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A splash of colour?[edit]

Class	Height
Munro	3000+ ft	914+ m
Corbetts	2500 – 3000 ft	762 – 914 m
Grahams	2000 – 2500 ft	610 – 762 m
Marilyn	–2000 ft	–610 m

How do other editors feel about colouring the rows in the four pages of Scottish Marilyns based on the height of the Marilyn? I had in mind four colours, one each for Marilyn that are also Munros, Corbetts, Grahams and sub-2000' Marilyns (see box). Of the 1214 Scottish Marilyns, 205 are Marilyn Munros, 219 are Corbetts, 224 are Grahams and 556 are lower Marilyns. As an example, I've region 4A (the area around Glen Nevis) is done below. There are three reasons why I'd like to do this.

It makes it easier to locate all mountains of one class — this is particularly relevant to Corbetts and Grahams, and once I've coloured these four lists, I'd like to propose that the List of Corbetts be deleted and either replaced by a redirect to List of Marilyns in Scotland or a similar Corbett-specific index page.
Colour is another way to make certain information more accessible. As we order by prominence, identifying all of the hills of a certain height is non-trivial and the use of colour will hopefully ease this.
It's livens up an otherwise dull black-and-white page.

A similar technique is used on the List of Hewitts and Nuttalls in England and the List of Hewitts and Nuttalls in Wales; however, the colouring there is based on topographical prominence (as the lists are ordered by height). Nevertheless, the principle is the same: the Hewitts are a subset of Nuttalls (if we ignore Ireland) in the same way that the Corbetts and Grahams are subsets of the Marilyns — colour is being used to allow the lists to be merged and Hewitts to be easily picked out of combined list.

Peak	Height (m)	Prom. (m)	Col (m)	Grid ref.	Parent
Ben Nevis	1344	1344	Sea	NN166712	none — HP Great Britain
Binnein Mòr	1130	759	371	NN212663	Ben Nevis
Stob Coire Easain	1115	611	504	NN308730	Ben Nevis
Leum Uilleim	909	499	410	NN330641	Chno Dearg
Màm na Gualainn	796	461	335	NN115625	Binnein Mòr
Beinn na Gucaig	616	451	165	NN062653	Màm na Gualainn
Stob Choire Claurigh	1177	446	731	NN262738	Ben Nevis
Aonach Beag	1234	404	830	NN197715	Ben Nevis
Glas Bheinn	792	388	404	NN258641	Leum Uilleim
Sgurr a' Mhàim	1099	316	783	NN164667	Binnein Mòr
Cruach Innse	857	306	551	NN279763	Stob Coire Easain
Sgurr Eilde Mòr	1010	271	739	NN230657	Binnein Mòr
Bidein Bad na h-Iolaire	528	263	265	NN115708	Sgurr a' Mhàim
Cnap Cruinn	742	245	497	NN302774	Cruach Innse
Stob Bàn	999	234	765	NN147654	Sgurr a' Mhàim
Sgurr Innse	809	216	593	NN290748	Cruach Innse
Creag Ghuanach	621	212	409	NN299690	Stob Choire Claurigh
Binnein Beag	943	197	746	NN221677	Binnein Mòr
Beinn na Cloiche	646	194	452	NN284648	Glas Bheinn
Stob Bàn	977	174	803	NN266724	Stob Choire Claurigh
Càrn Mòr Dearg	1220	162	1058	NN177721	Ben Nevis
Doire Ban	566	161	405	NN090643	Màm na Gualainn
Sgurr Choinnich Mòr	1094	159	935	NN227714	Stob Choire Claurigh
Tom Meadhoin	621	155	466	NN087621	Màm na Gualainn
Druim na h-Earba	288	153	135	NN090713	Bidein Bad na h-Iolaire
Am Bodach	1032	151	881	NN176650	Sgurr a' Mhàim
An Gearanach	982	151	831	NN187669	Am Bodach
Cruim Leacainn	232	150	82	NN166807	Aonach Beag

