Talk:National Basketball Association/Archive 1

Expansion?

shouldn't their be an article about the NBA possible expansion to 32 teams? Snice KC got that new stadium, talks have been starting up about it, and Louisville (where the Houston Rockets were considering moving to) or Norfolk (except for Louisville, is the only ABA city to not have an NBA team) have been considered as the possible site for the 32nd team. Kanga-Kucha

History

In the history section it seems every team is listed (or at least attempted to be listed) when they came into the league. One team that is missing is the New Orleans Jazz during the 70's(?) sometime. --WXAggie —Preceding unsigned comment added by WXAggie (talk • contribs) 00:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

NBA World Champions

I totally agree that the NBA is the premier basketball league in the world, but I don't think they should use the term, "World Champions." Why? The league consists of American teams though they have international players on their roster. Being World Champions means that the "World Champions" per say, have defeated the best teams the world has to offer. If there is a rational explanation as to why the NBA uses the term, "World Champions", please feel free to educate me. Fredprinz

Comment

I'm unsure why editors have changed my wording regarding the got milk? Rookie Challenge. That precise phraseology is (to my knowledge) the proper noun for the name of the event. "got milk?" should not be capitalized; it is a carefully branded effort by the International Dairy Foods Association. As anybody who has followed golf during the last decade knows, these corporate sponsorships, while annoying, DO become the proper name of the event, so to refer to the event as anything other than the got milk? Rookie Challenge, or the Sprite Rising Stars Slam Dunk, is inaccurate. --AppleFan84

(QUOTED FOR TRUTH) 68.98.46.161 06:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

--- Yup, it's true. The NBA is the only professional basketball league that can claim a worldwide audience. We're talking the best players in the world (no matter what country they come from), corporate sponsorships from global companies, and millions and millions of dollars. That qualifies the NBA as the world's premier basketball league for men. I got your back on the reverts. Sikatriz 07:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC) ---

So what if Spain has the world basketball trophy? Spain's best player, Pau Gasol, plays for the one and only NBA.

YES, the NBA is indeed the "premier basketball league in the world." It's a bold statement. And it's true.

Team USA winnng world basketball championships has NOTHING to do with this fact. This is because it is not only Americans who play for the NBA. In fact, a significant amount of NBA players are international ballers.

The top teams in the league, the Suns, the Spurs, the Mavericks, and the Pistons, all have international players who play many minutes a game (Steve Nash, Leandro Barbosa, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobli, etc.). The fact that the best international players come to play for the NBA only solidifes the truthfulness of that "bold statement" that the NBA is the "premier basketball league in the world." 68.98.46.161 02:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

--- Why are the Denver Nuggets listed under a defunct team when they are currently playing? Flcelloguy

The team known as the Denver Nuggets that went defunct many years ago is not the same team as the one that now goes by the same name. They are two entirely different franchises. 68.98.46.161 03:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

--- Hi Not that is is that big of a deal the correct name of the Portland team is Trail Blazers ( 2 words) and the Seattle team spell their nickname SuperSonics

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Also, the Miami franchise's name is properly rendered in all-caps, HEAT. I'm not sure how to change that table but hopefully someone will see this and fix it. ADDENDUM: What's the opinion on the New York franchise? Is not the "true" name of the team the Knickerbockers? Should the chart reflect this?

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Could someone edit the article to explain how the playoffs work, i.e. how many games are in a series and so forth?

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This article, like the previous anonymous poster mentioned, is very much missing info about the playoffs. Additionally, it could use information about individual seasons. To this end, I would propose that we set up seasonal information similar to how the National Hockey League article is becoming (e.g., 2003-04 NHL season). This is likely another one of those long-term projects, but does anyone else think this is a good idea? RADICALBENDER★ 16:13, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

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Do we have permission to use the NBA logo? I think we shoul be particularly careful as sports organisations can be quite aggressive in defending their intellectual property rights. As its almost certainly a trade mark "fair use" arguments wouldn't seem to apply. Lisiate 03:00, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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This is an online encyclopedia. Is the NBA the "premier basketball league in the world"? That's a pretty bold statement. Has the USA won any world basketball championships lately? The Dream Team (Jordan/Pipen) was a LONG time ago. 15 yrs ago? The fact is, the NBA is the premier men's bball league in the USA. If it's the best in the world, to say that in an encyclopedia, I think somebody has to reference a USA world basketball championship. Where is the hardware? The World bball trophy? Fact is, we had it in '02 but it's safely in Spain this year...da bum 21:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

So what if Spain has the world basketball trophy? Spain's best player, Pau Gasol, plays for the one and only NBA.

