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Archive 1

Ex-players

I've added an Great Players section so us canaries can remember some of our flown stars.... additions welcome! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsj1 (talk • contribs)

I'm a Tractor Boy but welcome the addition of the 'greats' section, I've renamed it "notable players" so we can add players like Justin Fashanu etc who are worth noting here. I've forgotten to add Chris Sutton, I'll attend to that! Budgiekiller 20:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I've added a pithy tag to each player. Quite tricky summing up a career/personality in a few words. Do people like the idea? Dweller 20:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I was tempted to do that, but not being a full-on Budgie I thought I'd leave it to your (collective) better judgement! I can't believe that Jeremy Goss doesn't have his own page judged on the number of times I had to endure Look East showing clips of him knocking in his incredible volley against the Germans... One of you Budgie boys has to make this right!!! As for the current tags, well worth adding them, but try to keep them NPOV and add fact rather than fan-based notes - Steve Bruce, for example, x-hundred appearences in defence, now successful (tee-hee!) Birmingham City manager... Just a thought! Budgiekiller 20:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
You're probably right. Sigh. OK, I'll edit. But it'll be so much less fun. Dweller 21:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Or we could...

....mention my very favourite of songs, "Top of the league, at Portman Road, la la la la" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.70.126 (talk • contribs)

Indeed, but who is top of the league at Portman Road? Budgiekiller 07:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

A note on British English

British English should be used for articles on Britain related topics. Likewise, American English should be used on articles pertaining to American topics. For a clearer example, please visit this sub-section on the differences between their usage. --Siva1979Talk to me 05:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally I reckon that "is" works better than "are" since club is a singlular and not plural noun. I'm confident that a quick check in the back of the EDP will show singular usage. GraemeLeggett 09:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

On the Ball, City

I think it deserve its own article, given its unique historic role in the development of football songs. Any consensus? --Dweller 09:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I think "One Nil to the Tractor Boys" should get its own page too... Whaddya reckon?! Budgiekiller 10:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes I agree, in my eyes the Norwich City song section should be renamed 'On the Ball, City' and the other songs removed. The other songs (maybe accept the Safri one) are simply generic football songs found anywhere in the UK and don't really need a section on the page. --Nuhouse 21:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Renamed 'Norwich City Songs' section 'On the Ball, City'. As said above generic football song section isn't really appropriate. --62.49.20.179 19:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

FA Drive

Hello all. This article is imminently going to become subject to a fierce featured article drive, by both budgies and binmen. Please be prepared to notice some major overhauling, some sections coming and going and plenty of [citation needed] tags all over the place. Join in, be bold and help push this article to new heights. All the best The Rambling Man 19:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

On The Ball, City

I think that the song is probably notable enough to deserve its own article, where full details of its history can be distilled. In that case, I'd reduce the mention of the song to one in the lead and another in the "Supporters" section, with a ref to the article. Consensus? --Dweller 08:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

In the absence of responses, I'm going to be bold. --Dweller 10:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

To-do

  1. Deal with all cn tags
  2. Expand Stadia section
  3. Deal with NCFC ladies (commented out currently)
  4. Make note-type refs into notes
  5. Check disambig on all former managers
  6. Consider removing all the managers from NCFC's pre League Status
  7. Attendance data?
  8. League position data?
  9. Consider repositioning/resizing images for artistic impression!

That's all. --Dweller 11:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Suggested cuts to history section

Here's my suggested changes to the latter part of the history section:

The club were relegated to the First Division the following season[27]. Martin O'Neill replaced the sacked Deehan in the summer of 1995.[29] but lasted just six months in the job before resigning after a dispute with chairman Robert Chase over money to strengthen the squad.[30] Mike Walker was re-appointed as the club's manager.[32] He was unable to repeat the success achieved during his first spell and was sacked two seasons later with Norwich mid-table in the First Division.[33] Nigel Worthington took over as Norwich City manager in December 2000 following an unsuccessful two years for the club under Bruce Rioch and then Bryan Hamilton. In real danger of relegation to the third tier of English football for the first time since the 1960s,[34] Worthington avoided the threat of relegation, finishing x. The following season, he led City to a playoff final at the Millennium Stadium, which Norwich lost against Birmingham City on penalties.[35]

