Talk:Nikos Skalkottas

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Opening heading[edit]

Was Skalkottas born in 1901 or in 1904? Quite a few sources give the latter. Schissel : bowl listen 19:47, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Slonimsky has a birth date of 8 March 1904. I certainly believe the year is correct.

But I'm not sure about the day. The Friends of Skalkottas website says his OS birth date was 8 March, which equates to 21 March NS. But the 8 March quoted by Slonimsky is supposedly NS, having been converted from 24 February OS. They can't both be right. It wouldn't be the first time an official website has blundered with its subject's birth date. Maybe they just assumed 8 March was OS and made the conversion. But I have caught Slonimsky out in a small handful of errors, so maybe this is another. I guess only a birth certificate would settle it. JackofOz 01:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:21, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nikolaos Skalkottas → Nikos Skalkottas — Please see reasons set out below. Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 13:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Nikos Skalkottas. Actual name used by this person. Badagnani (talk) 04:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC) - Of course! Nikolaos was in his ID! It' s like saying Michael Jagger or James Morrisson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.130.94.171 (talk) 20:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Nikos Skalkottas. We even start out the article with that name in both English and Greek. Nowhere except in the title does the word "Nikolaos" ever appear. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 23:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

URL does not work[edit]

The link to

The Friends of Nikos Skalkottas`s Music Society, official site

does not work. I have looked for alternatives but all fail

Jpff (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced with an archived copy from 3 July 2010. The links within that archived page all appear to work, as well. Thanks for calling attention to this.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Second Viennese School[edit]

How is he a member of the Second Viennese School? Hyacinth (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Prolly on the basis of the articles titled "Second Viennese School" in the New Grove and Oxford Dictionary of Music. Both are anonymous and probably written by the same person (possibly Paul Griffiths?). The former says, "sometimes understood more broadly to include Schoenberg’s other Viennese students of the period before World War I (such as Wellesz, Jalowetz, Karl Horwitz and Erwin Stein) and even composers who studied later with Schoenberg in Berlin (such as Skalkottas)"; the latter article says, "usually understood to mean the group of composers who worked in Vienna (and Berlin) between 1910 and 1930 under the moral leadership of Schoenberg (e.g. Berg, Webern, Skalkottas)". Since these are general reference books, presumably there are deeper sources for this assertion, but the New Grove article by John Thornley on Skalkottas stops just short of calling him a "member" of the School, though it does mention his four years of study with Schoenberg in Berlin, and describes him as a "link between the Second Viennese, Busoni and Stravinsky schools". If you think it will help, I can check Stephan's "Wiener Schule" article in the new MGG, but that will require a trip to the library tomorrow.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked MGG2 and Rudolf Stephan's "Wiener Schule" article does indeed name Skalkottas (along with Winfried Zillig, Viktor Ullmann, Norbert von Hannenheim, and Roberto Gerhard) amongst the "zahlreichen weiterer Schüler Schönbergs" who are sometimes included under the umbrella term. I shall add this information, and this very full source, to the Viennese School article, if it is not already there.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]