Talk:National Labour Party (UK, 1957)

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Bud Flanagan[edit]

The article contained a sentence: "The party was even briefly linked to the London gangster Albert Dimes, who hoped to use NLP members against his rivals Bud Flanagan and Jack Spot, two Jewish gangsters who were involved in funding the 43 Group."

This is sourced accurately to Graham Macklin, Very Deeply Dyed in Black, IB Tauris, 2007, p. 53.

User:Elvislived removed the reference to Bud Flanagan, reasoning, "Removed reference to Bud Flanagan as a Jewish gangster. The source cited Macklin Very Deeply Dyed in Black, says that Flanagan was a Jewish gangster, this is wrong. He was in fact a Jewish music hall entertainer." Which, of course he was; at least the well-known Bud Flanagan was. But the source is clear, and Macklin is a reliable and respected authority in the field. I reverted, with the comment: "You might have considered that there could be more than one Bud Flanagan - read the source."

User:Elvislived again deleted the Flanagan reference, saying that Macklin ".. just gets it wrong as he think the Crazy Gang is the name of a gang..."

Now, while it is very risky to question a noted authority, on reflection I think User:Elvislived may have a point. It is, of course, always possible that there was a gangster, real or so-nicknamed, called Bud Flanagan, and he could have had a gang which would naturally have been known therefore as the Crazy Gang, in "homage" to the entertainers, but I have set about further research in this matter and will report back when done. Emeraude (talk) 12:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It was that Bud Flanagan, but the context is wrong. I e-mailed Macklin who explained that two sentences had been corrupted in editing the book. The reference to Flanagan should have appeared in a sentence after "Jewish gangsters like... " referencing him as the noted music hall entertainer. Mackiln also signposted a story in The Guardian that gives detail on the 43 Group, and Flanagan's role, and I have acordingly used this as a reference in rewriting that passage in the Wikipedia article. Emeraude (talk) 09:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]