Talk:Pabst Brewing Company/Archive 1

Best

"Frederick Pabst, a steamship captain on the Great Lakes, married Jacob Best's granddaughter the Best family, bought a half interest in the brewing company in 1864, and eventually took the brewery over, renaming it in the process."

This sentence-a-graph makes no sense. However, not knowing the details of exactly what it is intended to mean in the section which states 'married Jacob Best's granddaughter the Best family,' I am unable to correct the grammar.

Merge

I've put PBR and the Pabst brewery together as the story of one is the story of the other. Though it still needs cleaning up as some information is duplicated. The section on brands is just a series of dead links at the moment. That could be expanded. Perhaps bringing the brands with articles into this article. SilkTork 11:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Your attempt to redirect PBR to this page didn't work. You have to kill all the text from the story first. I removed the redirect, since I'm not sure they shouldn't be different articles, although looking at them again, I think you're probably right - it should all be in one article. This one is pretty badly written, though - needs some work. - DavidWBrooks 16:41, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, forget what I just said: Your redirect is right, so I made it work. I've done some initial edits to this page, but more is needed. - DavidWBrooks 16:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

what does pabst do now?

If Miller is brewing their beers, what exactly does Pabst do these days? Do they still do all the marketing for the brands they own? --Allen 06:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

It's hard to say what exactly Pabst is up to. They seem to be just sitting around waiting on something or the other. From what I can find their marketing budget is nonexistent. You don't even see the cardboard cutouts for their beers in the local grocery or liquor stores. Personally, I think they're setting themselves up to be bought out by a larger company, or to sell off most of their brews to micro-breweries. We've already seen them sell off two brands that were at one time national off to micro-breweries in the NE. I'm really hoping that with the revitalization of the old Pearl Brewery in San Antonio, the company that owns it will buy Pearl back from Pabst and do something at least local with it. --Brownings 16:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Pabst does everything that every other brewing company in the world does! They make beer. Pabst contracts other breweries, but maintains their own head brewer. He oversees all the brands brewed by PBC (right around 30 or 40 brands as of '09). Pabst does indeed do marketing for their brands- I personally work for the marketing division (PBR). We tend toward non-traditional means, so you won't see PBR banners at Nascar rallies anytime soon. SoooBored (talk) 02:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Which State?

Which state should this article be under for Projects and Categories? With so many mergers and buyouts Pabst's influence and history touches about dozen diffrent states. Ok, so not that many but still, you get my point. Currently the company is based in San Antonio, TX but will be moving soon to a suburb of Chicago, IL and if that wasn't enough it originally came from Wisconsin. I say we removed all state associations and have it listed soley under San Antonio, until the move to Chicago is complete. --Brownings 10:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Tough one. I removed the Pennsylvania category because, at least as indicated through this article, none of its predecessor companies were based in PA--even though it did have a PA brewery. I think your solution is a good one. --Captadam 17:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Changes have been made. I'll keep an eye on Pabst's news section to see when the move to Chicago is complete. --Brownings 03:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Please don't remove the WikiProject Wisconsin tag. The brewery and Milwaukee are inexplicably tied together, and the tag allows this article to appear on a community watch list. Thanks! 72.131.44.247 04:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Corn beer?

I was told that PBR is made with corn, similarly to how Bud is made with rice. Is this true? Also - can anyone explain what "Blended 33 to 1" means, in this image? (Image is from the Library of Congress Bound for Glory exhibit.) Argyriou 14:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

"Blended 33 to 1" was an advertising tag for Pabst back in the 40s and 50s. Pabst claimed that just like coffee is blended to get a great taste, PBR was a blend of 33 brews (recipes maybe?) to get 1 great beer. A full explanation can be seen here: Pabst Ad from 1940s. While it works for coffee, I don't think the "blending" thing was good idea or ever more than marketing propaganda. I mean if it was that great, then why didn't the process catch on with other brewers? Of course today's PBR is nothing like it was even 20 years ago, so no telling what the blended beer actually tasted like. --Brownings (talk) 04:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

