	Day 10 July 14	—	Day 22 August 4		Day 100 November x
Jinri	JK Yassi	No nominations	No nominations	Finalist	First place	4
McCoy & Nikko	Jinri Hideo	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	Second place	3
Elisse	Hideo Chacha	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	Evicted (Day 23)	2
Hideo	Elisse McCoy & Nikko	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	Evicted (Day 23)	4
JK	McCoy & Nikko Yassi	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	Evicted (Day 23)	4
Nonong	Chacha JK	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	Evicted (Day 23)	0
Yassi	Jinri JK	No nominations	No nominations	No nominations	Evicted (Day 23)	4
Chacha	Yassi Hideo	Voluntarily Exited (Day 11)				3
Notes	none	1			none
Up for eviction	Hideo Jinri JK Yassi	Results Based on Challenge		Open Voting	Open Voting
Saved from eviction	No Eviction	No Eviction	Jinri	McCoy & Nikko 46.95%	Jinri
Evicted			No Eviction	Yassi 20.85% Elisse 17.13% JK 7.59% Nonong 5.53% Hideo 1.95%	McCoy & Nikko 46.95%
Voluntary Exit	Chacha	none
References

I hoped I have explained it well.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 16:11, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

@Renzoy16: Comments are in red. But in a nutshell, there were misconceptions on how the challenges were supposed to be laid out. I think the All In table can be a good example of how we can re-layout this. I hope I have explained my comments well. Again, we should always keep in mind the readers who will be seeing this. Will they get it the first time they see it? They should. I mean, the way it was presented on air wasn't complicated, why should this be? Also, the arrangement of the HMs should always be by vote standing, if they exited at the same time.Oenix (talk) 11:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

References

Move to "Pinoy Big Brother: Lucky Season 7"

literally no one uses the term "Lucky 7" and the show itself (including its housemates) uses "Lucky Season 7". EdrianJustine (talk) 04:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)