Talk:Luka Modrić

Spurs league cup honour

Is it worth adding his runner-up medal for Spurs? He received one in the 2008–09 Football League Cup. Govvy (talk) 22:29, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Persistent edits

I have made constructive edits to the page, which can be viewed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luka_Modri%C4%87&oldid=871975775, but such edits are consistently reverted by User:Miki Filigranski, under fictitious grounds. If you view the changes, it helps not only the navigation of the article, but is a streamlined passage of facts. "Miki" is also in severe violation of Wikipedia rules by persistently reverting the edits. - BoogieFreeman (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Removal of content ([1]) in the lead which is reliably sourced in the Luka Modrić#2018–19 season (as well Messi–Ronaldo rivalry) section does not make a constructive edit nor showed any valid reasoning for the removal. Also, stop to WP:PERSONAL attacks and WP:EDITWAR, and seemingly disruptively re-add +3,000 bytes of already existing information (infobox). You already broke the WP:3RR.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 15:12, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Per admin's note [2], the removed content from the lead was "...during 2013–14 season" in the first sentence, which was for a long time included in the lead. By its removal, the sentence lost time period context because "became a key contributor under head coach Carlo Ancelotti" would imply Ancelotti was the coach at the time of Modrić's arrival in the 2012-13 season, which is wrong because the coach arrived in 2013-14 season. Similar issue is with the removal of "Furthermore, he has been named the Croatian Footballer of the Year six times until 2017, tied with Davor Šuker for most wins.". Another removal was "In 2018, Modrić became the first Croatian and player from the former SFR Yugoslavia territory ever to be awarded the UEFA Men's Player of the Year Award, and with winning The Best FIFA Men's Player award and the Ballon d'Or he also ended a decade of triumphant rivalry between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo", substantiated by BoogieFreeman in edit summaries that it was not "facts", "sourced", "an interpretation", while it is exactly the opposite. It is a fact that Modrić is the first player from Croatia and former Yugoslavian territory to receive the FIFA, UEFA and France Football awards, as well that by winning these awards he ended the decade-long awards triumph of Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. This is sourced by BBC, The Guardian, The New York Times, The Times among others, which are cited in the mentioned articles. In short, the substantiation for the removal of content is false.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 23:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

After reading this, I agree with Miki Filigranski and his changes. BoogieFreeman, you're being a jerk and you need to step away for more than three days and come back when you ready to build an encyclopedia. One Factor (talk) 06:39, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Career stats table

Premier League of Bosnia and Herzegovina is quite a long title in the stats table, is there a shorter version of that we can use? Govvy (talk) 09:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Origin controversy

This section was reverted per WP:BRD because is substantiated by unreliable Serbian tabloids as well is mentioned interview with Daily Mail which is also an unreliable source per Wikipedia standard. Either way, there's no controversy either and there's no need for a separate sub-section in "Personal life". If his mother is of Serbian ethnic identity that it should be mentioned in the "Early life" section, but only if there are reliable sources and this excessive detail is enough notable for inclusion, which is doubtful. We really don't need another case of Novak Djokovic article where editors are constantly fighting the same boring debate about parents' identity. --Miki Filigranski (talk) 20:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Not to mention how "f***** up" are these nationalistic debates. These nationalistic tabloids are highlighting that his mother's side is of Serbian ethnicity and his maternal relatives were killed by Croatian Ustashe during the 1940s and practically saying "damn you for feeling pride in being a Croat" as if that collective guilt is relevant for his Croatian family and the 1990s and he should be instead proud of his supposed "Serbian identity" while ignoring that the Serbian Chetniks murdered during the 1990s his paternal Croat grandparent and paternal relatives although again whatsoever should the individual guilt of those Serbian criminals have to do with Serbian ethnic identity. Idiocy which doesn't have a place in an encyclopedia.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 20:22, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, there are also WP:BLP issues with those edits, so they should stay out.--Maleschreiber (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Miki Filigranski: Welcome to the world of if he’s evil or untalented, must be Croat, if he is good or talented, has to be Serb. The ultranationalist POV pushing never ends. Good on you for having patience. Also side note you hit the nail on the head of what has been the mission of some circles for years here on Wikipedia. Weaponizing this platform for demoralization, collectivizing guilt and image/damage control. You will continue to see this on and on again. These circles act this way (despite for the homeland being conquered by Ottomans for over 350 years of no independence). I’ve blown my top a fee times but learn to just accept there are those how act like this. You are some of the few rational editors with good intentions. Hope you stick around despite the toxicity. Cheers OyMosby (talk) 06:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Pjesnik21: please don't edit any more information based on unreliable tabloid sources. This information is nor mentioned nor confirmed in reliable newspapers, his biographies and autobiography.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 22:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Style of play section needs some work

