Talk:Light Observation Helicopter

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Questions[edit]

Is it really necessary to cut and paste portions of two B-Class articles to create a stub that will likely remain a stub for...dare I say, years? --Born2flie 02:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. Needs to be merged back into OH-58 and OH-6. Conversely, it could be converted into an article on the history of observation helicopters, and moved to Observation helicopters. - BillCJ 20:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On second look, if anything can be kept, it could be merged to the Military helicopters article along with the Utility helicopter page, all of which are stubs. - BillCJ 20:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled across this article again last week and I've been reworking it. I think we can afford to keep it here for a bit longer, it helps to straighten out the LOH sections of the three aircraft articles that were a part of the program. As a program, so much went on that I know it could be a larger article than it is, but I just don't know if we can find the sources without OR. Since it requires blending of sources that approach the LOH from different angles, it has already helped me clarify some timelines that are probably a bit out alignment on the OH-58 Kiowa article. I didn't realize that we even had an article called Military helicopters. --Born2flie 21:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know we had one either. Go ahead and keep working on this, and we'll see what we end up with. - BillCJ 21:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline[edit]

1953
  • July 1953, Office of the Chief, Army Field Forces (OCAFF) submitted desirable military characteristics for a two-place reconnaissance helicopter to DA (Weinert 1991, p. 205.)
1954
  • May 1954, OCAFF emphasizes need for aircraft and recommends procurement of troop test quantities of the YH-32 (Weinert 1991, p. 205.)
1955
  • 11 October 1955, CONARC recommends DA initiate development project for new recon helicopter to replace aging H-13 and H-23 (Weinert 1991, p. 205.)
1956
  • 19 March 1956, CONARC points out that recon helicopter need not being recognized in current research and development programs. Chief of Research and Development agrees to include new helicopter requirement in budget for fiscal year 1957 (Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
1957
  • Sometime during or after this year, three aircraft are selected; Sud-Ouest Djinn, Hughes 269, and Brantly B-2. The aircraft are designated the YHO-1 DJ, YHO-2 HU, and YHO-3 BR, respectively. The YHO-3 BR is not user/service tested after engineering tests revealed significant deficiencies (Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
1958
  • October 1958, service test of Sud Aviation YHO-1 DJ completed (Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
1959
  • October 1959, desert and temperate testing of Hughes YHO-2 HU completed. YHO-2 concluded to be the most capable, but not capable of replacing H-13 due to limited load capability (Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
1960
  • 27 March 1960, Army Chief of Transportation requests the Bureau of Naval Weapons let contracts for competition for a new light observation helicopter (Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
  • 31 March 1960, Bureau of Naval Weapons agrees (Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
  • 18 May 1960, Army provides Navy with military requirements for design, which are passed on to industry (Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
  • 16 June 1960, meeting consisting of 36 industry representatives, with a panel of Army and Navy officers was held at the Bureau of Naval Weapons.(Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
  • 14 October 1960, invitations were sent to 25 companies to compete in the program (Weinert 1991, p. 206.)
  • 10 December 1960, DOD authorizes Army to procure OTS aircraft without USAF/USN supervision after 1 July 1961 (Weinert 1991, p. 207.)
1961
  • January 1961, twelve companies respond with 19 designs (Weinert 1991, p. 207.)
  • February 1961, six committees were established to evaluate the designs to determine which designs met the requirements (Weinert 1991, p. 207.)
  • 13 April 1961, joint Army-Navy technical and operational evaluation groups met to combine their findings. Navy favored Hiller, and the Army favored Bell first, and then Hiller.
  • 18 April and 3 May 1961, further meetings determined that Army should pursue both aircraft for development (Weinert 1991, p. 207.)
  • 17 April 1961, Army Chief of Staff establishes the Light Observation Helicopter Selection Board, chaired by General Rogers (Ibid)
  • 3-4 May 1961, the board meets and receives the recommendation of the Army-Navy groups (Weinert 1991, p. 207.)
  • 6 May 1961, the board notifies Chief of Research and Development that they accept the recommendations. Deputy Chief of Staff, Operations (DCSOPS) disagrees, suggesting that the Hughes design (Hughes 369) be developed as well (Weinert 1991, p. 207.)
  • 17 May 1961, Army members of the board meet and recommend to the Army Chief of Staff that Army Chief of Research and Development pursue the Hughes design separately (Weinert 1991, p. 207.)
  • 19 May 1961, manufacturers are notified of the design selections (Weinert 1991, p. 207.) Bell and Hiller announced as winners (Holley and Sloniker, p. 6.)
  • 12 June 1961, Chief of Research and Development authorizes Chief of Transportation to procure test models (Weinert 1991, p. 207.)


Cut and paste here until it can be completed. --Born2flie 11:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect[edit]

The LOH page need to be redirected to the LOH (disambiguation) page and the LOH page must be renamed Bell LOH.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 15:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bell LOH? The LOH/Light Observation Helicopter is a programme/competition, not a helicopter. At this point, the original US Army LOH programme is by far the primary topic, being over 40 years old. Keeping Light Observation Helicopter here is fine for now, but you are welcome to propose a formal move. - BillCJ (talk) 15:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that the first LOH was the Hughes OH-6 Cayuse, which had the nickname "Loach", from LOH, for many years. - BillCJ (talk) 04:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I should have thought to see how many pages linked to LOH, but I didn't think ot it until now. It was one! Since there already was a link from that article to this page, a second link to the LOH redirect page was redundant, so I just removed it. As there is now no need for LOH to redirect here, I've added a {{db-move}} tag to LOH. If the deleting admin doesn't move the LOH DAB page, one of us can do it. - BillCJ (talk) 04:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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"Liftoff" vs. "lift off"[edit]

Photo caption:

YOH-6A Cayuse helicopter on lift off

I believe "lift off" is a verb, and we want the noun "liftoff" here. I didn't know how to edit the caption. I still don't. But hey, I got to start a topic here, so I'm happy. (This, too, BTW, is a "light observation".) – AndyFielding (talk) 22:38, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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