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Requested move 7 June 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved as a technical request. Nothing controversial here. (non-admin closure) RGloucester — ☎ 21:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mail Coif → Mail coif – Fix capitalisation error (Hohum ^@) 20:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Highly inaccurate image[edit]

The image used to illustrate this article completely ignores the fact that actual mail coifs were constructed and worn rather differently. First of all, the mail present in the image seems to be just a butted ring replica of mail (i.e. butted mail), whereas historically accurate European mail had riveted rings (i.e. riveted mail). Though butted mail was also used historically, it was used far less than riveted mail, and it was not used in Europe. Medieval European mail was riveted mail. Second, no one ever wore a piece of mail directly on their heads, as shown in that image. It would make wearing the mail armour a tiring experience, and diminish the defensive capabilities of the armour. All mail coifs were padded underneath, so they could be worn comfortably. This is the exact same solution as with the various types of mail shirt - they weren't worn on the naked body or on clothing, but on top of padded armour (e.g. gambeson, aketon). Please try to find a better image for a mail coif, as the current one is completely ahistorical. --ZemplinTemplar (talk) 09:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to one with some kind of cloth beneath, it's the best I could find and if anything provides a slightly better representation of how these things were worn. Not sure if I agree with the butted vs riveted thing, but the habbit of reenactors just putting some chainmail over their hair is indeed a bit silly. Dapperedavid (talk) 21:43, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]