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2006 talk from Ignatians article

[The following is from a talk page on Ignations. The Ignatians page has a redirect to here.]

Here are my thoughts on what to add:

  • Improved history - original founders, notable alumni, past moderators, etc.
  • Images - Higher resolution Ignatian I, gray cardigans
  • Off-campus service - service info/external links
  • Recruitment info(?)

--Kid moxie 22:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Several Ignatians have agreed that Jib-Jib epitomizes what it means to be an Ignatian so please let him stay. Jib-Jib is a good man and his story needs to be told. Thanks.

While I agree that Jib-Jib might be a nice story, please try to keep the content of Wikipedia as accurate (i.e. base on reality) as possible --157.127.124.141 16:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

USNWR Comparison to UCB etc.

Whoever added http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/compare/items+11649+1264+1312+1315+1328 saying it means Loyola Marymount outranks the other schools was in error. They were in different normalized categories. It's comparing apples and oranges, where the apples are normalized to Harvard, and the oranges are normalized to Trinity University. If anyone disagrees with this, please discuss here. 128.220.160.6 (talk) 06:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

New Logo, etc

I found a copy of the seal in a larger resolution and colored it in manually. Also added the stationary logo at the bottom. I want our wiki page to look good. haha It's not perfect, but it's better than before. I also added color blocks and a USA flag in the location section of the info box and the motto in English thing. Just a couple of finishing touches. :)

I just added a new version of the seal. The new version more accurately represents the official colors and is much sharper. Mishigaki (talk) 05:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Endowment

Just wondering where the $500 million came from. Most of what I have seen has been around $250-$270 million, unless the endowment doubled in size within six months, which would be very impressive.

71.135.126.235 06:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Where are your sources for this $250-70 number you've "seen around." Per the website the total clocks in at $380 millions. http://www.lmu.edu/Page37688.aspx Admit32

NPOV

I'm with Danny -- What are you talking about? I'm so confused! I'm surprised LMU would be ranked below UCR. 70.231.231.161 (talk) 01:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

HUH? Danny

Wealthy and beautiful? True, I suppose, in the same way that spoiled and blonde would be. I think that statement needs some quantification.

I was wondering how LMU would rank academically in the Shanghai Jiao Tong University survey (do a google search for "best universities"). San Diego State is at number 301 out of 500 world universities. Does anyone know how much lower the Loyola Marymount campus would be than UC Riverside or Santa Cruz (both # 101 of 500)? If someone really knows please reply to my query. Thanks. Vivaldi4Stagioni 08:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Layout

Just a suggestion: This page has alot of good info; however, it could be organized a bit better. Have you thought about creating a full article for the athletics section. Take a look at how the Boston College article is organized...it's really good, & I've been using it as something of a model for my work on the SCU page. SCUMATT 05:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Layout suggestion

I agree SCUMatt that a better layout would help streamline things. But I would suggest giving the Campus Ministries section it's own section, no? It seems to take the bulk of LMU's entry yet isn't entirely relevant for most surfers imo.

Campus Ministry

I created a new article for LMU, Campus Ministry. Does anyone have an issue with this? I do think it helps shorten LMU's very long article and gives those who want to learn more about campus ministry a convenient link.

Notable alumi edits tonight

A couple of red wikilinks showed up tonight. The most suspicious is one annotated with The Fro Doob which only shows up in Wikipedia entries on this name and mirrors of Wikipedia. The name appears to belong to a law firm but the The Fro Doob sets the hackles off. The other entry for Tom Leach should also be confirmed.

On other articles I follow for other projects, red wikilinks are not allowed unless the link is really well known. These two are obscure to me and could be self or complimentary edits. Ronbo76 06:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

St. Ignatius Loyola

Well, it turns out that ST. Ignatius Loyola founded this wonderful, outstanding business university. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.33.97 (talk) 23:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Broken Link

The link in the page summary up top that should link to the page of the 5 Marymount (collegiate) institutions (if such a page exists) instead links to the page of a college prep school in New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raliugar (talk • contribs) 01:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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Student-related information polluting this article, specifically the Greek section

It looks like some administrator at LMU has taken it upon themselves to remind the world of LMU's Greek Life policies. This does not belong in the Wikipedia article.