YES, the NBA is indeed the "premier basketball league in the world." It's a bold statement. And it's true.

Team USA winnng world basketball championships has NOTHING to do with this fact. This is because it is not only Americans who play for the NBA. In fact, a significant amount of NBA players are international ballers.

The top teams in the league, the Suns, the Spurs, the Mavericks, and the Pistons, all have international players who play many minutes a game (Steve Nash, Leandro Barbosa, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobli, etc.). The fact that the best international players come to play for the NBA only solidifes the truthfulness of that "bold statement" that the NBA is the "premier basketball league in the world." 68.98.46.161 02:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If you take a look at the rosters of top international teams, you will find that their best players are in the NBA. Therefore, the success of the USA Basketball team in world competition cannot be used as an argument against the strength of the NBA, since it is fellow NBA players who are wresting the World and Olympic titles away from the USA players. The most valuable players with the greatest potential flock to the NBA to play, because they want to play on the world's premier stage. No competent player in the NBA ever even contemplates leaving the league to play elsewhere. The NBA has the most talented players in the world as well as the most people watching and following the league internationally. The statement that the NBA is the "premier basketball league in the world" is a truth etched in stone; acknowledged unanimously around the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.3.72 (talk) 21:06, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Translation request

Following Schreibwettbewerb on the german wikipedia, their article on NBA is quite much larger that this one. A german-speaking english wikipedian could translate their article. ✏ Sverdrup 18:38, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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i like the seasonal article idea, even though it will take a lot of effort. I've tried to address the lack of playoff and regular season information. Please try to improve it, since I did it rather hastily. And would a section on the offseason be a good addition? king 06:00, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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I could do it, but is that what the group as a whole wants? --Kermitmorningstar 00:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure this issue has already been addressed though, as in a different article for the different NBA seasons.Dknights411 01:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Current Teams

The list of "current teams" deceptively gives the first year of a teams's present incarnation, i.e. the "New Orleans Hornets" are labelled 2002 while the Hornets franchise actually dates back to 1988. This would make sense only if there was a separate "Charlotte Hornets" article, which there isn't and I don't see a need for one.

I would suggest dropping the years altogther and reformatting this section to look like its MLB or NFL counterparts. --feitclub 17:29, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

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I'm unsure why editors have changed my wording regarding the got milk? Rookie Challenge. That precise phraseology is (to my knowledge) the proper noun for the name of the event. "got milk?" should not be capitalized; it is a carefully branded effort by the International Dairy Foods Association. As anybody who has followed golf during the last decade knows, these corporate sponsorships, while annoying, DO become the proper name of the event, so to refer to the event as anything other than the got milk? Rookie Challenge, or the Sprite Rising Stars Slam Dunk, is inaccurate. --AppleFan84

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I was wondering if most people consider the NBA to still have an image problem or not? Especially in light of the brawl last year involving Ron Artest. I know all professional sports have the bad apples, but I was under the impression that the NBA had more of a negative image then other organizations.
JesseG 04:38, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Lockout News

Reports say that the NBA and the Player's Union have agreed to a deal. What should this mean for the "Lockout" section of this article? Dknights411 06:31, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

NBA dab

I remember at one time that NBA redirected to this page, with a note on the top to link to a dab. If my memory serves me correctly, it went something like this:

NBA redirects here, as it's the most common use of this abbreviation. For other uses, see NBA (disambiguation).

Why does "NBA" (by itself) go to a dab page now, when (educated guess) the vast majority of the references to "NBA" on the Net deal with the league? Dale Arnett 20:06, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think that's how most dabs work these days. Better to just throw up the dab page, and let the user figure it out. The correct name for the page is "National Basketball Association" --Kermitmorningstar 00:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Main Rivals on team pages?

