Talk:Michael van der Veen

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This is again a biased article trying to ridicule van der Veen. One could just as easily select events and say that he ridicule some of his interviewers or contradictors.

See how he was interviewed here by an anchorwoman speaking about little changes made by the house prosecutors (a small green checkmark missing, a small typo in a date)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V33Op4UHPI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.143.210.7 (talk) 21:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MVDV lied. He denied calling it an insurrection (see 0:58-1:32 in the CBS video). But he did. He said this:

"…there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point everyone agrees."

She was right. He was wrong.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4946237/user-clip-mvdv-agrees-insurrection Jukeboxgrad (talk) 21:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, everyone agrees it was a peacful protest. You carefully ommitted "the question before us is not whether there was" thingy. Check for yourself, who is is the Emperor of USA? Right, no one. 2A00:1FA0:27A:B579:88C0:D0CE:1135:6B49 (talk) 09:46, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael van der Veen at Trump's impeachment trial
Michael van der Veen at Trump's impeachment trial
  • ... that Michael van der Veen (pictured), who represented Donald Trump at his second impeachment trial, also represented a man claiming to have been served a fried rat at a KFC? Source: here: "Tearing into a bucket of chicken at KFC last year, a West Philadelphia man claims in court that one of the wings he bit into contained a fried rat. Represented by local attorney Michael van der Veen, Troy Ponton brought his suit on March 29 ... "
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Cbl62 (talk) and The One I Left (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 02:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Image is PD, hook is amusing and verifiable, article new enough and long enough. Earwig pings high (72%) similarity, which made me pause at first, but quick perusal showed it was taken from the article rather than the other way around. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization[edit]

There’s been some disagreement about the proper capitalization style for a name like Michael van der Veen. His last name is van der Veen; the name is probably of Dutch origin because that is a very common way that they do their last names. And that’s how we are supposed to list it: lower-case v on van, except capitalized at the start of a sentence. In other words, the first time we name him we say Michael van der Veen, and after that we say van der Veen (except at the start of a sentence where we say Van der Veen. The lower case letter looks weird to some people, but it is the accepted style. Examples: The Washington Post, NBC News, Politico, USA Today. I made all of our usage consistent in this format yesterday, but User:Iandaandi changed them all to Van der Veen.[1] I intend to change them back, but I’ll wait a day or two to see if anyone objects. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


For Dutch names where "van" is involved, it's a rule in most style guides to capitalize "van" when referring to the last name only, as in "we all admired Van Gogh's painting". It might be different for these newspapers, but it is the common standard in other publications (books, articles, studies, etc.). It's a small point, but consistency is the goal, I agree!

Here are some references that support this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_(Dutch) Chicago style: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/185852/initial-capitalization-of-foreign-surnames-when-starting-a-sentence MLA https://style.mla.org/citing-dutch-names/ From the Gov style guide: https://www.loc.gov/aba/publications/FreeSHM/Appendb.pdf 

  Family names with initial particles. Headings for individual families derived from French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, German and Dutch may include the initial particles De, Du, La, L', Von, Van, etc.     
  Capitalize initial particles in family names in both headings and references. Examples:
           100 3# $a Baden family
           400 3# $a Von Baden family
           100 3# $a De Groot family
           400 3# $a De Groote family

Iandaandi (talk) 06:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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