Glad to see this section has been well maintained and expanded upon in my time away, however I have some moderate gripes with its current state. Notwithstanding the player's tremendous plaudits and worthy praise, this section reads very heavily like a promo piece or fanfare commentary which does not pass Wikipedia's bias check. At first glance, it has too many subjective adjectives without really offering enough analysis on Modric's role or style of play to the casual viewer/football follower. I think it also should focus more on his ability to maintain possession and unlock a possession/passing gameplan for Real Madrid/Croatia. Both teams have gradually built a tactical strategy that relies on his ability to read the game and evade pressure. It would also be worth mentioning his proficiency as a long-range shooter and tireless pressing to win back possession. The quote from Hollieur also now feels slightly dated and could potentially be replaced with a new one. I am interested in hearing others thoughts here. BiH Domiy (talk)

You made extensive edits on style of play and reception removing quotes and information from reliable and relevant sources which were included for many years. The removal had exactly the opposite effect of what you claim to want. Strange. --78.0.124.32 (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, please note that the duration of information on the page does not make it correct. The previous version of this section broke many of the standard Wikipedia rules for bias and relevance - eg: what relevance does the nickname 'El Pajaro' or 'Lukita' have in regards to Modric's style of play? These are trivial facts at best which do not belong on this page - another standard rule for Wikipedia. Another example is the extensive use of quotes from irrelevant parties. The world does not need to know what every single person thinks of Modric. He is a widely praised player who has been commented on by almost every commentator and analyst in the world. Including every single possible quote does not add any additional value. I'm more than happy to send this article to review to have it edited by an impartial contributor. Being an editor on Wikipedia myself (and one of the original contributors of this page), I am quite confident that my edits will be preferred. Thanks.

The nickname is a triviality but quotes from fellow footballers especially countrymen and managers especially those who bought and managed him are not irrelevant parties. They bring value by giving weight and context to the claim of being the greatest Croatian footballer of all time, one of the best if not the best footballer in the region of the Balkans, one of the best midfielders of his generation, why was brought to Real Madrid and so on. These are not trivialities. Instead of some quotes maybe needs better wording.--78.0.106.228 (talk) 14:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, the awards don't belong to the reception section.--78.0.106.228 (talk) 14:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

2014 FIFA Club World Cup should be added to his trophy list.

Even though he didn't play, he still won the trophy.

Real Madrid's official website has him winning 4 FIFA Club World cup trophies:

https://www.realmadrid.com/en/football/squad/luka-modric

Here is Luka with the medal following the final:

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-marrakech-morocco-20th-dec-2014-real-madrid-cf-luka-modric-and-gareth-76786062.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.126.197 (talk) 00:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Sporting career

He was made king of soccer in 2022 sporting event and now lives in the most expensive house in Croatia. 2001:8003:3F00:9401:41D1:5D75:2F8E:B598 (talk) 07:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Best midfielder of "all time" vs "his generation"

It’s seem to be common knowledge that for the last 4 or 5 years Modric has been regarded as one of best players to ever play his position. This is a sentiment that is documented in various ways (top 10 lists, praise from managers and players, as well the general consensus amongst fans) I am having an increasingly hard time understanding why the phrase “of all time” has been consistently removed in favour of “his generation” when the reality is that doesn’t paint accurate description of where Modric ranks amongst the players who played in that position in the history of football. Regardless of the references provided, the phrase “of all time” has been repeatedly removed for reasons that I would describe as “knit picking” or unfair scrutiny. Why is this suddenly the case? If the references references provided aren’t seen as credible enough then what is? As it stands it genuinely appears that there is an agenda against having Modric acknowledged one of greatest in that position (again, a sentiment that is almost unanimously documented EVERYWHERE) Footballfan777666544 (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources that support that he is regarded as one of the best players of all time. "Common knowledge" is not sufficient; see WP:OR. The opinion of fans is irrelevant. Until reliable sources can be provided, these changes will continue to be reverted. — Manticore 07:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

There have been numerous “reliable sources” and yet it’s still Benn reverted, are top 10 lists from credible publications not enough? Are the opinions of legendary figures in the sport not enough? When these sources have been provided for some reason they aren’t seen “credible” so again I ask…what is??? Footballfan777666544 (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