Example:

There are non-registered and un-recognized groups that exist on campus and are NOT affiliated with LMU or any of its departments. Any group that claims it is a part of LMU has no validity unless registered through Student Leadership & Development. More information can be found at www.lmu.edu/greeklife

Cite your policies all you want, but no matter how hard you try you cant deny the existence of other Greek organizations at your university. Stating otherwise is outright lying, and the truth needs to be told. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M07tex09 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of Facts

In regards to the Campus Greek life section, LMU outright misrepresents facts about the presence of other Greek organizations on campus. Though they may not be recognized, these organizations still contribute in a big way to campus life. Any misrepresentation by LMU should be condemned, as people searching Wikipedia should gain a thorough understanding of the school community. I consider this a major violation of trust of a major university. M07tex09 (talk) 02:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Let's be very clear here. First, Loyola Marymount University does not edit this article; Wikipedians do. Second, Wikipedia is not a forum or a complaint department for potentially libelous statements that are contradict the neutral point of view. It sounds like you have a bias towards this university and should not edit it or take out your bias on it. ----moreno oso (talk) 02:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Point well taken—however, editors could also be at the college. The college leaders may, or may not, know about concerns. 68.123.157.117 (talk) 00:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

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Please learn how t properly edit before making a mess

@68.4.189.113: Please stop turning this article into a puff piece. Wikipedia is not a platform to advertise and most of your edits will have to be corrected or removed entirely. Chris Troutman (talk) 13:31, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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Adding Section About Univeristy Library to Academics

Obviously, I have a COI when it comes to this page. So may I humbly suggest that the following (or something near abouts with external citations) be added to the "Academics" section by someone without COI.

William H. Hannon Library

The William H. Hannon Library opened in 2010 and is the main library at the Westchester campus, serving the research needs of the LMU students, faculty, and staff. As of 2018, its collections included 582,406 print monographs, 686,285 e-books, 105,877 bound periodicals, 53,941 e-periodicals, 337 databases, and 5,544 linear feet of archives and manuscripts[1]. The 120,000 square-foot building is LEED Gold certified and contains 580 individual reading stations, 33 group-study rooms accommodating, various collaborative study spaces, two library instruction classrooms, the Terrence L. Mahan, S.J. Gallery, the Thomas and Dorothy Leavey Foundation Information Commons, a Faculty Innovation Center, the Carrie Estelle Doheny Foundation Faculty Lounge, and the Von der Ahe Family Suite[2]. The library is staffed by 26 professional librarians and approximately 25 library staff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.242.198.48 (talk) 16:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Beyond its general collections, the library's special collections holdings emphasize English literature of the sixteenth through the nineteenth centuries, as well as other areas such as Jesuit history, which includes some of the earliest histories of California, and book collections of Californio families such as the del Valles. Manuscript holdings are especially strong in documenting the history of the Los Angeles’ urban development, with the Fritz Burns and Daniel Freeman papers; of important Roman Catholic families in Los Angeles, such as the Workmans and Dockweilers; and of the entertainment industry of Los Angeles, including, for example, the papers of Hollywood producers Arthur P. Jacobs and Samuel Z. Arkoff.[3]

Johnxlibris (talk) 16:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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Also, we need sources independent of the University. We cannot rely on what the library puts out on its website for information about same. Further, much of this content violates WP:UNDUE and WP:PEACOCK. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
We don't necessarily need independent sources for information that is not controversial. And most of these claims don't appear to be controversial. (Whether they merit inclusion at all is a different discussion.) ElKevbo (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
But the problem here is that we have librarians using Wikipedia as a promotional mechanism. I've encountered the same behavior at other collegiate libraries. I've always drawn the line at independent sourcing so we let media coverage limit the amount of dreck we publish here. Otherwise, Wikipedia will favor corporate interests' self-publishing (like schools) and punish private interests' (like hobbyists). Chris Troutman (talk) 20:28, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
I understand the concern but the general principle of "we cannot use self-published sources at all" is one that the broader Wikipedia community has rejected. In this specific instance, we might not want to include all of the information that has been proposed but surely it's appropriate and useful to include a paragraph about the library and its collections in an article about a university.
What specific material in the proposed addition do you find objectionable? ElKevbo (talk) 20:36, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Added citations. It's worth noting that institutional data on LMU's wesbite is already cited in other parts of this article. Universities are required to publish this data on their websites and, if falsified, can be in jeopardy of losing their accreditation. I agree with Elkevbo that not all of this info might be necessary per WP:UNDUE but I thought I would err on the side of too much rather than too little. Again, my apologies for not doing this right: I'm (obviously) still a pretty inexperienced editor. Johnxlibris (talk) 20:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Facts and Figures". William H. Hannon Library. Loyola Marymount Univeristy. Retrieved 5 April 2019.
  2. ^ William H. Hannon Commemorative Brochure. Los Angeles: Loyola Marymount University. 2009. pp. 8–9. Retrieved 5 April 2019.
  3. ^ "Loyola Marymont University, Dept. of Archives & Special Collections, William H. Hannon Library". LA as Subject. Retrieved 5 April 2019.

LMU location

The University is formally located in Westchester, CA, not "near Playa del Rey". Yes, it's close, for sure, but we can be more specific. Janicelp```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janicelp (talk • contribs) 21:35, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

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