Talk:Manchuria

China

來者說此地為中華

A Manchu official at the mouth of the Heilong River told Mamiya Rinzo that he was in China (Hayashi Akira, 1913:237.155, 159)—Rajmaan (talk) 07:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Palladius

p. 142, p. 142, p. 142.—Rajmaan (talk) 08:12, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

How you haven't been banned from posting in talk pages I will never understand. Oh, you have. Weird that it was for sockpuppetry and not for these spammed Google Books search result lists. — LlywelynII 05:54, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Etymology

Eh.

I suppose there is an entire graduate thesis that can be written on the obviously wrong statements of various historians about the origins of this place name, but I don't think this section of this article is the place to do it. The OED has the word in English in 1706 as a translation of a 1704 Dutch account. Any of these academics who said it was first invented in the late 18th or early 19th century was just wrong and we don't really need to discuss them at all here, except to cite the sources who show them to be patently wrong. The others already have their names in the references being used and don't need to be discussed in the running text, unless there are tertiary sources that go into the ongoing controversy and its present-day state. — LlywelynII 08:07, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Suspicious Edits Here and on Other Similar Pages

I'm no expert, but I was interested in what "China's Ten Heinous Crimes" were, and searched for it on Wikipedia, only to find that the text appears verbatim in at least three other articles. This seems suspicious, and at least should be deduplicated, I think. Even more suspicious is that the only mention of these Heinous Crimes is from this copypasta. Where's the page about them? What's the full list? There's no other indication of what they might be. Dr spork (talk) 04:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Possible error in information about the population of Manchuria

I want to inform you of a possible inaccuracy in information contained in the "Population Change" section of the article. In the aforementioned excerpt, it is stated that "By 1900, 150 million of Manchuria's 170 million inhabitants were Han Chinese". However, I would like to alert you to the possibility of inaccuracies in these numbers.

Several scholarly sources offer considerably lower estimates for the Han population in Manchuria during this period. For example, "Appendix A: Population and Cultivated Area in Qing Manchuria" in Christopher M. Isett's "State, Peasant, and Merchant in Qing Manchuria, 1644-1862" provides an estimate of nine million. Additionally, another Wikipedia article on the "History of Manchuria" puts the population at around fourteen million in 1900.

It is also important to mention that in notes to the first chapter of "Manchuria: A Concise History", by Mark Gamsa, it is explicitly commented that the population estimates presented by Mark C. Elliott (the same ones used in the sources of the article) may be wrong.

It is said: "Mark Elliott, "The Limits of Tartary: Manchuria in Imperial and National Geographies, Journal of Asian Studies, vol. 59, no. 3 (Aug. 2000), pp. 603-46. Elliott is mistaken in the population figures he gives for 1900 in this important article: it was about 17 million, rather than '170 million total, of whom 150 million Han', p. 636, the result of miscalculating 1,700 wan from a Chinese source."

I kindly request that the aforementioned section be reviewed and corrected. TheDionysian (talk) 03:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@TheDionysian: Thanks for the sources. I haven't checked them, but if that's indeed what they say then I'd support the change to 15 and 17 million with a citation to the Gamsa reference. — MarkH₂₁^talk 04:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)