Talk:Northport High School

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School Guidelines[edit]

The WikiProject box above is a great reference. For acceptable guidelines on treating schools, please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools. For guidelines on how to treat notable alumni, please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools#Alumni in particular. I'm quoting/paraphrasing a few of the most important parts from that page below:

All alumni information must be referenced. Individual alumni need a citation a) to verify that they did indeed attend the school and b) to verify the statement of their notability in their short one or two line description. If an alumnus has their own article, then it is not necessary for their notability to be referenced, as long as it is done on their actual page.
After a description, state when they graduated or what years they attended. ^{(Personally that sounds to me like a suggestion rather than a rule.)}
People on the list should be categorized according to the field that made them famous: e.g. Politics, Medicine. Alphabetically is permitted but discouraged.

As a group, we should work towards eventually getting the current alumni list in line with Wikipedia guidelines. If you need help with citation templates, see Wikipedia:Citation templates. Alumni currently listed who can not be positively referenced will eventually be removed. --Fife Club 18:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. Expired request. JPG-GR (talk) 17:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Support - as nominator. Here is the link for the correct name [1]. --Ladii artiste (talk) 23:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The official school district website here and the official school website here both call the school Northport High School, no mention of Senior. Truthanado (talk) 00:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Adamantly Oppose - That isn't the name of the school, period. Newsday is 100% wrong. That link above is not the "correct" name as claimed. To end this discussion once and for all, CLICK HERE More below if you need it.--Fife Club (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I think the confusion is coming from media organizations (among other groups) that mistake Northport High School's commonly used name with its legal name on file with the NYS Education Department. [2] Although NYSED probably calls Northport High School, "Northport Senior High School," to distinguish it from middle schools, which, back then, were often referred to as "junior high schools," neither the "junior high school" designation nor the junior/senior distinction is used in the names of high schools any more (in favor of "middle school" instead for grades 6-8). The sign outside Northport High School and it's webpage reflects this. Cody5 (talk) 02:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

This page was incorrectly moved from Northport High School to Northport Senior High School before adequate discussion took place. See the Survey section above. Truthanado (talk) 00:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move was the result of it being incorrectly labeled as an uncontested move. Since the move is contested, it has been moved back to Northport High School until discussion has come to consensus. Truthanado (talk) 03:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

continued from above: There was a Northport Junior High School and Newsday incorrectly assumed that if there's a Junior High School that there must me a Senior High School. But Northport Junior High School was renamed Northport Middle School in the 1990's.--Fife Club (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Removed Alumni[edit]

4 notable alumni have been removed from the article due to the inability to locate any credible, independent sources tying them to Northport High School. I've moved the lines for those four people here so that they may be returned to the main article if somebody can find proper sources.

Note 1: Any website source that uses Wikipedia for their content is obviously unusable.
Note 2: Danny and Chris Masterson have sources saying that their father lived in Northport but nothing about either of them living in Northport, or going to NHS.
Note 3: If you find good sources and are unsure how to properly cite, just post the link (and comment) below and somebody will help out.

Alison Fanelli - Television actress who is best known for the role of Ellen Josephine Hickle on The Adventures of Pete & Pete.

Christopher Masterson - Television actor, best known for his role as Francis on Malcolm in the Middle^[1]

Danny Masterson - Television actor, best known for his role as Steven Hyde on That '70s Show^[1]

Music[edit]

Ian Matthias Bavitz (Aesop Rock) - Hip-Hop, Rap artist

For Alison Fanelli, try checking the yearbook, like I did. It doesn't take a genius to; look at a photo in a yearbook that looks like Alison Fanelli and says Alison Fanelli, and to also have the drama instructors at NHS crowing about her for years afterwards, as well as almost every other student with half a brain and even a passing care to pop culture, to figure out that the Alison Fanelli of Pete & Pete fame and the former alumni, who for some reason just so happens to have the same last name and look EXACTLY ALIKE are ONE AND THE SAME, but since you want credible external resources, I assume you mean you want verification for yourself, so since you're from Long Island and all, why don't you toodle on over to Northport High School (Can't miss it, just north of the train tracks west of Northport Train Station in - where else, Northport, NY and go their library and ask to see the yearbooks. I'll leave it up to you to find the year as I've given you more than enough information. Next time, don't just go around removing information because YOU can't find credible, external sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dingno (talk • contribs) 17:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did not make up the rules of Wikipedia, I just follow them, which means removing unsourced claims. You should try follow the rules too if you wish to continue editing on Wikipedia. You obviously ignored what was already written above, but start off reading Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools#Alumni to learn how all notable alumni must have at least a citation linking them to the school. Then for your editing I suggest you study up on WP:No original research, WP:Verifiability, and WP:Citing sources. And finally for your rude attitude, please read WP:Civility and WP:No personal attacks.