When it comes to NBA teams, it's very hard to determine weather or not another team can be considered a main rival. And just because that two teams share something in common, like the Lakers and the Clippers being in L.A., that doesn't mean that the two teams are "Main Rivals". I think that, unless it is specifically stated somewhere else, that these are just POV and therefore should not be included in an article. Dknights411 June 30, 2005 02:31 (UTC)

I disagree. Although I agree that the "Main Rivals" section is very subjective, so are many of the other components of the team pages, specifically the "Other Notable Players" and "Coaches and Others" sections. I think that, instead of eliminating the section altogether, a consensus should be reached via discussion on the talk pages for each team, as to which other teams are its "Main Rivals". king 1 July 2005 23:07 (UTC)

I agree with Dknights411. Not only is it difficult to tell whether or not a team is a true rival, most NBA rivalries are present only while the two teams are competitive. The Celtics (for a decade) and the Kings (for a year or two) were the Lakers rivals. For that reason, I feel rivalries should be presented from a historical perspective in the discussion about a team's history - not under their own category. I also think listing rivalries for every team (e.g. Bobcats/Hawks fer godsake!) diminishes the real rivalries that have occured in the NBA (e.g. Celtics/Sixers, etc.) . Edwardian 2 July 2005 00:59 (UTC)

P.S. As an example of how ridiculous the section is doomed to become, I noticed that Main Rivals section on the Kings page was updated to include: "Los Angeles Lakers, Phoenix Suns, Golden State Warriors, New Orleans Hornets, Dallas Mavericks, Seattle Supersonics, Minnesota Timberwolves, New Jersey Nets, Toronto Raptors, Milwaukee Bucks, Charlotte Bobcats". Why don't we just list every team in the NBA as a rival? Edwardian 3 July 2005 19:07 (UTC)

Good point, Edwardian, but I'd like to point out that the user who contributed the mass of teams listed as rivals to the Kings has also done the same thing with various other team pages, so I believe your specific example is simply the result of vandalism. However, I do understand your concerns, and I like your idea of including it within team history. But I would like to draw more attention to the major rivalries, and not have them be hidden in a sea of text. Suggestions? King July 3, 2005 22:03 (UTC)

We could have disscusions on all the team pages, but I think it would just be better, and be less of a headache, to just eliminate the "Main Rivals" thing all together. Dknights411 July 3, 2005 22:16 (UTC)

King, what are the main rivalries to which you would like to draw attention? Edwardian 3 July 2005 22:22 (UTC)

To answer you, Edwardian: It would be different for each team. For the Lakers, for example, I'd like to draw attention to their rivalry with the Celtics, more so than their rivalry with the Kings. I am not totally familiar with many teams' histories, but I'd propose Knicks-Heat, Bulls-Pistons, perhaps Pacers-Knicks, and maybe even Pacers-Pistons, if they continue to be rivals. A tentative example of what I have in mind would be the NBA Finals article, but applied to individual teams. A rivalry would have to be able to define a team for an era of its existence to be considered major. Simply eliminating the entire "Main Rivals" thing wouldn't do justice to these rivalries, while grouping together under one big NBA history article would diminish rivalries that were of relative unimportance in the history of the league but were important in the history of the team. I know it sounds ambitious, and I have a feeling it'll end up like the seasonal article idea. But it's a proposal.King July 3, 2005 22:45 (UTC)

• King, are the Celtics and Lakers still rivals? Edwardian 6 July 2005 22:25 (UTC)

As a proposal, why dont we just create one new article about NBA rivalries and have links from all the team pages. That way, we can include some of the great historic rivalries (Celtics-Lakers) while mentioning rivalries of today (Spurs-Pistons perhaps?). Anyone else agree? Dknights411 July 3, 2005 23:10 (UTC)

Try it. There's nothing stopping you, and if it's a good idea then people will recognize that. It IS a wiki, after all. King July 6, 2005 19:14 (UTC)

ABA

I noticed there is no mention at all of the merger with the ABA of the existance of the rival ABA at all in the article. I think this would be a good addition.

