Talk:Manuel Senante

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removed picture[edit]

hello, Haldraper. Can you please advise why you have removed the photograph of Alicante from the first section of this entry? You claim you have "fixed text" - I have not noticed any change to the text. regards,--Dd1495 (talk) 08:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, iirr, it was to stop the text being pushed out of shape. Haldraper (talk) 09:29, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Haldraper. Thanks for the info.

I have noticed that you have been a WP editor for many years with outstanding record as to the number of contributions. I have also noticed they are mostly edits which consist of deleting what the others have put in the entry; there are very few articles you have created yourself and you very rarely add anything to the entries you work with. Hence, you might not really know the feeling what it is like to be at the other end of the WP interaction. I mean being the one whose contribution is edited – this is, in 95% of cases deleted – by you.

Please note there are WP editors who spend hours if not days just to add pictures to entries they had written. They keep combing the Commons to find pics which might illustrate the text best. It is usually difficult, as most pictures do not really fit; they are either remotely related to the narrative, or are of poor quality, or are too detailed, or are too general, and so on. Not to mention that despite efforts of the Commons guys, pics might not be classified into appropriate categories and one has to browse a number of “suspected” categories to check whether they contain something worth placing in the article. Once you selected the pictures, you often experiment with their placement in the entry: which paragraph? left or right? which size? to crop or not to crop? what capture? This might be an iterative process which could take days, as placement of one picture affects the text flow and general message related to earlier pictures. I know users who in case of longer articles – say, 4,000 words – spend days on nothing, but testing how the entry looks like with various versions of the pictures in.

On April 16, 2020, there were below 240 seconds between you edited an entry on Alicante and deleted a photo from the Senante article. I can not help the feeling that 240 seconds do not allow lots of time for reflection on deleting the work the others have put to create a reasonable entry.

And then, you have made a deletion, because on your smartphone model (or whatever “mobile device” you used) - and with your particular display personalized settings - the text seemed “pushed out of shape” to you. Please let me suggest that this was a bit cavalier. What seemed “out of shape” to you might have not seemed so for other users. Even assuming that everyone in the world is accessing WP using the same hardware and the same settings as you do. However, there are millions of users, I suppose, who keep browsing WP using their PCs or TV sets and do not have problems with “out of shape” text flow, distorted by small smartphone displays. Following your edit, these users will not be able to see what they gained in compensation for not having a 400-word text paragraph somewhat enlivened with a picture and for not being able to sense the atmosphere of Alicante at the time when the protagonist of the article was born.

I appreciate the work that many WP editors do when engaging in small, detailed, laborious, petty corrections. There are some users whose contributions border, egh, editorial heroism - like BrownHairedGirl or John of Reading. I enjoyed the priviledge of getting my defective entries corrected by them. I can not help the feeling that they set the standards when it comes to respect for work put into WP by the others. Regards, --Dd1495 (talk) 09:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. Haldraper (talk) 10:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

Under the purview of Wikipedia policies, for example WP:COMMONNAME, this article should be title "Manuel Senante", as that is the most common name in sources (Spanish- and, I suppose, also English-language ones, miserable sample notwithstanding). In addition to being WP:CONCISE (regarding the artificial addition of mother's surnames a rationale can be found in WP:MAIDEN), that title also happens to be WP:PRECISE enough to identify the subject within the current set of English Wikipedia articles. Asqueladd (talk) 15:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Complete reference missing for "Victoria Moreno 1984"[edit]

The article refers twice to a work identified as "Victoria Moreno 1984", however the complete reference (title, year of publication...) is missing. CaféBuzz (talk) 19:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After an online research, I assume it is La temática antimasónica en la prensa católica de Cartagena (Primer tercio del siglo XX) by Diego Victoria Moreno (it is available online but I cannot past the link here, WP blocks it). @Dd1495 : would you be kind to confirm and complete the article properly? CaféBuzz (talk) 20:04, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]