PBR does have corn (as well as barley) in it. And yes, Bud has rice (and also barley). Rice and barley are common sources of fermentable sugar in the brewing process (though mainly in macro-brewed pilsners and malt liquors). And yes, Pabst Blue Ribbon is blended. You'll note that that "marketing strategy" is no longer used, b/c virtually all macro beer is blended, as are many small Belgian beers, US micros, craft beers, etc. It's generally done for purposes of quality control- it's much easier to make every bottle taste identical if you have several batches to blend from. Brewing is never an exact science- slight variations in the raw ingredients (hops, grain, water, yeast) can cause large differences in the flavor profile. Some smaller breweries believe (rightfully) that this makes their beer more unique. With a macro, you want it to be the same every time someone buys it. SoooBored (talk) 02:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

proof

dumb question, but does anyone know the proof of PBR? it's not on the cans or box (of 24), and i didn't see it on their website or by googling. this seems like a fairly basic detail of the beer that we should have in the article, plus i'm curious for myself. --dan 01:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

This site [1] says 5.0 percent, which is a pretty standard figure. It doesn't vary a lot - I thought all beers were 5.0 except in states that required low-alcohol (i.e., crummy) beers. - DavidWBrooks 02:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The above statement about all beers being 5% alcohol unless the law requires less is untrue- you can find beers ranging all the way up to 20% alcohol. SoooBored (talk) 02:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

This is a perfect example of the insanity of our alcohol laws. It's legally required to state the amount of alcohol in wines and hard liquor, but illegal (in many states) to state the amount of alcohol in beer. Argyriou 03:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

agreed. i'd been under the impression that all alcoholic drinks had to give the proof/alc content on the packaging, which makes sense. why the hell would some be required and some be forbidden? ps thanks for finding that DavidWBrooks! --dan 21:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The article now states, "PBR is 4.9% alcohol". As the foregoing discussion indicates, this cannot be the case in numerous states. CyberAnth 08:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The 4.9% refers to alcohol by volume. I know Utah limits beer to something low like 3.2 or 3.4 percent alcohol, but they measure alcohol by weight not by volume. Alcohol by weight is a lower measurement then by volume. PBR is 3.92 % alcohol by weight.

Pabst (and many other breweries) brew specific 3.2% abv beer for Utah, Colorado, and maybe other markets. You can also get standard (I believe 5.2% abv) PBR in those states, but only at liquor stores and bars, I believe. The 3.2% stuff is for grocery and maybe convenience stores. The liquor laws are weird... SoooBored (talk) 02:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Olympia

What's going on with Olympia? Information on Wikipedia seems very inconsistant. Olympia is missing from Pabst's beer box in the active beers section, and on the Olympia Brewing Company page it reads as if Miller owns Olympia. I know Miller ran Olympia's old brewery there for awhile, but Pabst owns the beer. Olympia is still listed on Pabst's official page. --Brownings 16:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Pabst Blue Ribbon in Pop Culture

Is it me, or is this section getting out of hand? Seems like every college, city, and state want to be in some way mentioned. I vote that this section is either cleaned up significantly, or deleted all together. --Brownings 21:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

IMHO, one of the most notable mentions of Pabst Blue Ribbon in pop culture is the scene from the 1986 motion picture Blue Velvet.

In a memorable scene with Dennis Hopper (playing Frank Booth) and Kyle MacLachlan (playing Jeffrey Beaumont), Hopper asks MacLachlan what kind of beer he likes. MacLachlan answers, "Heineken". To which, Hopper angrily replys, "HEINEKEN!?! FUCK THAT SHIT! PABST BLUE RIBBON!"

Here is a youtube video of the scene:[2]

Perhaps that article could be tastefully editted to include this pop culture reference to Pabst Blue Ribbon.

72.82.168.202 (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

How come so many of the different beers have their own pages and PBR doesn't? Considering it is by far the best known of all the Pabst beers it should have it's own page. --Kaye 05:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It is the most well know, but what would you put on a separate page that isn't or couldn't be said here? Creating a seperate page would just put the same information and thus make it twice as hard to maintain. --Brownings (talk) 11:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism?