WikiProject

I had a few ideas for the Spurs page, which turned into a few ideas for all the NBA pages. So I created a WikiProject, which can be found here. Contribute guys!!! Dknights411 July 7, 2005 19:50 (UTC)

• oh and just a quick note, over at the Spurs page is an example of what I think the team pages should look like. Hope you like it! Dknights411 July 8, 2005 02:06 (UTC)

Expansion concerns

I apologize to those who did the excellent work on the possibility of NBA expansion, but this material does not strike me as appropriate for an encyclopedia article. It's very interesting, but it seems like content that belongs on a dedicated sports website or blog.

I agreed when I read the article... so I moved it to its own article. If someone's dedicated enough, they can struggle through reading it. --Matt Yeager 05:47, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Dress code removal

While I agree with the editor's reasoning behind removing the dress code section (not overly-relevant to NBA history), does anyone think that the information is worth it's own separate page with a link from the NBA page? The only reason I think that this is significant enough for its own page is because the NBA is the first professional sports league to enact a dress code. Any thoughts? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 02:08, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. It should have its own article, or at least a place in another article. I am not sure what article that would be. Muhgcee 05:04, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I've created NBA Dress Code, using all the information previously listed on the main NBA page, plus an introductory paragraph. I've added this link to "See Also" on the NBA page. If anyone has a better solution to either the page or where it should be linked, speak up. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 05:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

NBA logo question

Is there any reason why the NBA logo is so similar to the MLB logo?

I could be wrong, but they are probably just designed to create the allusion of the flag of the United States. This would be because they are major American sports leagues and because the image of the flag generally creates pride and other positive feelings in the general public. It's also a possibility that one was modeled after the other, though I doubt either league would admit to that. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 06:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick aside, the American Hockey League's logo is based on the same red/white/blue design (They are using an aniversary logo this year, but you get the point).Dknights411 07:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Plus the NFL logo is largely red, white, and blue based, with an even greater allusion to the American flag than the others, IMO. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 07:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

NBA Offseason

Shouldn't the article include a section on the offseason? It's a very important period of the year where contracts are renewed, rookies are drafted, players are traded, and free agents are signed. If someone could take the time to write a section like that, it would be greatly appreciated. 71.96.179.40 20:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Missing summary of television coverage

There is no section in this article about the NBA on television and I can't find a summary article either. There are huge numbers of articles about specific programmes, but what I was hoping to find (and other sports have) is a summary of the main contracts and what they are worth. Could this be added please, either here or as a separate article? Merchbow 06:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

"New York Knickerbockers" or "New York Knicks"?

When I was growing up, the NBA team in New York was universally known as the "New York Knickerbockers", and the team name was often called the "New York Knicks" for short. (Just like the New York Yankees are sometimes shortened to "Yanks.") On Wikipedia, however, the NBA directory lists the team name as the "New York Knicks." When I tried to change it to "Knickerbockers," another user changed it back to the "Knicks", stating that "Knicks" is what the team is commonly called in the media. I called the team's office, and they told me that, actually, the team is still known officially known as the "New York Knickerbockers." I believe that Wikipedia, which I believe strives for accuracy, should list the team by it's real name, not some nickname created to fit into headlines. I offer the following points in support of my argument:

