Talk:List of most consecutive games scoring in NCAA football

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MICHIGAN has taken this record from BYU. PLEASE UPDATE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.66.40 (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notability & unencyclopedic tags[edit]

I am willing to hear arguments as to why this article does not meet notability guidelines or is unencyclopedic. I believe it is notable as this is a statistic that the NCAA keeps track of. Reliable sources also report on this type of information. See, for example, this ESPN.com article that discusses at length the end of BYU's scoring streak: [1]. If no one objects within a suitable time, I will remove the tags.

I already removed the 'orphan' & 'original research' tags as those plainly no longer apply — there are currently 5 articles linking to this article and the citations I added support the information contained. —Ute in DC (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Having waited more than two weeks for comments and received none, I am going to removed these maintenance tags from the article. —Ute in DC (talk) 23:16, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Title change[edit]

In the 2014 FBS record book, this list is called "Longest Streak of Games Without Being Shut Out". I'm not saying that this should be copied, but I think the word "streak" should be fit in here somewhere. Also, this article is specifically about Division I, not just the NCAA. I propose the title to be changed to "Longest NCAA Division I football consecutive game scoring streaks", similar to Longest NCAA Division I football winning streaks. Kobra98 (talk) 22:28, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The FBS title says what it means and it is clear. "Consecutive game scoring streaks" is ambiguous, or at the very least, hard to parse, because as a grammatical matter it is not clear whether "consecutive" modifies "game" or "streaks". Also as you propose it, there are 7 adjectives in a row before you get to the noun, which is actually what the article is about. Better: "Longest Streaks of Games without Being Shut Out (Division I NCAA football)". But you could also just add "Division I" to the current title and fix the clarity problem you note. JohnInDC (talk) 23:01, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Category:Lists of college football team records informs, regarding naming conventions. Note, while this article currently encompasses FBS and FCS, it does NOT preclude inclusion of the currently-omitted Division II and Division III records. UW Dawgs (talk) 23:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It may not preclude the inclusion of Division II and III stats, but since it doesn't currently include those, then the title should be more specific in reflecting that. If someone wants to add those stats, they can make the title "NCAA football", but until then, I think it should say "NCAA Division I football". Kobra98 (talk) 20:31, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern Carolina's Streak?[edit]

ECU was recently added to this list (uncited) though they are not on the officially cited NCAA list.

Looking through the ECU 2021 Season Media Guide (pp 66-69), they appear to have not been shut out since 10/4/1997 so they should be on the list.

Should ECU be included as a footnote beneath the Division I list with a link to the independent citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SquigglyDownUnder (talk • contribs) 02:23, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Via email with Jeff Williams at the NCAA (2/28/2022), they will follow up with ECU and see if this is a correction that needs to be made in the official record book. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 13:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How did you know who to contact at the NCAA? I have been following this for like a decade, annoyed at USC's lack of inclusion on this list. They were last shut out in 1997 as well, which was 305 games ago. 15 of those games were vacated (14 wins, 1 loss), for a streak of 290. Based on the inclusion of Ohio State and Alabama, which had vacated wins in the middle of their streaks listed on the table, USC should be there too, as it's clear the NCAA does not consider vacated games to break this streak. (as an aside, I wonder what would happen if you were shut out and then that game was later vacated; could that "restore a streak"?) Embowaf (talk) 04:43, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jeff Williams is listed as the point of contact on the main 2021 Football Records page:
https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2021/7/30/2021-ncaa-football-records.aspx
Interesting question re: why USC isn't on the list and I would suggest emailing Jeff about that too. If there's a correction to be made, hopefully it's done prior to the next release.
As for the aside, wow. That's a whole can of worms. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I have emailed him about USC as well, and linked him to the discussion. And yeah, vacated games (and forfeited games) are a huuuuuge mess and probably not worth the hassle as a "punishment". For instance, USC's official record against UCLA is 49-33-7, not including 2 vacated wins... but UCLA's official record against USC is 33-51-7, because their losses were not vacated. Embowaf (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: 2021 record book is out and ECU and USC are not listed. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 12:59, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a Discrepancies section and included ECU. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 14:27, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've added an entry for Louisville in the Discrepancies section and emails Jeff Williams at the NCAA about both. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 17:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Records through 2021 season delayed[edit]

The NCAA has not yet updated the FBS records for 2021. When they do, they should be published here:

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2022/7/7/2022-ncaa-football-records.aspx SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 15:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 FBS Record Book published this past weekend. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 13:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Records Delayed[edit]

The location of the cited FBS record book has moved to:

http://fs.ncaa.org.s3.amazonaws.com/Docs/stats/football_records/FBS.pdf

It has been updated for the 2022 season however the “Longest Streak of Games Without Being Shut Out” category still has not been updated. I've emailed the NCAA to see when the record book will updated. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 12:46, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Followed up via email with Jeff Williams at the NCAA, there is an unknown timeframe if/when the record book will be corrected to include 2022 records on this streak or research further into the missing schools. This is considered a low priority. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 15:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Record book was updated today to include 2022 season. Iowa was added. SquigglyDownUnder (talk) 17:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for constantly following up. Wonder why it's so hard to figure out what to do with ECU/USC/Lousiville considering verifying scores from the 1990s to now isn't hard at all. Embowaf (talk) 00:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And ECUs streak is over. Hopefully they get added to the official list soon. Embowaf (talk) 12:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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