The 2003–04 campaign saw the club win the First Division title, finishing eight points clear of second-placed West Bromwich Albion and returned to the top flight for the first time since 1995.[36] For much of the 2004–05 season however, the club struggled and, despite beating Manchester United 2–0 and Newcastle United 2–1 towards the end of the season,[37] a last day 6–0 defeat away to Fulham condemned them to relegation.[38] A mediocre season followed in The Championship as the club finished in 9th despite hopes of bouncing straight back up to the top flight,[39] and as results in the 2006–07 season went against City, the pressure mounted on manager Nigel Worthington, culminating with his sacking on October 1, 2006, directly after a 4–1 defeat at the hands of Championship rivals Burnley.[40] On October 16, 2006, Norwich held a press conference to reveal that former City player Peter Grant had left West Ham United to become the new manager.[41]

This bit that was cut could go in the ownership section:

Soon after, Chase stepped down after protests from supporters who complained that he kept selling the club's best players and was to blame for their relegation.[citation needed] Chase's majority stakeholding was bought by Geoffrey Watling.[31]

English television cook Delia Smith and husband Michael Wynn-Jones took over the majority of Norwich City's shares from Watling in 1996,[31] and

It's a good idea, but the departures of O'Neill and Chase are intrisically linked and Chase's departure/Smith and Jones' arrival, can be seen as a very important point in the history of the club. For those reasons, I've left these details in the history section, referred to in the ownership section. --Dweller 15:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

"Yellows" / "The Yellows"

Either (both?) of these a real nickname for City? --Dweller 16:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, other than the song "Come on you yellows", the Club is not really referred to as 'Yellows' or 'The Yellows'. Similarly, we sing "Oh when the Greens, go marching in...", but we're not nicknamed the Greens either. MLS - Mls11 00:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Dates of Death

Does anyone know the dates of death for Bryan Thurlow and Bobby Brennan? They died in 2002, but I don't know the exact dates and they are still missing form the articles....--EH74DK 12:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Spoken version added

Just in time for the Main Page feature, I have added a spoken version of this article; see above for the link. Hassocks5489 22:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Crest

This has a 'citation needed' tag on it. Does it need citation? Surely our eyes can tell us what it contains? --CanaryOJ 13:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

We know it's a canary, but what's the building? That's what needs citation. The Rambling Man 14:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The 'building' is Norwich Castle, which dominates the skyline of the City. The badge uses a stylised version of the one used on the City's coat of arms (a picture of which I've already added to the page) - Mls11 11:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Captains

i want to put all the pervious captains on the bottom of the page, can someone help me ŞĉŘεÈčḤ 11:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a nice idea, perhaps as a daughter article linked from this. Click this redlink and edit away! Captains of Norwich City F.C. Once it's up and running, we can link to it from here. Do you have a source? --Dweller 09:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
No i dont have a source but wot i have done is put on Adam Drury and Craig Fleming pages at the bottom is the they were captains. i dont know who is past Craig Fleming tho
ŞĉŘεÈčḤ 12:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
A nice idea, but I wonder just how many captains there have been? If you include those who take the arm band for one or two games when the 'full time' captain is injured, or after the captain is subbed, then there will usually be several each season. The only possible source I can think of is Canary Citizens, but I haven't checked. I doubt the Club even know to be honest! Mls11 19:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Famous fans

This article has, in the past, had an extensive list of famous fans. This was removed during the successful run to WP:FA. I've reverted a partial reinstatement - such a list is subject to POV issues (who do you include/exclude?), as well as RS etc, but the most fundamental problem is that it's unencyclopedic. --Dweller 10:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

External links

I've just had my wrists slapped for posting a link to myfootballwriter.com/norwichcity. Apparently, the link does not comply with guidelines for external links. I was also told 'Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion'. So... links to Radio Norfolk and The Pink 'Un are different how? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nsm100 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd probably have left it, but I can understand the reasoning - Radio Norfolk, The Pink 'Un & BBC Sport (and the EDP probably ought to be in there too) are likely to have further material that might be useful (as opposed to interesting) for people reading the article (and qualify as reliable sources, so material found there could be legitimately added to the article), while MFW is a two-fans-in-the-shed operation (albeit a very well run one) which could lead to a pile-up of "me too" linkspamming. (This is all my personal opinion, & not WP policy, it should be added.) — iridescent (talk to me!) 20:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I can get a lot of brackets into a one-sentence answer, can't I! — iridescent (talk to me!) 20:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Lol. The most relevant guideline section, for anyone interested in adding external links, is WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. Thanks. --Dweller 10:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Hm. MFW isn't, as you put it, a two fans in a shed operation. We are fully accredited (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_DataCo) professional sports journalists. Try think of it like the newspapers backpages only online. It was set up by Rick Waghorn, chief football writer on the Norwich Evening News for 13 years. It is good to see you check your facts so very carefully though. (Nsm100 19:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC))