If there are numerous reliable sources, then please provide them here, as Miki Filigranski has done below. The onus is on you to do this research, not other editors. From that starting point, a discussion can then be generated to determine if there is consensus to make the change you have suggested. — Manticore 07:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

The reverts are kind of strange because have been cited numerous reliable sources regarding him one of the best players & midfielders of all time. Recently even Andres Iniesta regarded him as such ([3]). The description "of his generation" was universal opinion roughly held until 2018, but since his Ballon d'Or and else in the last four years the viewpoint firmly changed although claims for "all-time" can be found even before 2018.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

In addition, take for example the lead of Andres Iniesta's article, for the claim of "all-time" were used only three source from more or less reputable news sites than those used in this article, but reliable sources: Mirror ("Where does Iniesta rank among the greatest midfielders of all time?", 2018), SportBible ("The 10 Greatest Midfielders In Football History Have Been Named And Ranked", 2021) and Sportkeeda ("10 greatest midfielders of all time", 2021). Modrić was not mentioned in the first, but was in both sources from 2021 (as 8th respectively). Modrić is undeniably one of the greatest of his generation (which includes Iniesta and others), but his reputation goes beyond his generation (which is the same case for Iniesta and only few others of his generation).--Miki Filigranski (talk) 16:59, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I thoroughly agree with Miki Footballfan777666544 (talk) 13:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

User:ItsKesha please revert ([4]) and stop removing reliable sources which are relevant for WP:WEIGHT about the claim. The list is untouched for many years for a reason, before making such edits start a discussion on the talk page.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 23:04, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

15+ sources is more than enough as it is! And there shouldn't be any reason to even included any sources in the lead per MOS:LEADCITE. Plus are "UK Blasting News" or "The Fresno Bee" or "Pulse Nigeria" even reliable sources? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 23:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

December - IP pending edits

While making an edit an IP made a pending edit which content was included in my edit revision without my knowledge. IP made additional edits on subjects early life (noting false and unsourced Serb identity of his family members, removing Serb identity of perpetrators and so on). Tiresome. Miki Filigranski (talk) 02:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

User:Iseult why did you accept IP's disruptive edits?--Miki Filigranski (talk) 11:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Manticore, Kosack, Mattythewhite, Cannolis, Kante4, and Neonorange: please take care of the pending changes on the article and never accept such changes. Especially take care of the article in the upcoming 30 days. The article at the moment has a very high daily pageviews (115,000-200,000). Literally, thousands of people at the moment are reading unsourced false information about Modrić's early life.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 12:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Miki Filigranski for keeping the page. I fixed something, the rest that was made by vandalism IP 46.239.2.202 unfortunately I did not see. I hope that this repair will not be pending for long and that the administrators will approve it. Thank you again.93.137.161.221 (talk) 12:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

It would have been fine if didn't make an edit before me because my edit would have been automatically accepted. Now we need to wait for reviewers or admins to make a review of your edit. Reviewers seem slow today.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 13:01, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I thought no one wanted to fix it so I tried to fix it, because no one fixed it for half a day what vandal IP 46.239.2.202 did.93.137.161.221 (talk) 13:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for your contribution. Wouldn't call the IP vandal but did make controversial edits which got reverted on other articles as well, will watch it.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 13:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2023

Could you add this to external links ? and his ID is: 3723 154.180.73.183 (talk) 19:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Djoković Modrić Petrović etc.

Why is it not mentioned that Luka Modrić's mother Radojka Dopuđ is an ethnic Serb from the villiage of Kruševo near Obrovac? If Novak Djoković's mother is listed as Croatian (with no evidence), then why is it not the same for Luka Modrić? Is it not a positive thing that could unite us all together. I love watching Modrić play knowing that his talent is a mix of Serbian and Croat love

https://actacroatica.com/hr/surname/Dopu%C4%91/

Interview from 1993 with Radojka Dopuđ's cousin Major Jovan Dopuđ, a member of the army of Republika Srpska Krajina during the war:

Youtu 110.175.35.134 (talk) 22:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

No reliable source mentions that Modrić's mother is of Serb ethnicity. The link you provided for Acta Croatica mentions that "Dopuđi in Croatia are predominantly Serbs, mostly from Obrovac, but often also Croats (from Zadar)", so it is inconclusive and possibly her own family or herself do not identify as Serbs. Your comment that Modrić's talent "is a mix of Serbian and Croat love" is a misplaced identification of individual person talent with collective ethnicity and race. Such tribalistic, nationalistic and racial rationale is not welcome on Wikipedia.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 05:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)