1. Other NBA teams, such as the Philadelphia 76ers, Boston Celtics, or Minnesota Timberwolves are not listed with the abbreviated names of "Sixers", "Celts", or "T-Wolves" on the NBA directory.
2. While it is true that the team's logo contains the title, "Knicks," the logo does not necessarily reflect the team's actual name. After all, in the 1980s, the Philadelphia 76ers logo contained the word, "Sixers." Baseball has other examples of this: The Oakland Athletics' logo has the abbreviated name, "A's," the Chicago White Sox logo has the abbreviated name, "Sox," and, in the 1980s, the Seattle Mariners' logo had the abbreviated name, "M's." Nonetheless, those teams are still listed on the Major League Baseball directory by the full name.
3. While the national media usually refers to the team as the "Knicks," other sports teams are have often been exclusively (or nearly exclusively) referred to in the media by shortened names. From the mid-1970s through the early 1990s, the media always referred to the Oakland Athletics as the "A's," even though the team was (and still is) officially known as the "Athletics." Even today, many in the media only call the team the "A's." Another name you rarely see in the media today is the "Arizona Diamondbacks." Instead, the print media always calls the team the "D-Backs." This is because the official name is too long to fit in headlines (which is the same reason the media often calls the "Knickerbockers" the "Knicks"). Yet, out of a dedication to accuracy, Wikipedia lists the baseball team in Arizona as the "Diamondbacks." And, of course, the best example of the media ignoring an official team name is the case with the American League baseball team that played in Washington, DC in the 20th century. The media almost always called the team the "Washington Senators," even though the team was officially known as the "Washington Nationals" until 1957. (In my baseball collection, I have two programs from the 1933 World Series. The program for the games played in the Polo Grounds list the team as the "Senators," while the program for the games played at Griffith Stadium" lists the team as the "Nationals.")
4. The directory in the Wikipedia entry on Major League Baseball lists the American League franchise in Southern California by its full name, the "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim," even though the media always shortens the name to the "Los Angeles Angels." Again, shouldn't the Wikipendia entry on the NBA be as thorough and accurate as the entry on baseball?
5. "Knicks" is a made-up word that has no meaning. The actual name of the team, "Knickerbockers," is the name for the descendants of the Dutch settlers of New Amsterdam, and is, therefore, quite appopriate for a team based in New York. Seeing the word "Knicks" in the Wikipedia directory should not be confusing to readers, as "Knicks" is as easily recognized as a shortened version of "Knickerbockers" as "Celts" is of "Celtics", "Phils" is of "Phillies," "Cards" is of "Cardinals," or "Yanks" is of "Yankees." On the contrary, seeing the name, "Knickerbockers" in the directory will help readers unfamiliar with the name discover the origin of the abbreviated name, "Knicks."
6. Then there is the case of television public service annoucement that aired when I was a kid that featured both Willis Reed and Dave DeBusschere. The P.S.A. often ran in late afternoon during children's programing. I can't remember the exact subject of the P.S.A., but, to the best of my memory, it warned children to stay away from any abandoned blasting caps that kids might find. I do remember, however, that in the commercial, the two ballplayers introduced themselves as being from the "New York Knickerbockers."
7. Finally, and most importantly, "New York Knickerbockers" is the actual name of the team. It doesn't matter that the team is popularly called the "Knicks." All encyclopedias, including Wikipedia, should strive not only for accuracy, but for enlightening their readers. Wikipedia should list the actual name of the team in the directory, and not simply bow to public pressure.

Any other comments? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.8.191.137 (talk • contribs) .

Please note that this conversation has already started a bit here, but I'm willing to continue the discussion here as well because it's specific to this article. First off, thank you for your dedication and well-reasoned arguments. Please note that the New York Knicks article does in fact include the official name of the team. However, practically no one uses the full name "Knickerbockers" anymore. While your argument that other teams have common shortenings (often to fit headlines) is noted, none have supplanted the true name so fully as the word "Knicks" has. As I mentioned on the other page, even the official NBA Draft announces the team name as the Knicks (such cannot be said for the Athletics, Phillies, Diamondbacks, etc.). While there is certainly a need for accuracy, I think a note in the main Knicks article is enough, and the general-purpose NBA-pages should use the (above and beyond) more common name. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 00:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

But, shouldn't Wikipedia wait until the team issues a press release officially changing the name of the team, like when the Chicago Black Hawks became the Chicago Blackhawks, or the Anaheim Angels became the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? As long as the team considers its true name as the "New York Knickerbockers," shouldn't we respect that? Are we so powerful that we can dictate a name change to a professional sports franchise? You say that no name subplanted the a team's official name as fully as had the word, "Knicks." I would argue that, for about ten or fifteen years, "A's" completely replaced "Athletics" (I challenge you to find the word, "Athletics" in print between 1975 and 1985) and, before 1957, "Senators" replaced "Nationals." A few years ago, when the Philadelphia 76ers had a logo that was based on the word, "Sixers," would Wikipedia have used that name, rather than the team's full name? --MCB, 7/23/2006