Popular Culture

Why has the section regarding NCFC in popular culture been removed? (I noticed the Ipswich page still has such a section.) Surely it is worth including a reference to "Mike Bassett - England Manager" as well as a link to the film's own page? There was also a 1972 Children's Film Foundation movie called "The Boy Who Turned Yellow" about a boy living in London who supported Norwich City! - Mls11 11:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mls. This was done following a good criticism at the nomination for FA, that it was too short to deserve a section. It's still there - just "commented out" (ie invisible). If you'd like to add the information about the 1972 film, I think that would help immensely - just remove the wikicode that makes it invisible and add your stuff. --Dweller 09:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The film The Boy Who Turned Yellow has nothing to do with Norwich City F.C. -- SteveCrook (talk) 15:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, my mistake. NCFC does get a mention in the film. For all of about 15 seconds of screen time. I wouldn't have noticed it if I wasn't looking out for it and it's not at all significant to the story of the film. But as the team does get a mention I've restored the paragraph I removed -- SteveCrook (talk) 01:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Steve, and for adding a reference to it on your tribute site. I actually think the reference to NCFC within the film has some plot significance as it is used as an explanation for why John, rather than anybody else, is selected by Nick. Perhaps someone involved with the movie knew that NCFC were the "only team to play in yellow" or maybe it was a tribute to the Club who were promoted to the top division for the first time in the same year the film was released? I doubt we'll ever know! MLS (talk) 13:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Loanees

Do we delete them now? CanaryOJ 19:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Seasons

Can someone help me on that because it seems i am the only one editing it :P. Screechy 13:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Can Someone edit this artice other than me please. Screechy 15:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Just made this chart and wondered if anyone thought it would be a good addition. I'm a complete novice at this and don't know how to do anything! Anyway, it's there if anyone wants it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ncfc_league_pos.jpg --Harr4067 (talk) 15:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Can someone update this page about the seasons bit please. Thanks Screechy 19:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC) xx

The squad, and who is (and isn't) in it...

This is getting ridiculous. Before someone gets themselves blocked for edit-warring, can we have a discussion here instead of on the main article? (There are at least two admins and one 'crat watching this page, so it's a reasonable bet the 3RR blocks are going to start kicking in soon if this doesn't stop.) — iridescent 00:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Right then. The club have announced that they are 'free agents' from now on, and even though they do/did have contracts running until June 30, then how do we knoe they haven't just been paid up? Even if they still are under contract, it serves no purpose whatsoever still having them in the squad list, and it is just being picky keeping them there. (CanaryOJ (talk) 00:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC))

My take: I personally agree that it doesn't do any good keeping them up - but I also can see that, as long as they're "officially" part of the squad — e.g., until their contracts expire or NCFC announces they've been released — they should stay on the list, with "contract expires soon" notes, as they are technically still part of the squad. That isn't a set-in-stone rule, though — I notice Arsenal no longer lists Flamini, for instance. I've invited Dweller, who's done the most work of anyone here on football lists, for his opinion. — iridescent 00:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
As the one taking the admittedly pedantic line, my point, which I have sought to apply here, at Brighton and at my own team, Gillingham, in the (forlorn?) hope that it might spread, is that an encyclopaedia should report facts as the stand at the moment they are read, not evaluate how meaningful in effect those facts are. As I understand it, players' contracts expire on 30th June: until then, the clubs are obliged to pay them, hold their registrations, and would be answerable to the FA if the players were to do anything extremely outlandish. Clubs use, I believe, the phrase "released" very loosely at this time of year: it means no more than "we have no interest in retaining him". However, as I understand it, although these players might agree to join another club at any time in the next few weeks, they are not free to join them, transfer their registrations or become part of the payroll until 1st July. I would refer you to the tacit compromise at Gillingham F.C., which has had no objection from one of the foremost English footie editors (IMHO), Chris The Dude, whereby players who are to leave on 30th June are asterisked (is to asterisk a verb?) but included. I have no objection to their being removed from the squad template, although those are fairly meaningless at a time when squad membership is likely to change appreciably before the next match.
As regards the player articles, I would suggest that they should read something like Noel Christmas (born 25th December 1980) is a Laplander footballer currently at Arctica FC, but who is to leave the club at the end of his contract on 30th June 2008: in a couple of weeks, that might become ... but who is to leave the club, and join North Pole United, at the end of his contract on 30th June 2008.
As regards the comments above, I would say that "being picky" about accuracy in an encyclopaedia is not a criticism: this is an encyclopaedic project, not a fan site or a pub conversation, in neither of which I would have a problem with saying that Huckerby has left Norwich. And I cannot see how whatever an editor has done to Flamini's name on the Arsenal article establishes a meaningful precedent. Kevin McE (talk) 08:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Alright, let's go with the compromise and add an asterisk, if everyone agrees. (CanaryOJ (talk) 14:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC))
I'd go with that. — iridescent 15:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. What chance of extending this across Wiki football articles? Kevin McE (talk) 16:41, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Nil I suspect - we have articles on 1211 English and 267 Scottish clubs, plus 206 other countries worth of clubs, plus all the individual player bios. Even if you can get WPF to agree on a standard, it'd be more trouble than it's worth to enforce, given that all these issues will correct themselves either way come July. — iridescent 17:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Greatest Ever Team