I generously went through the trouble to find source citations for every other name on the list and attempted to find source citation for Alison Fanelli too. But rules are rules and until it can be properly cited she will not be included, no matter how much fan-love you have for her. A more polite way for you to act would have been to suggest a yearbook and ask if that would be acceptable. If you had been polite, I would have told you that books are acceptable citations, but you would need required information such as title (they may not all have the same exact title), publisher, and date of publication. So despite your claim, you haven't given any useful information at all. If you wanted to be helpful, you would visit the school yourself rather than demanding that I do so for you. But I'd say that there's a good chance you're looking at a yearbook with Alison Finelli right now (otherwise why didn't you mention any other names that were removed). If so, you could have simply provided the following information rather than complaining. --Fife Club (talk) 16:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{{cite book | last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title = | publisher = | date = | location = | pages = | url = | doi = | id = | isbn = }}

My tone was irritated because I had viewed a credible source and had put in the information. Not everyone who makes edits to wikipedia puts in information just because they think it should be included despite the lack of there being a credible source. I am not a fan of Allison Fanelli by any stretch of the imagination, but in the spirit of wanting there to be information out there, I felt that her exclusion was an unfair oversight. I dislike football, in fact, I loathe it, but I created the listing for Seattle Seahawks tight end James Hill because I had personal knowledge which was easily verified by external information about it and felt that it should be available. The same with the Heilbrunn Cosmic pathway article (though I confess I particularly enjoyed the exhibit). In that same vein did I include Alison Fanelli, since the credible source, the yearbook, certainly exists. I apologize that I can't give you the name of Northport's yearbooks, but for the most part, the name of a yearbook for a specific school generally doesn't change. For my high school, it was Reflections. For my college, it's Fidelitas. Since I did not attend Northport High School (Four of my good friends did, and thus was I first made aware of Alison Fanelli's enrollment there) Perhaps a NPHS alumni could fill us in? As for personal attacks, my frustration from unchecked editors going around and removing information other people have themselves researched only because they can't find unbiased, impartial, credible sources on the internet. Not to sound rude or like I'm personally attacking anyone but just so we're all reminded, there was a world before the internet. Remember libraries? Newspapers? Published journals? My point being, just because you can't find it on the internet doesn't mean it's not out there. THAT is the source of my frustration. That is the source of my so-called "rudeness". And for the record, personally, you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes civility. I lost my temper, but I was not at any point profane or out-of-bounds. I apologize for my rudeness, but I conditionally state that with the reminder that before you, or anyone, who wishes to remove information from any article(with nods to obviously incorrect, libelous, or openly debatable & questionable information, as well as vandalism and typos and other insignificant minutae, discuss first, then remove.I'm reminded of the Queen of Hearts's infamous line: "Sentence first, verdict after." --Dingno (talk) 22:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's all perfectly understandable. But this matter was previously discussed before anything was removed. A notice and warning was posted on November 13 and no actions were taken until 10 days later. Plus I saved all removed information incase anybody can find source citations for any of them to Northport HS. And like you said, a physical yearbook should be just as valid as a website (if not more credible). But some specific details are still needed, otherwise anybody could claim any facts and put the burden of proof on others to prove them wrong. (P.S. I did go to Northport High School ions ago but I live 1000 miles away now.) --Fife Club (talk) 23:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you are still working on this but I graduated from Northport Highschool in 1997. Alison did go there and graduated that same year. We weren't close friends but we were aquaintances and had some mutual friends. We were both in marching band and roomed together my freshman year of band clinic.

~Jean Ambrosio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzijean (talk • contribs) 01:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jean,

If you read the discussion above you'll see all the details of how a reference proving she went to the school is required, but it does not necessarily need to be on the internet. Do you have a yearbook that has a photo of her? If so, just fill in the information below and we'll be happy to take care of copying it into the article.

title = (Mine has a few titles, including "Slipping Into the Future" and "Open Seas" (yuck). I think Open Seas is the main title.)

publisher = (Mine says "Walsworth Publishing Company" a few pages from the back)

date = (just the year)

location = (Mine says "Marceline, Missouri, U.S.A." under the publisher's name

pages = (you'll need to provide the page number that proves she went to Northport High School)

Also tell us any other publishing info that would be useful. For instance, the spine of my yearbook also says "Vol 11". --Fife Club (talk) 03:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Smith, Jim (May 10, 2006). "Their shows must go off, Two series ending for LI brothers, but Hollywood, here they stay". Newsday. Retrieved 2007-11-12.

Expansion of the article[edit]

I greatly expanded the article by adding information about the location, facility, departments, programs and clubs at the school. I also removed the stub tag due to my expansion of the article. Noneforall (talk) 06:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More information on SHARE and the Natural Helpers Program[edit]

In the 'clubs' section, a club called SHARE is mentioned, and the only information on it which I was able to find on Wikipedia is that it is part of the Natural Helpers program. However, I cannot find out what the Natural helpers program is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.3.38 (talk) 05:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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[Mastersons-1] Smith, Jim (May 10, 2006). "Their shows must go off, Two series ending for LI brothers, but Hollywood, here they stay". Newsday. Retrieved 2007-11-12.

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