Any thoughts? — ras52 12:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me Lurker (said · done) 14:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like it.--Mark J 11:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I've done this page and rewritten the introduction. Feel free to change anything you don't like / correct anything that's wrong. Photos (per List of Hewitts and Nuttalls in England) would be good if anyone gets around to it before I do. — ras52 21:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Marilyns[edit]

While adding colour to this page, I noticed that there was a missing Marilyn — the numbers didn't add up. I've now located it (it was Meall Chomraidh, region 2A), and have added notes against the 3 Marilyns in this area that have been added since publication of the book. There's also one Marilyn that has been deleted: Cruach Bhuidhe in region 19C (height: 548m; drop: 149m; NS125947). It would be nice to find some way of noting this in the article. A footnote would seem the obvious way, but there's nowhere appropriate to attach the footnote. Any ideas? — ras52 16:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd attach the footnote to the end of the introduction. Lurker (said · done) 09:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ceann na Baintighearna[edit]

In the list of marylins, the hill at NN474163 (Loch Lomond to Strathyre section) is given as Beinn Stacath. Where it occurs as a parent peak, its name is given as Ceann na Baintighearna. The OS map gives the latter name for the subsidiary summit to the north overlooking the lochs, and doesn't use the former name. Am changing the name in the list to Ceann na Baintighearna for consistency, until somebody supplies a more authoritative name for the summit itself. Gwedhi (talk) 14:55, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the summit has any officially recognised name; none appears on any OS map. On the most recent 25K map Bealach Stacach (sic) is applied to an area about 300m SE of the summit but which goes not appear to be pass. Baintighearna is not the name of the summit. It is strange that the summit is not named as it is prominent both in the general sense and per the prominence metric that is used to define a "Marilyn". (I was there in August 2010). Viewfinder (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Googlemaps has Stob fear-Tomhais for the summit. However, Ceann na Baintighearna is the name used for the Corbett on the Scottish Mountaineering Club website. I'd stick with that. Gwedhi (talk) 12:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Càrn Mòr[edit]

The Càrn Mòr that figures here as a prominence parent is the one in the Ladder hills, not Càrn Mòr in Knoydart. What has stumped me is that the article on the latter says it's a Marilyn but it's not in this list. Have I messed up somewhere or were things wrong anyway? Thincat (talk) 23:46, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Solved, it's in the Northern Highlands! Thincat (talk) 23:51, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Propose to re-direct page[edit]

This is an old list of Marilyns on data which is out of date (some measurements have been updated, especially prominences), and whose sourcing is unclear (and thus, the data is not really useable). A new article, List of Marilyns in the British Isles, now includes all the Scottish Marilyns (sortable vs. all the 2,011 British Isles and vs. just English), and the data is sourced from an October 2018 download of the Database of British and Irish Hills (the best database for mountains in the British Isles). The DoBIH tables also show the topo map, map section, grid ref and other classifications of each Marilyn. The table is also linked (each Marilyn linked to their own Wikipedia article where it exists). The new table is also in a format that it can be downloaded and updated again from the DoBIH in the future without much editing (and thus limits WP:OR issues, which are important when downloading from what is a Primary source), and thus by keeping all Marilyns in one Wikipedia article, we have a better chance of maintaining the integrity and accuracy of the Marilyn lists and data. Note, that some Marilyn articles have "parent" peak data (which seems also unsourced), however the DoBIH will not list parent peaks outside of defining parents of "tops" (as per the new Wikipedia articles on Munro Tops, Donald Tops etc.), or other low-prominence peaks (e.g. Nuttall), and in particular, the DoBIH will not list "parents of parents", and will not list parents of Marilyns. I think their approach is correct, as I think this issue can cause much confusion among non-technical readers.Britishfinance (talk) 17:00, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done Per above, am re-directing this page to the 2018 new page on Marilyns (List of Marilyns in the British Isles) that contains all the data on this page (bar parents, which are not appropriate), and are up to date with latest measurements. Britishfinance (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]