Even considering that 76ers logo (which is one of their alternate logos I believe), the team is introduced as the "Philadelphia 76ers" at NBA games, while the Knicks are introduced as the "New York Knicks", even at their own home games IIRC ("Introducing YOUR NEW YORK KNICKS!!!). If the team REALLY wants to be the "Knickerbockers" in lieu of "Knicks", wouldn't they enforce the use of their name more strictly? With all the other teams you listed, they at least make a point to use their full team name on various official outlets (marketing, website, merchandise, etc...) In these instances, the Knicks use Knicks, in lieu of Knickerbockers, which could actually suggest that the franchise would prefer the use of "Knicks" over "Knickerbockers". Dknights411 02:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

But the same standard, how do you explain the Oakland Athletics? There was a long stretch (more than ten years) when no one used the word, "Athletics." The team's media guide, the public address announcer, the yearbook (as well as all of the media) use the name, "Oakland A's." Yet, the team was (and still is) the "Oakland Athletics." Even Wikipedia agrees on that? --MCB, 7.23.2006

In that instance, the team actually WERE the "A's" for that period of time (why exactly they did that is beyond me), and they were known only as the A's until about 1983 when they changed back to "Athletics" (See the Oakland Athletics article for more information). If that were still the case, then the "Oakland Athletics" would most likely be known as the "Oakland A's" here on Wikipedia. However, the team currently refers to themselves as the "Oakland Athletics" on their outlets, so that's what we go by. If the Knicks shoud start using "Knickerbockers" more frequently, then we would make the nessecary changes then. Dknights411 03:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they were officially named the "Athletics" throughout the Finley period. Check an edition of the Baseball Encyclopedia published during that time. Or better yet, check out the pennant on the commissioner's (world series) trophey from the era. Neither the team nor the media called them the "Athletics," but the name on the trophey said, "Oakland Athletics." When the Haas Family bought the team in the early 1980s, the only change they made at first was placing the words, "Oakland Athletics" in the perimeter of the logo, which still featured a large "A's." (Before that, there were no graphics along the perimeter.) The Haas Family did not put the name, "Athletics" on the jerseys until later in the decade. --MCB, 7/23/2006

Removing Most External Links

I refer you to this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ESkog#Arena_Football_external_links. According to this person, I should be removing most of the "external links" at the bottom of the NBA page. I want to throw this out to this "community" though, to see your viewpoints on this whole issue. Dletter 12:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Do we need to have the Nba's Mobile site on here? --Team6and7 01:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

External links

Ok, in lieu of slapping a 'spam' tag on the section, I've reverted the list back to the three official sites that I could verify. There were probably one or two that may be relevant to the article (the stats site, assuming it had content not at nba.com), but the majority of it was blogs, forums, and random stale news sites. If anyone has any strong feelings about a specific link, subject to WP:EL, please post here before/after re-adding it. Thanks. Kuru ^talk 14:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Name of Sport: Basketball

Number of player: 15

Countries where this Sport is played: United States

Equipment needed: Basketball and hoops

Uniform items: jersey and the shorts that match with the jersey

Name of team positions: center, power forward, small forward, point guard and shooting guard

How do people score points? Shooting by the ream or the 3 pointer

People score points by shooting by the ream or the 3 pointer

Rules named for player?

Didn't they change a lot of rules because of Wilt Chamberlain? The Wilt article says "In his prime, Wilt was so dominant (and strangely reviled, much in contrast to Michael Jordan) that the NBA felt compelled to change several rules to thwart him, creating an offensive goaltending rule and by outlawing the inbound pass over the backboard, the dunk from the foul line in a free-throw attempt, and the alley oop. They also widened the lane in an attempt to slow his progress down." --Awiseman 02:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

NBA Players Association

If you write 'NBA Players Association'(Union) in wikipedia, you would go automatically to this 'NBA' article. I think that somebody should make the Union article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Egressio (talk • contribs)

Why is there no article for 'NBA players union'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Egressio (talk • contribs)

NBA Dominion

I see 2 refs to 11 founding teams, but no list of what the teams were. Can somebody include it? Odo 14:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge from NBA Cares

Please merge any relevant content from NBA Cares per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NBA Cares. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-23 07:59Z

FIBA

The NBA isn't the FIBA-accedited national federation - it's USA Basketball, so adding FIBA parameters in the infobox is senseless. --Howard the Duck 09:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