Are we going to put that in or not.. Screechy 12:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Canaries name

I don't get the "no mines in Norfolk" comment. I understood that Norwich was a hub for the international trade in canaries... making a dearth of local mines irrelevant. I'll see if I can "dig up" more info. (Sorry, couldn't resist) Dweller 10:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Flemmish immigrants who arrived in England during the 15th century came to Norwich as weavers. They were nicknamed the Strangers and brought over the fashion for breeding Canaries. Visit Stangers’ Hall Museum in Norwich for more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.211.66 (talk • contribs)
Interesting, thanks. --Dweller (talk) 14:09, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Old Players Not Mentioned

I feel it strange that Peter Sylvester does not seem to be mentioned, was he not the top goal scorer for two seasons.

Moreover, what about Graham Paddon

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2326185/FA-Cup-winner-Graham-Paddon-dies.html

I thought Graham Paddon was the best player Norwich ever had, his flair and work rate is rarely seen. He reminds me now of an early Beckham, and when I followed NFC he was the often the only player worth talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Foogle330 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Bryan Gunn was the best player Norwich ever had; he had that knack for raising the game of anyone else near him. Without him, NCFC in the 1980s and 90s would have just been another Beck-era Cambridge, with a couple of classy players up front but no substance behind them. – iridescent 16:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Players' names should generally be mentioned only where they made some historic contribution, not just because they were great players. Imagine if this were the article on Real Madrid and you wanted to include the names of all their great players - the article would be unreadable. --Dweller (talk) 09:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Real Madrid do have this bloated monstrosity, though. It might be worth having something similar, although in my opinion we'd want higher criteria than their "made 100 appearances" cutoff—"250 appearances, named as Player of the Year, or members of either of the cup-winning teams", perhaps. – iridescent 09:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Popular culture

Please see this recent addition. It doesn't seem very encyclopedic to me - just basically a mention of NCFC. I'd prefer to remove it. Consensus? --Dweller (talk) 08:43, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure NCFC have been mentioned in popular culture many tens of thousands of times. But with encyclopedic interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Bryan Gunn

A small group of us are looking to take this article about a thoroughly likeable man to FAC.

Anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated. As usual for one of our FAC collaborations, I've worked up a to do list on the article talk page.

Cheers, --Dweller (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Youth scholars

This source may prove useful in future, should some become notable. With this datestamp, the wayback machine could probably find it if the club mess about with the web pages. --Dweller (talk) 14:55, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Honours

I've removed the 2nd place in 2010-11 just now - initially I wondered if runners-up were "honours", but on reflection they probably are. I imagine we should just wait until after the last game - given that we're not changing the stuff in the infobox yet. It might be prudent to wait until after the FA announce their punishment of QPR as well. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:50, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

To add, it strikes me that, looking at this properly for about the first time really, that honours and the records/stats bit should be a bit higher up really - these are the simple things that people are likely to come looking for, rather than a list of managers. Any reason why they're that far down the page? The FA diff suggests they may have been shifted at some point? Blue Square Thing (talk) 22:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Anthony Pilkington's "football nationality"?

