Talk:Per Mertesacker

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Height[edit]

Please see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]

For German speakers, please see: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]

6'6" for his height websites are on the less side. Regards! Karl Prall (talk) 22:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All this "sources" are secondary sources, his own website is a primary source. AFAIR both Hannover 96 and Werder Bremen had/have his correct height of 1.98 m --Denniss (talk) 06:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

https://soundcloud.com/phrasenmaeher/folge-21-mit-per-mertesacker-12 199,5cm = 1,995m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.50.83 (talk) 06:31, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This has come back. Both the Premier League and Soccerway give 1.98m, as do German sources such as Weltfussball. I cannot see any reliable, third-party sources which say 2m? Giant Snowman 09:49, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Giant Snowman, Here's another source, straight from ZDF, Mertesacker currently working as a football analyst/expert for them:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200901161522/https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/per-mertesacker-zdf-fussball-experte-nachfolger-von-oliver-kahn-100.html

The video been removed, but the link still here: https://www.zdf.de/sport/zdf-sportextra/zdf-fussball-experte-per-mertesacker-100.html

Nicht nur mit seinen 199,5 cm Körperlänge wird Per Mertesacker, Weltmeister von 2014, als neuer ZDF-Fußball-Experte für Aufmerksamkeit sorgen.

Also, premier league website is also a shit source, ex Tammy Abraham

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/teams/first-team/tammy-abraham?pageTab=biography - listed at 191 cm

https://www.premierleague.com/players/13286/Tammy-Abraham/overview - listed at 190 cm

BIG REMINDER is Per Mertesacker is working for ZDF, and almost every company carries out a pre employment medical health check for their own employee

also, the record source (first source) is accepted and used by German Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undergroundmall (talk • contribs)

@Undergroundmall: - firstly, please sign your talk page posts. Secondly, please stop edit warring, Thirdly, please review WP:RS, WP:v, WP:BLP and WP:CONSENSUS. In short, primary sources are not always used or trusted - Donald Trump, for example, apparently famously exaggerates his height. On English-language Wikipedia - and that means, respectfully, that what the German-language Wikipedia does is entirely irrelevant - we rely upon reliable, third-party sources to verify content, and to me it seems that the sources are saying 1.98. Giant Snowman 10:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: ffs, did you see my zdf link, I added them already ? Undergroundmall (talk) 10:07, 13 October 2020 (UTC) Undergroundmall[reply]

@GiantSnowman: incase you haven't, here's the link

https://web.archive.org/web/20200901161522/https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/per-mertesacker-zdf-fussball-experte-nachfolger-von-oliver-kahn-100.html

https://www.zdf.de/sport/zdf-sportextra/zdf-fussball-experte-per-mertesacker-100.html

@GiantSnowman: why one of his current employer is less trustworthy than a 3rd party source then ?

And why are you ignoring all the sources which say 1.98m? Giant Snowman 10:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: ffs, you aren't very smart are you ? Any of the sources you provided can be considered a reliable src compare to ZDF,one of current Mertesacker employers ? I won't speak again for that premier league site. Soccerway is a shit source, as for Kalidou Koulibaly still listed at 195 cm or [[Joshua King (footballer) ]] at 180 cm

https://uk.soccerway.com/players/kalidou-koulibaly/139596/

https://uk.soccerway.com/players/joshua-king/93432/

As for weltfussball, Nick Pope (footballer) height also been disputed at either 191 cm or 198 cm. That site listed him at 198, but Burnley club site listed him at 191 cm. Base on your standard, why don't you go change Nick Pope height to 198 cm then. Christ, Wikipedia admin mostly are volunteers, but aren't any more smarter guy out there ? Really tired arguing with guys like you, to be honest

https://www.weltfussball.de/spieler_profil/nick-pope/

Or Joshua King (footballer) from same site, at 181 cm :

https://www.weltfussball.de/spieler_profil/joshua-king/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undergroundmall (talk • contribs) 10:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Undergroundmall (talk) 10:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Undergroundmall[reply]

Please remain civil and stop insulting other editors. WP:CIVIL. Giant Snowman 10:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: if you actually want somewhat credible 3rd party source, despite being shit on by most English wikipedia soccer editor, Transfermarkt is actually pretty accurate with some of them (NOT ALL). And from my limited use of that site, no regular user can change the player profile page, you probably can suggest a change, but without a credible source, your suggestion won't be accepted. Undergroundmall (talk) 11:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Undergroundmall[reply]

Pronunciation of Mertesacker[edit]

I was bold and changed the pronunciation from ˈmɛʁtəzakɐ to ˈmɛʁtəsʔakɐ. None of my German pronunciation dictionaries has this name, but the correct syllabification seems to be Mertes-Acker, and I've heard it pronounced accordingly on German TV. --Iceager (talk) 23:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am a quasi-native speaker of German who knows a good many fully native speakers as well, and I can honestly say that I don't think I have ever heard it pronounced as such. Single 's' is pretty much always pronounced as /z/ between vowels, and glottal stops are generally only used between vowels (e.g. "geendet" –> ge-endet). ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 09:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The word-internal glottal stop would be pronounced in careful pronunciation and may well be elided in casual speech. The Deutsches Aussprachewörterbuch (ed. Eva Krech et al) indicates it with a superscript ʔ. Wikipedia's guidelines were not explicit about this, but in the German Wiktionary I found for example Bundesautobahn transcribed as /bʊndəsˈʔaʊ̯toˑˌbaːn/ (which by the way illustrates that an 's' between vowels is unvoiced when it is treated as a syllable coda), so I went with a simple ʔ in /ˈmɛʁtəsʔakɐ/.

You may not have heard it pronounced as such, but I assure you I certainly have. I'll look up video examples and such if you want me to. --Iceager (talk) 16:01, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I've had time to do more research, I can say that the pronunciation with /z/ is at least quite widespread. The pronunciation with /s/ does exist, as can be seen here, and there are some people who insist on this pronunciation, but even Mertesacker himself seems to use /z/ (can't find an online link, though). I still think Mertes-Acker is the etymologically correct syllabification, but I think it may be unrealistic to insist on the pronunciation I put before. I would welcome more input from German native speakers who know the name. --Iceager (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm a native speaker and here's what I can tell you: IMO, Mertes-Acker is indeed the correct syllabification but it is nonetheless pronounced as ˈmɛʁtəzakɐ. The presenter in that youtube video is just overstressing the syllables (pretty much like you wrote here).

Conclusion: /z/ is certainly more common (but that doesn't mean that /s/ is wrong). However, please note that I'm not a linguist. :-) --Berntie (talk) 00:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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