And the New York Giants are in the Eastern Division of the NFC, so adding NFL "parameters" in the infobox is senseless, right? Yes, the NBA is a member of USA Basketball which is in the FIBA Americas region of FIBA. Others with comments on the organization of FIBA and how it relates to USA Basketball or the NBA please post here. Thank you. da bum 21:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the New York Giants analogy works in this case. I'm inclining to agree with Howard here. The NBA doesn't really fit in with FIBA, considering that the rules and the styles of play are completly different. Moreover, it seems to me that USA Basketball and the NBA are two completly different, unrelated organizations (has the NBA ever gone out of their way to promote international competitions like the Olympics or the FIBA Championships?). While this (rather loose) affiliation should be mentioned within the article, I don't think it belongs in the infobox. It seems to be making the NBA into something it is not. Dknights411 04:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

NBA is a part of USA Basketball, and USA Basketball is a part of FIBA Americas, which is a part of FIBA, well you see the long connection, the NBA isn't a part of FIBA per se. Same with the Euroleague, they're a part of ULEB, which is a part of FIBA Europe... you get the drift. --Howard the Duck 07:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

But how does that explain the differences in the rules between the NBA and FIBA? Dknights411 01:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

How is that relevant in the infobox? --Howard the Duck 04:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

What's relevant here is that NBA basketball and FIBA Basketball are two seperte things, and I haven't seen evidence from either of these two organizations to even suggest this sort of connection. It seems more that the NBA is completly autonomous from FIBA. Do you have proof to say otherwise? Dknights411 13:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

That's the whole point, since FIBA and NBA aren't connected (even if they're connected it still wouldn't have to be included, check out the soccer leagues which are connected to their respective FAs than NBA is to USA Basketball where the FA and the FIFA confederation wasn't mentioned), the mention of FIBA or anything else isn't necessary. --Howard the Duck 18:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Contract rules

Hi. Currently, the rules governing 10-day contracts, D-league call ups, CBA players, rookie contracts, etc. are not collected in any one place. Maybe the NBA article would be a good place to do so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.19.235.130 (talk • contribs)

Agreed, or maybe a spin off article on NBA contracts. Anyone? --AW 16:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

NBA steroid policy

I removed this because I don't really think it deserves its own section. If you disagree, comment here. Marcus Taylor 16:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

In the most recent NBA collective bargaining agreement which went into effect prior to the 2005-06 season, the NBA strongly increased the penalties for abusers of performance-enhancing drugs. A first offense draws a 10-game penalty, a second offense receives a 25-game penalty, a third offense results in a one-year suspension and a fourth offense will result in a dismissal from the league. All players are randomly tested four times during the course of an NBA season.

A problem lingers with regards to drug testing for all four major U.S. sports: there is no test to detect HGH (Human Growth Hormone), a substance that is entirely undiscovered in major sports because they do not administer blood tests. Urine tests cannot detect the presence of HGH, so until sports leagues advance to blood tests, there will remain a degree of uncertainty as to whether or not the leagues' athletes are clean.

Nba Wikia

Hi I started the Nba Wikia http://nba.wikia.com a few months ago and I'm looking for more editors. I f you can help me complete the pages for all the teams it would be very help full. --Team6and7 14:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

There's also http://hoopedia.nba.com. --Howard the Duck 11:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Season announcement

When is the regular season schedule announced? 15.219.233.72 06:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

NBA logo

Does anyone have the NBA logo including the text "NBA" colored blue with white outlines? Jerry West looks lonely in the infobox. --Howard the Duck 04:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

They do They have one ^ I can try and SVG it in a bit. Here. jrabbit05 (talk) 18:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

NBA great

NBA is great —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.237.221.26 (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Jersey numbers

The jersey numbers have to be added to every player who is signed to a team, by adding "| number = (respective jersey number)" to a player's infobox. ● 8~Hype ^@ 11:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Men?