Anthony Neil J. Pilkington (born 6 June 1988 in Blackburn, Lancashire) is an English professional football player. He is of English nationality, but is eligible to play for the Republic of Ireland through his paternal grandmother, who is from Dublin. And although he has played for the Republic of Ireland U21s, he is still able to play for the England senior team, as they are of two different divisions altogether (U21s and senior are different) and has not announced/declared his national side.Information taken from his Wiki page here

I feel that although he has played for the R. Ireland, as he was born in England, we should still list him in the squad with an English flag - before you say "he chose the U21s means he wants Ireland" note: He was only answering a call-up and he was never called up by any division (youth or senior) of England. In the meantime, we will leave the flag as an English one. TheO&Young (talk) 09:32, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Photo

This photo on Flickr seems to be licensed in such a way as we can use it. How do we go about doing that? --Dweller (talk) 09:30, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:UPLOAD has a link dedicated to the uploading of Flickr-based works. It's Malpass93! (drop me a ___) 09:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Canaries nickname

I was under the impression that Norwich City FC's nickname 'The Canaries' came before their team colours, and that their colours were changed to reflect the nickname. According to football.co.uk the nickname came from the Norwich trade of breeding and exporting pet birds. There is in fact a type of canary called the 'Norwich Canary'. - Tim

I think Tim is right. The first all white canary was bred in Norwich and, I believe, the use of a new nickname prompted the change to the green and yellow strip. - John Cole — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.125.21 (talk) 15:54, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Norwich City F.C.

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Norwich City F.C.'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "FCHD":

  • From Gillingham F.C.: "Gillingham". The Football Club History Database. Retrieved 2007-04-11.
  • From Arsenal F.C.: "Arsenal". Football Club History Database. Richard Rundle. Archived from the original on 6 November 2009. Retrieved 23 October 2009. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  • From Bayern Munich v Norwich City: Norwich City Football Club History Database

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Not honours

FA cup semi finals and Premier league 3rd place are not classed as honours — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben200 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Academy

Useful source ([1]) --Dweller (talk) 12:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Players In/Out

Per a discussion with User:Qed237, I have concluded that the following rules apply for transfers in and out of Norwich:

  1. Loans expire immediately when season has ended, and players return to their club.
  2. Contracts ends 30 June and player can sign with a new club at 1 July (seems like your case, with expiring contracts)
  3. International transfers open 1 July when transfer window opens
  4. Domestic transfer can happen when season has ended (England)

Therefore:

  • Dorrans left Norwich, and then signed permanently, effective immediately (per 4).
  • The 6 players leaving Norwich will leave when their contract ends on 30 June, not immediately (i.e. not yesterday)- therefore they are still members of the squad.

In addition, both the sources with squadlists support the claims I've made above, that all 6 are at the club, and so is Dorrans. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2015

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 22:27, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Carrow Road up for FAC

Please comment at the review page: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carrow Road/archive1 --Dweller (talk) 14:34, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2015

The club anthem "On the Ball City" is sadly not the oldest football chant in the world that is still in use today. It is actually Portsmouth FC's "Pompey Chimes" which were 1st heard in 1890 from supporters of the club's predecessor Royal Artillery FC, also nicknamed "Pompey". Even if "On the Ball City" was first sung by supporters of Norwich Teachers or Caley's FC it would still not have pre-dated the "Pompey Chimes", however it would still be one of the oldest chants in the world. (Smith, Kevin (1999). Glory Gunners: The History of Royal Artillery FC Portsmouth. London: K.Smith. p. 69. ISBN 0-9534707-0-9.) ThePeoplesGame (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Cannolis (talk) 02:21, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Hatnote?

There was a cargo ship named Norwich City and also a WWII naval trawler, HMT Norwich City. As only the former has an article, would a hatnote be in order here? See the Lewis Hamilton article for a similar example. Mjroots (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

