Talk:Norman Pilcher

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this person is definitly notable, so im going to remove that tag Janemansfield74 21:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Kelaher?[edit]

Kelaher is mentioned. Who is he? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.37.58 (talk) 07:24, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered about this, but tracked him down fairly easily and have amended the paragraph accordingly. Incidentally, much of this article was cut and pasted from a longer piece here: http://blog.stewarthomesociety.org/2009/06/12/two-bent-london-coppers-of-the-1960s-norman-pilcher-victor-kelaher/ (- not sure how reliable it is). Dayvey (talk) 21:48, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Victor Kellaher was well known in the late 60's as a senior member of Scotland Yard's Drug Squad. Like Pilcher, he loved to exploit the media, but only after the arrests were made. Probably would not have been a good thing to have the media around when arranging corrupt deals. For those unfamiliar with the era, these two might best be described as being "Of their time". they would have been in service at about the time that Robert Mark became Commissioner. Such was the endemic level of corruption in the CID that Mark sacked or forced resignations of one-sixth of the CID. What was interesting is that no officers were ever sacked for planting evidence, assaulting prisoners, committing perjury etc. It seems incredible that a police officer who might be open to bribery could never have any abuse allegations proved against them. You could almost hear Mark saying, " I resent the hypothesis that just because these people were corrupt, that might indicate that they would ride roughshod over a suspects rights"46.7.85.68 (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semolina Pilchard attribution.[edit]

I have some doubts about this. The song was written in 1967 but the arrest of Lennon did not occur until Oct 1968. Sounds more like wishful thinking than fact. I remember the release of "I Am The Walrus" as part of the "Magical Mystery Tour" EP Xmas 1967.46.7.85.68 (talk) 15:23, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pilcher was already known before that for busting other musicians, so it is possible that Semolina Pilchard refers to him, even though Lennon's bust occurred afterwards. I agree that it is probably apocryphal, but we should still mention the speculation as it is mentioned in many sources. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 00:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I accept your reasoning and wouldn't argue with it, but I find it interesting that though it is mentioned in many places, I have only found one reference that mentions that the song pre-dated his arrest and that is on the Wiki page for this song. As a result, they deleted the reference and it is explained in the talk pages. Apocryphal? Yes, but it does make a good story. The only thing I would take issue with, is s would it not be better to mention this in the body of the article along the lines of, "This may be apocryphal as the song pre-dates Lennon's arrest by Pilcher". Just a thought.46.7.85.68 (talk) 11:02, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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The notorious drug bust Sgt. Pilcher. I'll be frank, the article's crap, rumour and unverified facts. Worth a cleanup though, as anyone who's watched Anthology will know. -- Steve 16 March 2006

Last edited at 11:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 01:28, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Death[edit]

Looks like he died in March. https://twitter.com/PilcherBC/status/1371844162677510148 Can't find any mainstream coverage of it, which is slightly surprising. Morwen (talk) 17:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]