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Read the article and see that I have explained that she was a real historical person and is NOT nonsensical. Also read the link to Fulk FitzWarin and READ that he was a real historical person and not a fantasy.--jeanne (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it was added in error and I have removed it. BigDuncTalk 10:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with the revision to her birthdate if that of her father's birthdate is true. But is there any source for the precise date inserted instead? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I got it over two years ago (when I created the article) from a history of the Butler family which I had downloaded many years ago into my old (broken) computer. I'll keep searching for it, as it's a reliable source. You might know of it-it's a complete pedigree of the Butlers of Ormond. The 1187 date is a biological impossibility as her first child was born in 1192!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the exact birthdate, as we have *no* evidence of which I know for that. None of the sources cited give it, and it smacks of fanciful thinking.Wjhonson (talk) 07:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have also removed the marriage year 1189 as we have no source which states this year in particular.Wjhonson (talk) 07:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably the best thing to do seeing as I have had no luck in finding the Butler site where I had obtained the dates. Without a RS, the dates are indeed open to doubt.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