Is the NBA a men's basketball league? Are women barred from joining it? --141.219.44.46 (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

No. Lusia Harris was drafted in 1977 by the Jazz and Ann Meyers signed a contract with the Pacers in 1979. Neither player actually made the team. — Myasuda (talk) 21:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

i was just about to mention this myself. the article says that "The National Basketball Association (NBA) is a professional men's basketball league", and if women are not prevented from playing (much like in the NHL), then it should say "The National Basketball Association (NBA) is a professional basketball league" instead. I fixed it. Charwinger21 (talk) 14:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

BTW, in my previous response, I neglected to mention Denise Long as the first woman drafted by an NBA franchise (1969). She doesn't appear to have a wikipedia article yet, but she's notable enough to deserve one. — Myasuda (talk) 04:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Total NBA Titles table

An ip has been adding a "total NBA titles" table to this article. But I don't think this is a right place for that. So I encourage him to discuss here. But he kept adding it in and accused me of owning the article. Since he didn't start the discussion, I guess I will start it for him. Any thoughts? —Chris! _ct 03:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

NBA actually part of FIBA

There is a comment at the beginning of this artile which says:

"!-- Do not add FIBA parameters since the NBA isn't a part of FIBA.--"

Actually, NBA is a member of FIBA: they belong to USA Basketball which in turn belongs to FIBA. They are a separate corporate entity from USA Basketball and FIBA, but that is true of most leagues. The NBA does plays by a different rulebook, but they are a formal part of the global basketball pyramid. 70.16.199.70 (talk) 05:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Regular season question

During the regular season, each team plays 82 games, 41 each home and away. A team faces opponents in its own division four times a year (16 games), teams from the other two divisions in its conference either three or four times (36 games), and teams in the other conference twice apiece (30 games).

What exactly decide/determined whether if you play 3 or 4 games against specific teams? Mussav (talk) 19:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe among the previous year's standings or geographical proximity or rotation. --Howard the Duck 14:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Intimidating Donaghy?

The New York Times is reporting today that Tim Donaghy's lawyer is claiming that the NBA is engaging, "in a transparent attempt at witness intimidation." The NBA is trying to recoup approximately 1.4 million dollars from Tim Donaghy. More allegations of unscrupulous business practices within the NBA seems very appropriate for the relevant section in this article. Here is a link to the entire article:

• http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/sports/basketball/24donaghy.html

-- Edwin Larkin (talk) 18:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Archive 2008

Conversations older than 2008 have been archived at /Archive 1 an Archive Box added to this page. --$user log (talk) 00:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

BAA article link

What is the point of the new Basketball Association of America (BAA) article? The article text merely repeats the information at National Basketball Association#1940s and 1950s: The early years and a few lists culled from other articles. Furthermore, the BAA is the NBA historically, so I don't see a need for the new article. Also, there are also at least two mistakes in that article that I won't bother correcting, unless a convincing case for the new article's existence can be made. — Myasuda (talk) 14:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

You could file an AfD.—Chris! _ct 18:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I might . . . but I'd like to see what the community thinks first. It may be worth noting, however, that the author of the article appears to have been receiving some negative feedback (see User talk:Yellow Evan) on his other recent edits and new articles. — Myasuda (talk) 22:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

European Division

There should be discussion about the potential of a European Division with teams being full members of the NBA with the ability to win an NBA title.

Mr. Met 13 (talk) 01:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe a line or two would cover it since Wikipedia isn't a Crystal Ball, it can't predict possible future events or expansions. NBC http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/15420361/ says that the probability of expansion are low citing lack of arenas and insufficient profits. This article is pretty interesting http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/13/international.expansion/index.html, however at this point it seems more like fantasy talk than any concrete plans. see also http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2614550 -- GateKeeperX (talk) 03:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:NBA teams organization

Any reason why this is in a template? –Howard the Duck 17:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Question about the age limit that has been implied by the collective bargaining agreement

I was wondering if I could contribute to this article by putting what the age limit that the NBA has, and the rules that go along with it (ex: having to be out of high school for more then a year.) Thank you. --Boogerface4 (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

International players

The article would have to mention Vlade Divac in the international players article as the first European to reach the status of an NBA star. Was regularly in rotation during Lakers' vs Bulls first rivalry in the late 80s and early 90s, later was a crucial player for the Kings and Hornets.

11:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)m —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.102.131.40 (talk)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:National Basketball Association/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

6 images, 34 citations, not GA worthy yet. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 03:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

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