Talk:Mike Martz

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I've removed some content and a picture from and related to Mike Martz hate sites as it violates Wikipedia's NPOV, No Original Research and No Propaganda Policies. Hopefully it won't be reinstated. - 66.93.144.171 14:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Biomechanical engineer[edit]

I read in either the Detroit Free Press or the Detroit News a short biography of Mike Martz, and it related his quarterback coaching, and his Offensive strategy to his study of biomechanical engineering, and his own vision problems.

That he studied the discus to create a new way for QBs to pass that allows them to release at any point in their drop. If anyone cares to find more about these things and put them in this article it might make it more interesting.

Rahonavis 20:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Post rams career[edit]

I believe may not be quite accurate and consists of alot of conjecture and unverified claims. I do not recall him ever being expected to 'turn around' the offense and before the start of this season many lions fans that I know have believed that the talent the organization had claimed to have on it's roster was over hyped. As for the final part where it seemingly suggests that he failed his job, I don't agree with that. I've been reading the Lions' blog everyday since this time last year, in a interview with Rich Eisen shortly after he got the job - and when Harrington was still in Detroit - he gave no specifics as to what he was expected to do, and neither did his head roach Rod Marinelli. Lastly, although i'm sure theres more to cover; when asked by a reported shortly before christmas what he would want for christmas, he said quote "To lose 30 pounds and have a offensive line". The 32nd (dead last) rushing rank (based on total yards) is not generally something that offensive coordinators are held responsible for unless his superiors believe it to be scheme related, the Lions have fired their previous and then current offensive line coach and have fired numerous offensive line coaches in the last 4-5 years and fired one just halfway past the 2005 season when Steve Mariucci was fired.

So basically I believe that 1: We are not aware of what exactly his expectations from the Lions' are and 2: He is not responsible, as determined by the teams publically (and frequently) expressed grief regarding their offensive line, for the rushing rank.

Obviously I cannot fix it as I am very biased on this subject, but I believe that what is written contains bias as well. Can anybody fix it from a neutral point of view?

EDIT: I will add though that he was the quarterbacks coach and receivers coach, which would (arguably?) make him partly responsible (cannot disregard the players) for the passing rank, which is very respectable at #4. Basically what i'm saying is that he had no control over the offensive line, which is necessary for any successful running game, but did have (and might still have?) what was control - seemingly complete control - over all of the significant elements of the passing game, which I believe was the best rank the team had since 1998, or equal? (?) 71.87.7.14 07:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Warner, Bulger, and Green[edit]

I understand that factually it may be correct to list Warner Bulger and Green in the top 10 per QB ratings, but that statement is very misleading. That sentence needs to be toned down and focused more on their top ten ranking by QB rating and less on "finest in NFL history". NCErnst11 (talk) 17:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

While I am not the biggest Martz supporter, I found the "Chicago Bears" section in the article almost entirely biased. The tone sounded like an essay written by an angry Bears who just used as many anti-Martz sources as he/she could find. It contained words like, "the media criticized", "fans criticized", or "widely criticized" do not belong on Wikipedia (WP:WEASEL). The section should instead focus on objective statistics eg ranks, conversation %, red zone % ect. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  02:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not Neutral Article[edit]

This article is just completely biased towards Martz being the best thing since sliced bread. An article can have criticism and still remain neutral. It is ironic that any criticism is dismissed because of an injury or etc., but the accomplishments do not contain these same details (key offensive players hitting their best years all at the same time.) It should be noted in the article that he never came close to the same accomplishments that there were in St. Louis. Please make this article more neutral and not simply gloss over the rest of his career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.35.195.245 (talk) 02:45, 14 October 2014 (UTC) I looked up information on Detroit, the only reason their passing numbers were so much higher was because they basically abandoned the run under Martz with them finishing last in rushing (attempts and yards) the years he was there. The 2008 season saw Kitna go down in week 4 for the season, and the backups didn't play well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.35.195.245 (talk) 03:12, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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