Talk:Nesta Helen Webster

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Earlier discussion on Nesta Webster

Full name[edit]

The article should be under this Full name: [1]. Yours truly, --Ludvikus 12:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done! By me. --Ludvikus

I don't agree with this move: she is more widely known as Nesta Webster than by her full name Nesta Helen Webster (and this was also true in her lifetime.) Dsp13 (talk) 13:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image Copyright[edit]

Still not resolved against future deletion! --Ludvikus 20:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you scan it (the picture of young Nesta Bevan) yourself, or just downloaded it from somewhere. As the Grand Lodge website says, it is from "Spacious Days; an autobiography" -- she is sitting on a stone balcony, wearing a long white dress; she is slim, very slim, fragile. The book and picture is out of copyright, but courtesy would dictate to cite source ....
-- nt351, on Sept 22, 2007

I got it off the Web. I'm not as familiar yet with the complex Wiki copyright Labeling rules. But I can tell whether or not something has a valid copyright, or if there's the possibility of Fair use. I used Google's image searcg and that's how I got it. I don't think I even changed the name. So you can confirm the image's identity. Otherwise, could you edit the Image page accordingly? Thanks. --Ludvikus 10:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's her Autobiography's Library of Congress reference info (notice that it's illustrated:

LC Control No.: 51029087

Type of Material: Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)

Personal Name: Webster, Nesta Helen.

Main Title: Spacious days; an autobiography.

Published/Created: London, New York, Hutchinson [1950?]

Description: 196 p. illus., ports. 24 cm

Notes: Errata slip inserted.

LC Classification: CT788.W397 A3

Dewey Class No.: 928.2

National Bibliography No.: GB50-5182

Other System No.: (OCoLC)3493103

Best, --Ludvikus 11:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's

    education@freemasonry.bcy.ca

the email of the Freemansory lodge which posts the image on the Web. Can anyone make the appropriate inquery as to the copyright of the Nesta posted image(s)? Ludvikus 11:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

__________
If you want, you may write to the Grand Lodge, they are very polite people ...
"Detail from a photograph of Nesta Bevan at age 22, reproduced from Spacious Days; an autobiography. Nesta H. Webster. London: Hutchinson & Co., 1949."--http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/webster_career.html#3
Or you may just take my word for it that the picture is from "Spacious Days". I have held the book in my hand and scanned the picture myself. It is 'fair use'. On the internet the source of the picture is the Grand Lodge site (ttp://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/webster_n02.jpg) -- and yours and Google's is from there as the name shows --; or my site (ttp://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/webster/webster_22.jpg)
--nt351 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.10.83 (talk) 22:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quotations[edit]

The following text has recently been removed from the article: "In the latter book, published in 1921, she wrote: "What mysteries of iniquity would be revealed if the Jew, like the mole, did not make a point of working in the dark! Jews have never been more Jews than when we tried to make them men and citizens."^[1] ... In her books, Webster argued that Bolshevism was part of a much older and more secret, self-perpetuating conspiracy. She described three possible sources for this conspiracy: Zionism, Pan-Germanism, or "the occult power." She stated that she leaned towards Zionism as the most likely culprit of the three. She also claimed that even if the "Protocols" were fake, they still describe how Jews behave.^[2]" Are there any opinions about whether it should be reinstated?--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

^ New world order, old world anti-Semitism, The Christian Century September 13, 1995
^ The Professor's 'Pendulum, Los Angeles Times November 9, 1989

Nationality: English?[edit]

The era of this lady's life does not conform to any independent and sovereign nation known as England. How can such a notion be applied retroactively, and undermine the historical (and present) reality of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and [Northern] Ireland? Before you answer would you at least apply this inconsistency consistently? Would Anton Gaudi's nationality be Catalan? Would Jean Marie Le Pen's nationality be Breton? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.245.216.21 (talk) 14:25, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fact Checking[edit]

"Following the First World War she gave a lecture on the Origin and Progress of World Revolution ... Her charisma helped her to captivate some the leading literary, political and military minds of her day. Lord Kitchener in India described her as the "foremost opponent of subversion"."

Kitchener Died in 1916. The First World War ended in 1918. Did she start giving Lectures before the end of the First World War, or is the Kitchener quote erroneous? 125.239.146.151 (talk) 02:25, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pamphlet The Need for Fascism in Great Britain[edit]

There is an ongoing editing dispute as to whether Webster is the author of this alleged pamphlet. Could the rival editors please make their cases on this page, rather than reverting each other? --Orange Mike | Talk 19:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a case to make. I also requested that editor Bill600 use the talk page. My own brief internet search could not resolve the matter, nor excuse the removal of referenced material without a referenced counter-argument. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 00:36, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"The Need For Fascism in Great Britain" (12 pages) is identified on its front cover as: "This Pamphlet is based on an address given by Mrs. Nesta Webster at Kensington Town Hall on Dec 17th., 1926.". It was published by the British Fascists as pamphlet #17. After researching this for more than a decade, I finally discovered a copy at the Churchill Archives Center in Cambridge England in the personal papers of A.V. Alexander 2605:E000:100E:C114:9D08:6122:AAA8:DC47 (talk) 19:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)ernie12412605:E000:100E:C114:9D08:6122:AAA8:DC47 (talk) 19:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Family?[edit]

We know who she married. But what about her children? Valetude (talk) 10:29, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Birth[edit]

The lede quotes her d.o.b. as 24th August 1876. The opening lines of her memoirs state:

It would be difficult to imagine a more peaceful scene than that on which my eyes first opened when, soon after eight o’clock one summer evening (the 14th of August) I entered the serene and untroubled world of late Victorian England.

The memoirs ('Spacious Days') are accessible from this web-page via Internet Archive. Valetude (talk) 09:42, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Protocolls[edit]

"The publication of the antisemitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Was there something presented as an original for those 'protocols'?! Where is it, can it be verified? 105.4.2.125 (talk) 11:29, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See The Protocols of the Elders of Zion for predecessors. --Hob Gadling (talk) 12:07, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] New world order, old world anti-Semitism, The Christian Century September 13, 1995

[2] The Professor's 'Pendulum, Los Angeles Times November 9, 1989

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