Talk:Philip Dorling

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One or Two Dorlings...two raids?![edit]

I am not sure that the canberra journo and Brereton's adviser are the same person. However they both have been raided for leaking cabinet info - one in 2008, one in 2003! (see [1] ) --Surturz

Advisor to some gov person should be notable anyhow, we need to confirm same person though. If same, then no trouble. If not, then article split. Removing PROD. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 23:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found a WP:RS asserting they are the same person here, it's in the article. Date of first raid is stated to be 2000, not 2003 though. --Surturz (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

bio page[edit]

Dorling's ADFA bio page: (click here) --Surturz (talk) 01:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

OK, we need to establish what this guy needs for WP:N. Currently, we have:

he has worked for several prominent MPs on prominent issues
he is a respected journalist
his house has been raided twice in investigations as to the leaking of cabinet documents
he has written and edited books, at least two of which are in the National Library of Australia

is this enough to justify keeping this article, or should it be deleted? --Surturz (talk) 05:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's enough. I already stated that above (although maybe I wasn't ness. clear enough). You do need to cite that (with inline citations) and work it into the article if not already in there. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 05:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The two published works don't quite meet WP:N for authors - has he written any books (rather than simply edited a compilation volume and authored a briefing note)? The guy I use as my main source for Queensland LGAs has written briefing notes in the same series but also has published books in his area of expertise. Orderinchaos 05:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think he/she meant the entire article (as in what was enough to establish notability for having this article), not specific contents of the article, although I could be wrong. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 05:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've cleaned it up a bit - some minor copyvio issues, ref formatting, and other odds and ends - and generally I think he's sufficiently notable, although only just. At any rate, I'd argue that it's a good fit for Wikipedia, especially as there are a couple of other lines worth exploring (his second book made a bit of an impact, for example, with some of the things that he uncovered). - Bilby (talk) 09:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all, consensus seems to be keep for now. It is quite satisfying to create an article and see it survive, isn't it? :-) I'll keep an eye out for more notable content. --Surturz (talk) 14:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]