Talk:List of Israeli Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews

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Who should be included in the list?[edit]

Only Mizrahi and Sephardi immigrants? Or the immigrants and only their first generation Israeli decedents? Or the immigrants and all Israeli decedents? (including the second and third generations). Should we Include also people with only one Mizrahi/Sephardi parent? Should we Include also people with only one Mizrahi/Sephardi grandparent? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you didn't include Hagit Yaso, even though you created her article. Any particular reason? And I'm wondering if Noa Tishby is of Mizrahi extraction. Her skin complexion suggests she is, but I haven't turned up sources one way or the other. Also, Rafi Peretz should be added, though I don't know if to the military section or the religious. Personally, I'd go with the military. For the religious, by the way, Yehuda Fatiyah, who was a student of the Ben Ish Hai, deserves a mention, in my opinion. And I hope to soon have an article on Uzi Meshulam up in order to fill a Wikipedia gap.—Biosketch (talk) 12:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Traditionally, the Ethiopian community has not been considered to be an integral part of the Mizrahi/Sephardi communities. Therefore I did not combine the Ethiopian Jewish Israelis into this list. If you think we should merge the Ethiopian Jewish personalities into this article, I recommend that you start by getting a consensus for such a move by placing purposing to merge the article List of Israeli Ethiopian Jews into this article.

You did not answer my original question. Should this list include all the decedents of the Mizrahi/Sephardi Jewish immigrants in Israel through all ages (even after 100 years)? In my opinion, this does not make sense - especially not if a person has only a remote family connection to the traditional Mizrahi/Sephardi communities (such as a young person that has only one grandfather that immigrated to Israel from Iraq in the 1950s, but all the rest of his family originate from Poland). Therefore, in my opinion, we should refrain from including such a person in this list and we must determine what this list would include exactly - maybe only the immigrants themselves and their first generation descendants? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 17:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added Uzi Meshulam. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 17:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't answer because I don't have a decent answer and I don't think a universally accepted definition of what constitutes a Mizrahi today exists. Personally, I associate the word with those Jews who still preserve enough of their ancestral heritage so as to be distinguishable from Ashkenazim. Sometimes superficial features like skin color and accent are valid criteria, but ideally it would be the individual's cultural context – his or her religious orientation, holidays, culinary predilections, musical style. A person like Orna Banai...I'm just not sure in what sense she can be considered mizrahi. These are complicated questions. In what sense is Obama black? Is it more important that he has brown skin or that he in some way represents a dimension of black American culture? I'd like to think it's the latter, but my experience has been that it was his skin color that most often defined him back when he ran for President, not who he was underlyingly.—Biosketch (talk) 09:06, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think of the clarification part I just added to the lead? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 15:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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