Talk:La Passion selon Sade

This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Opera, a group writing and editing Wikipedia articles on operas, opera terminology, opera composers and librettists, singers, designers, directors and managers, companies and houses, publications and recordings. The project discussion page is a place to talk about issues and exchange ideas. New members are welcome!OperaWikipedia:WikiProject OperaTemplate:WikiProject OperaOpera articles

Italy

	Italy portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Italy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Italy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ItalyWikipedia:WikiProject ItalyTemplate:WikiProject ItalyItaly articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

This article was created or improved during WikiProject Europe's "European 10,000 Challenge", which started on November 1, 2016, and is ongoing. You can help out!

A fact from La Passion selon Sade appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 October 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the title of La Passion selon Sade, an opera by Sylvano Bussotti (pictured with star Cathy Berberian), caused a scandal at its premiere and had to be changed for the next performance?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/La Passion selon Sade.

Sources[edit]

I'm slightly concerned by two of the sources used here; veniceoperatickets.com, and ircam.fr. The former is used heavily; the latter is used for the DYK hook. A priori they don't strike me as reliable, but I don't know opera; @Gerda Arendt:, could you help me understand the use of these? Vanamonde (Talk) 20:47, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The first is in English, while most about Bussotti is in Italian or French which I don't read. The second is IRCAM, - you can't get more scientific in contemporary music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying. The second is fine. The first, I think we need further justification for; a ticketing site would not normally be reliable. Do we know who (person or group) is writing the content? Vanamonde (Talk) 20:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(ec, may answer your question)

Other sources for the same facts:

I just found a book in English that I'll use, also for the hook fact. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

this looks reasonable to me (I don't speak French though). With the other websites, I'm in much the same place as with the original source. A website isn't unherently reliable or unreliable; who is publishing these? We don't need scholarly sources for non-controversial info, but the use of a website that has no authority at all is a problem for verifiability as well as due weight. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quible with DYK hook[edit]

that the title of La Passion selon Sade, an opera by Sylvano Bussotti (pictured with star Cathy Berberian), caused a scandal at its premiere and had to be changed for the next performance?

Nice to see this on the main page! According to IRCAM though, the title was given as selon Sade at Palermo, and La Passion selon x in Paris. The other reference, Fearn, Raymond (2014) says instead that the Italian poster had an ~~asterisk~~ exclamation point in place of the word "Passion". Sparafucil (talk) 01:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]