There seems to be substantial plagiarism from the article [3] that has been in this article for > 1 year (added by SilkTork on February 6, 2006). I don't have the time to disentangle the plagiarised content from the rest. Can someone investigate? --Macrakis (talk) 03:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I know SilkTork is, or at least was, active here on Wikipedia. Perhaps he/she used the same info they posted up on RateBeer to add content here. I have no idea if that's the actual case, but at least it's a possibility. --Brownings (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

After reading your post a few times, I noticed something. Did you see that the article on RateBeer was written by SilkTork? Taking an original article written for somewhere else and then adding the info in Wikipedia, might be borderline of Wiki's policy on "No Original Work," but I would say that it wouldn't be in the plagiarism category. --Brownings (talk) 04:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure enough -- I didn't see that the RateBeer article was by SilkTork, sorry. --Macrakis (talk) 04:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Old Style section

La Crosse Lager is NOT the original Old Style recipe. It is a krausened beer, but several La Crosse area bars have confirmed it is not the authentic recipe. In fact, it is of very poor quality, but that is a personal opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.180.229.194 (talk) 15:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

2.9 m3

Is there anywhere in the anglosphere where beer is measured in cubic meters? Don't even metricized countries use liters for that? The article liter states "Litres are most commonly used for items (such as fluids and berries) which are measured by the capacity or size of their container, whereas cubic metres (and derived units) are most commonly used for items measured either by their dimensions or their displacements." The article barrel states that a US beer barrel is 31 gal. or 117 L, close the hectoliter preferred in Europe. So, for all it matters to know how many liters of beer an American brewery produced in 1844, and for those who get a hard-on for that kind of thing, the original capacity of the Empire Brewery would have been 2,106 L had any English speaker heard of a liter back then. --184.240.125.191 (talk) 01:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

cap

I was wondering what does it mean under the cap 3club is there a card game contest going on?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.193.3 (talk) 23:19, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Other Brands

Doesn't Pabst own Blatz?Mlprater (talk) 15:35, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

As stated in the lede for Valentin Blatz Brewing Company, it does. Go ahead, be bold and make the appropriate edit here. --Travis Thurston (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

US Metric

The metric system was given legal standing by Congress not long after independence, since they wanted to be progressive like the French. A litre is a measure of volume. "litre" is standardized spelling in Europe, from French and pronounced that way. "liter" is American, first appearing I believe in Webster's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.73.62 (talk) 01:38, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Acquisition dates.

In the "Product lines" sections there's a lot of "first brewed by". It would be good to mention details about the transition, for example when Pabst acquired the brands and under what circumstances (e.g. did Pabst merge with the previous brewer, or did they simply purchase the rights to the brand/recipe?) -- 160.129.138.186 (talk) 22:55, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Russian Acquisition

I believe recent news has stated that the Russians have purchased Pabst. If I am correct, this article should no longer say it is an American beer but rather a communist beer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.2.126 (talk) 01:56, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

What happened to Harris O. Perlstein?

Merely the fellow that owned and ran Pabst from 1932 to 1972 == back when there were actual Pabst breweries. 50.0.36.103 (talk) 07:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

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Old Style

I was wondering what everyone thoughts were on moving the info for Old Style from Pabst to Heileman, the company that developed the product? I'm currently overhauling the Heileman article and not including Old Style and the development of Old Style would be taking away a large chunk of Heileman's identity. Thoughts?? --Kellypm94 (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I think most of the detailed information would belong with the Heileman article, and that article should just be summarized here, in this article. Just attribute the information split with a link to the other article in the edit summary. Happy editing! GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 00:01, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Categories

@Hugo999: About this, Pabst Brewing Company was founded in Wisconsin and was located there for many years. In fact it's a somewhat iconic Wisconsin brand. Now the current company is not in Wisconsin, and they have the beer contract brewed elsewhere. But because of the history, it would seem that Category:Beer in Wisconsin would be quite appropriate for this article. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 23:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)