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"Tunnel Snakes"? Isn't that a fictional gang from Fallout 3? Or is there an actual gang called the Tunnel Snakes?

Interesting - apparently there are no black gangs in the USA... Tnolley (talk) 17:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, how come there are no black gangs any more? Is it the Obama-factor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.217.134 (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Irish Gangs[edit]

The article states, "Notable criminally-active gangs in the United States include:" however it looks like most (all?) of the Irish gangs are from the late 19th/early 20th century. Perhaps they should be removed / moved to a new page? That, or rewrite the aforementioned statement Buzzbo (talk) 05:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

yakuza[edit]

i might be wrong but aren't there yakuza acctivities in the united states?--99.62.32.61 (talk) 04:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Born to kill[edit]

This is said to be defunct and not so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.53.143 (talk) 18:01, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

White Aryan Resistance[edit]

Should these fellas be included in this list? While they are affiliated with many white supremacist gangs, they are a legitimate organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebin Memer (talk • contribs) 23:26, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

content requires sources[edit]

Any claims about a gang being of a particular ethnicity will require reliably published sources that verify such identification . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You do not get to make up the rules that are well established. Read the underlying articles for details. Hmains (talk) 04:56, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am not "making up" the rules. the rules WP:BURDEN and WP:Source list are clear. content requires sources in the article/list article that the claims appear in. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:08, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of destroying things, you seem to have so much interest in this list that you can certainly do the work of reading each underlying article and copying the sources into this article. Then you would be positive and useful. Hmains (talk) 03:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I see you choose to be negative and useless. Hmains (talk) 02:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- 1) it is not "destroying things" to remove claims that are not sourced. It is in violation of policy WP:BURDEN and therefore disruptive, to attempt to re-establish claims without providing an inline citation.
- 2) it is not my job to find and provide sources that you claim exist somewhere.
- 3) there is no valid justification to have as the demarcation of items in an article that is "gangs in the United States" the sole and arbitrary factor of a claimed ethnic background.
- 4) i see that you choose to violate yet another policy WP:NPA -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If a gang, such as the Latin Kings or Netas are predominately Latinos gangs, there doesn't have to be a separate source cited here on this list. That isn't policy. It's contained in the actual article. If there isn't a sourced claim in the article, then it would need sourced here. That said, some of these entries are over specific. Also, some are some, like the Crips, that may have been predominately black, but there's not an insignificant number of white members as well. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:55, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BURDEN / WP:OR Yes, quite specifically per policy, there does. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:01, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Efforts to sort list are being overwritten[edit]

TheRedPenOfDoom, your wholesale edits are overwriting my incremental edits to sort the list alphabetically. Please cease.

As an aside, I notice you have changed the list from its original style and formatting, and that is not copacetic. with the MOS house style conventions. Checkingfax (talk) 03:21, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The policies requiring appropriate sourcing override any niceties of MOS. Do not restore claims without appropriate inline citations validating each claim made. see above. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:41, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TheRedPenOfDoom, Stop overwriting my list sorting edits with your copy/paste batch edit. If you overwrite my list sorting edits, I have no choice but to revert your overwrite of my list sorting edits. Capeesh? Checkingfax (talk) 05:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

whatever "sorting" of the list you wish to do, you MUST support the claims by supplying inline citations that validate every claim. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetizing a linear list is just common sense. Checkingfax (talk) 08:01, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What is the rationale for racial and ethnic sorting? That seems very ill advised.MarkBernstein (talk) 11:45, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MarkBernstein, if you review my non controversial edits you will find that my only edits are to sort the list alphabetically. However, TheRedPenOfDoom keeps over striking all my sorting edits from an article blanking edit that s/he is performing. This is my dog in this fight.
As for having sections and parens for ethnicity, that's been the style of the page for over five years, and each wikilinked gang is identified by their ethnicity on their individually wikilinked page. If you want to abolish ethnic mention tied to gangs then do it on their article page too. There should be a Talk page consensus before changing the overall style and content on this page. Many editors previous put a lot of effort in to the section and paren content creation. I have not yet participated in any granular sorting by section naming or content naming. Checkingfax (talk) 23:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, you were not merely "alphabetizing" . You were also making unsourced assertions that each and every gang has an "ethnicity" in violation of WP:BURDEN and WP:OR. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:49, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, TheRedPenOfDoom, you have my edits confused with somebody else's. You need to chill. Checkingfax (talk) 07:53, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you are sharing accounts and thinking of your edits from that other account:

Before you started "sorting" : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_gangs_in_the_United_States&oldid=679354569 - no claims of gang ethnicity.
With your first "sorting" edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_gangs_in_the_United_States&diff=next&oldid=679354569 every gang claimed to have an ethnicity and not one source. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:07, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 5 September 2015[edit]

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Please add under the picture of Al Capone:

-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:09, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Holmes, Ronald M.; Tewksbury, Richard; Higgins, George (2011-12-02). Introduction to Gangs in America. CRC Press. pp. 91–. ISBN 9781439869475. Retrieved 5 September 2015.

Early African American gangs[edit]

Been watching a lot of early 20s and 30s gang history all centered on Italian, Chicago, and Irish gangs. They all interact with black gangs, but there is no series I can focused on black gangs. I'm interested in learning more. BWBUTLER01 (talk) 15:02, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[HolmesTewksbury2011-1] Holmes, Ronald M.; Tewksbury, Richard; Higgins, George (2011-12-02). Introduction to Gangs in America. CRC Press. pp. 91–. ISBN 9781439869475. Retrieved 5 September 2015.

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