Talk:Muscle dysmorphia

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Example[edit]

GI Joe? Doesn't exactly seem like the best example... i would've thought more like superman, or he-man or something— Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.212.158.13 (talk • contribs) 07:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Seems okay to me, do you remember those cartoons? Those guys looked like Arnie at Mr Olympia. I'll add another example anyway 222.152.249.20 10:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

GI Joe should be replaced with Superman or Batman or other obviously more muscular fictional characters. Gi Joe even at his most musuclar was puny compaired to these other characters and I myself being a bodybuilder am a big fan of Superman and I know most other bodybuilders are also. I don't know a single person who watches GI Joe.

I also believe the whole "baggy cloths" should be changd to "smaller tighter cloths" because I believe I myself have a mild form of muscle dysmorphia and I only wear tight cloths that make my muscles look larger. Baggy cloths would make them look smaller. So wearing them wouldn't make sense.

I believe most of the symptoms listed in this article are completly false and that no one I know who obviously obsesses over their muscle size has these symptoms such as isolation or wearing baggy cloths. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.188.116.132 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 27 February 2006.

RE: GI Joe, I'll have to find the article, but when I read the original synopsis of the study, I remember it was more focused on the GI Joe action figures, whose muscular dimensions were shown to be completely unattainable (i.e. Bicep to waist ratio, etc). --DDG 20:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The line that reads," muscle dysmorphia is fueled by the portrayal of overly fit characters of unattainable musculature in children's cartoons, such as G.I. Joe or Batman", is lacking. It is certainly not just cartoon characters that perpetuate the muscle man image. The Adonis Complex itself mentions a legion of other examples from all kinds of media. A mental disease such as this should also be treated with the care and attention that anorexia and bulimia are given; perhaps not as much attention (because those cases are more numerous), but simply given the same kind of care and attention. One of the posters on this thread has even admitted that he has this conditon; what kind of statement is that to make with such a self-satisfied tone? I think that right there is a good example of the delusionary state that sufferers of this condition undergo: refusing or unable to acknowlegde the severity of the problem, and dealing and discussing it in such a light, non-chalant manner. Another problem is the assertion--even though it is cited--that the problem most commonly occurs in men who are already muscular. I think this should be countered with another study that proves the opposite; I don't know of any particular studies myself, but I know many men around my age who wish to "get big" and they are all skinny. Overall, this article needs to be much better informed.

It's also POV, in my opinion - one of those "invented syndromes" that modern-day people love to obssess over, like (ahem) obsessive-compulsive disorder. I've heard muscle dysmorphia dissed by people simply looking to dump on a guy who's in good shape, same as accusing someone of narcissism or insecurity because they enjoy lifting weights and/or looking good. There's not much scientific evidence concerning muscle dysmorophia, and to me it's just a thing out-of-shape people invoke to condemn in-shape people with. Sure, there are extreme cases, as well as mild "doses". But being a raving lunatic isn't the same thing as being neurotic or o.c. I also think mention should be made of a lot of the bad journalism that's taken and run with this phrase, as though it meant something real; no, it's a "syndrome", which is latter-day medicine's catch-all for nearly anything they choose to define (and deride/derogate, hopefully to sell people on a pharmaceutical to combat it with, although I can't think of how that applies in this case).Skookum1 22:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Off-topic

– nominating all comments below as off topic for failing to add objective information to the discussion, this topic shouldn't grow any further (perhaps it should be archived?)

I disagree. I have seen people who consider themselves below average in size when they are over 220lbs. It itself is a form of obsessive compulsive disorder(Which I also disagree with you, Is very real). It's a disorder that is usually ascribed to people who don't actually have it(Most bodybuilders) however the condition itself is very real.Wikidudeman ^(talk) 16:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that all males have some severity of this "disease". I don't think that it really is a disease or syndrome, because i haven't met one guy who was fine with being skinny all his life. Everyone wants to be big. It's really just a want than anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rob657 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just edited the treatment catagory and removed "* Pharmacotherapy" because the people that are described in this subject cannot be described "sick" or even close. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorpwnz (talk • contribs) 02:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pharmacotherapy is not simply the treatment of illness; it's the medicinal use of chemicals to treat any condition. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of pharma ? Psychoactive drugs do not work the same as other medicine . so im guess im right... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorpwnz (talk • contribs) 03:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A reminder to Skookum1 and Wikidudeman (and several others that commented afterwards) that wikipedia is not a forum and nor a place for original research. Your opinions about whether you believe "compulsive disordor is an intended syndrome" do not matter here. Nor does disagreeing with it.

I think from WP:TPG the following is relevant here.. "it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements". Wallby (talk) 23:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page not moved. @harej 03:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Muscle dysmorphia → Bigorexia —

Perhaps a move can be done to make it more inline with Anorexia User:87.66.58.166 08:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The manual of style says to use the scientific name. Recury (talk) 18:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed.
— $V = I * R$ (talk) 22:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose WP:COMMONNAME. bigorexia is an uncommon name. 76.66.192.144 (talk) 03:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Vigorexia?[edit]

Vigorexia redirects to this article. Why? --Abdull (talk) 22:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That appears to be the Spanish word for "Bigorexia." I'm digging around to see what the procedure is for deleting a redirect. Hertzyscowicz (talk) 19:55, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See the Redirects For Discussion entry on the topic Hertzyscowicz (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prevention[edit]

Society needs to start placing more value on the intrinsic worth of the individual and less on external appearance. Once it does not take a particularly strong person to separate how they look from how they feel, dysmorphia will decrease in frequency.

I believe adding in a prevention section not only adds more information to the article, but changes the article as a whole. Instead of being discussed as a matter of course of psychology, we have to recognize that we created the disorder as a society and it is dually within our grasp to make it come to an end. Independent sources have verified the cultural contribution we've made to the disorder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samgldstn (talk • contribs) 00:20, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately it's not for Wikipedia to advocate any particular position, even in the vaguest terms by saying "Society" needs to do something, so I have undone your edit. If there are sources on this then something can be added but it needs to be more neutral and based on the sources, which should be added as references.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 01:24, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As the above response indicates, this encyclopedia is not for activism in the name of public health or personal health. If authoritative, reliable sources discuss prevention, then that can be mentioned. But until there is a sizable campaign to prevent muscle dysmorphia, there is no more to say in such a campaign. As it is, the article is too subjective and opinionated. Although edits after mine have added valuable information, they are generally written in the manner of a lengthy book on the topic, and the statements are extremely redundant. — Occurring (talk) 00:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Visibility[edit]

Until my edit just now, the lead paragraph implied that muscle dysmorphia was unlike anorexia nervosa in being hard to spot because sufferers don't look unhealthy (paraphrasing). I've edited it to remove the implication that anorexia is obvious - both muscle dysmorphia and anorexia nervosa are mental disorders which have a substantial effect on the sufferer's life before any physical changes become extreme, or even apparent. It is unhelpful and incorrect to perpetuate the idea that you can tell someone suffers from a mental disorder by looking at them.135.245.248.77 (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The lead did not suggest that mental illness is obvious by looking at someone, and so your concern, however good, is misplaced. Nor did the lead suggest that persons experiencing anorexia nervosa immediately show obvious physical signs, or that the disorder is only physical. The lead said something different: that the usually healthy appearance associated with muscle dysmorphia especially masks this disorder. Underweight and malnourishment are indeed signs of anorexia nervosa. Is normal appearance or muscular appearance a sign of muscle dysmorphia? — Occurring (talk) 00:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]