They'd be useful if people looking for them might otherwise accidentally end up at the wrong place. The trawler has no article currently, so clearly needs no hatnote. The cargo ship is a different matter... would people looking for it type in "Norwich City F.C." or "SS Norwich City"? If the former is a genuine possibility, a hatnote is called for, but I'd personally doubt its necessity. --Dweller (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
There may be a possibility to add a dab page for "Norwich City", but "Norwich City F.C." is pretty clearly about the football club. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:52, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
However, Norwich City redirects here, so I think this is the hatnote Dweller is thinking of:
"Norwich City" redirects here. For the cargo ship, see SS Norwich City.
If people looking for the cargo ship would type in "Norwich City", then the hatnote would be useful. —C.Fred (talk) 19:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's why I said a dab for "Norwich City" would be useful, other than that, NCFC is by far the most appropriate page for "Norwich City" to direct to. Hat notes for ships named after towns/cities would mean that we'd need hat notes for just about every single town/city, which is clearly undesirable. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Which is the bigger inconvenience, then: the hatnote at the top of the page, or the two-click process for people who follow the Norwich City link to get here? —C.Fred (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Well, in my opinion, the hat note is more annoying. If need be, create a dab page at Norwich City. I'd guess 99.9% of people heading to Norwich City want the club, not an obscure ship. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think either the hatnote or dab page are necessary. Those looking for the ship will know to prefix it with SS. If in doubt, a redirect page from Norwich City (ship) will work fine and it can become a disambiguation page if the trawler article is written. --Dweller (talk) 19:42, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

A quick search also brought up the disused Norwich City railway station. I would prefer to see
"Norwich City" redirects here. For the cargo ship, see SS Norwich City. For the disused railway station, see Norwich City railway station.
this used. Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 23:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Or, how about Norwich City stays as a redirect here (clear primary target), and Norwich City (disambiguation) is created to pick up those cases? Then, we can use this template
"Norwich City" redirects here. For other uses, see Norwich City (disambiguation).
which points to the listing without showing them all. Sound good? —C.Fred (talk) 23:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Excellent idea. One that I feel rather silly for not seeing myself. Agree with C.Fred's suggestion. Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 23:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm happy with this idea. TRM? Anyone else? --Dweller (talk) 10:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Yep, sounds good to me. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Big discussion but no action. Done it now. Incidentally HMT Norwich City was named after the club itself, so if it gets an article it will link here. Davidships (talk) 13:11, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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Aviva FC

Has the club any connection to the seemingly defunct Aviva FC from around 2012-14? I read an article online somewhere that seemed to suggest the club was renamed as Aviva FC for a couple of years, but this doesn't seem right. --82.21.97.70 (talk) 06:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2021

Under notable supporters add Alistair Bunkall, Sky News foreign correspondent and presenter. Eb0014145 (talk) 08:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TungstenTime (talk) 15:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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WP:URFA/2020A

This older FA promotion has good bones, but needs a bit of a tune-up to get to WP:FACR.

  • The lead claims that "On the Ball" was written in 1890, while the body just gives the more general 1890s as a decade
  • "On 27 December 2015, former shadow chancellor Ed Balls was appointed chairman; however, he left in late 2018." - who replaced him?
  • Is there a more recent number of shareholding than 2003?
  • Uncited text in the ownership section as well as the statistics and records
  • The on loan players need a source
  • "Notable players" is unsorced
  • there should be at least a couple sentences description for the development squad, instead of just the empty section point to the other article
  • Player of the season unsourced
  • Is the last popular culture reference really significant, since it just seems to be a one-off line?

This one has pretty good bones, so hopefully it can be worked up and WP:FAR avoided. Hog Farm Talk 15:37, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Crest

The club crest displayed on the article page is out of date. A newer design was announced 7 months ago and came into effect today, 2022-06-17. (See the final paragraph of the "Colours and Badge" section and reference [77]).

Perhaps someone should update the article page accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cupid1889 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

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Song

Where's "On the ball, city" then? GraemeLeggett 19:03, 21 June 2005 (UTC)

last para of 'history section'

Why all the guff in the last para about what's happening so far this season (up to new year 2005/06). We should stick to season end review info only. Otherwise it just becomes a long drawn out game-by-game blow out/.? Jezjezjez 01:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Song and dance

Considering the song concerning the clubs upward movement up the table hasn't been used for a while as we haven't been upwardly mobile for a while. Also Worthy is our King... no he's a hopeless manager with no knowledge of football. But thats another story altoogether 80.189.226.254 02:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Zesh Rehman

Although Zesh Rehman was born in Britain, his national team has become Pakistan when he made his international debut on December 7 2005 against Sri Lanka in Karachi. Haiderhussain 10:04, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Other pages requiring Canaries info

Would some Canaries fan who remembers it like to add some details to the 1975 League Cup Final page. EddieCam 18:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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