Talk:Kitchen stove

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In cooking, a cooker is an appliance designed for the purpose of cooking food[citation needed].[1]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.75.48.150 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 14 September 2007

This would have been more amusing if said tag hadn't been the last thing added to the article. Sigh. Chris Cunningham 12:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion[edit]

Summary of proposals[edit]

Here are the basics of the discussion to merge, split and edit the various stove articles and component parts therein:

What will need to be done after the proposal (if successful):

I hope this properly summarizes what this discussion is about - Jeremy (Jerem43 08:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Yeah this is ambitious Jeremy, I think this looks good though as I was getting confused myself. I'm proposing a similar thing with Oven and the multitude of smaller oven articles, but it isn't as messy as this. Good luck, let me know if I can help.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 08:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Except for that stove/cook top+oven combination thing found in many kitchens. (Based on the images included in the articles I believe this is covered at both Stove and Cooker. Once again, a summary style article could easily deal with this.) Ewlyahoocom 16:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are partly correct, but clay ovens, stone ovens, adobe ovens, etc. do not fit into the stove category at all which are covered in Oven. In modernity the oven is "often" part of a stove, but only in modern western designs.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 16:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of proposals[edit]

Please discuss the merger with Cook stove here. - Jeremy (Jerem43 21:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]

  • Merge - The subjects of these two articles are nearly identical. The former refers to gas and electric devices while the latter refers combustion fueled devices. They are about the same type of device but only differ to heating sources. - Jeremy (Jerem43 22:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Merge with amendment - I think the article Cooker should be merged into Cook Stove, while Stove should have the culinary stove information removed and be renamed Industrial stove with a disambiguation as they have two completely different histories and uses. The problem is that is "Heating stove" included under "Industrial stove" or do we make a third article just for heating stove as that has a completely separate history and huge cultural aspect to it depending on what country or region you look at, this is perhaps what part of the debate should be. As such I feel this is not so much about the single merge as it is separating the overlapping information into their own separate articles.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 02:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Cook stove is about modern use of a "very basic stove...the most common way of cooking and heating food in developing countries." In fact, Cooker should probably be merged into Stove (where some of Cooker's bolded terms e.g. Cooktop and Kitchen range already redirect -- although Kitchen stove redirects to Cooker!). Then the picture of the "Stove manufacture in Senegal" should probably be moved to Cook stove. Finally, the combined Cooker+Stove page should be moved to Kitchen stove, and Cook stove could be moved someplace less ambiguous! Ewlyahoocom 07:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - It would seem that Ewlyahoocom Oppose opinion on the discussion should be changed to Merge with amendment as he seems to be proposing a variation on what Christopher Tanner said. I am going to ask him. - Jeremy (Jerem43 08:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]
It's a discussion, not a WP:VOTE. Anyone who reads the discussion should understand my position. In any case, I think the Cook stove article should be mostly left alone. Additionally, AGA cooker seems to a well written article, it probably shouldn't be merged. Wood-fired oven and Masonry oven could probably be merged together. I don't mean to be obvious, but are you all familiar with the Wikipedia:Summary style? Ewlyahoocom 08:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I know that it is not a vote, I used the wrong word when I posted to your discussion page. I was just asking because it just seems you basically proposed a variation on what I have proposed. These articles are a mess, and they really should be cleaned up. You might be right, maybe we should look at this and merge them so they read like the Furnace article. This is an extremely complected subject that needs some serious review. - Jeremy (Jerem43 08:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Comment:
cook stove in its current form needs a rewrite. It's an essay on third world cooking improvements more than anything else. I would encourage a merge if we could give it some proper focus.
A split to industrial stove is a quite good plan, but that doesn't cover historic heat-only stoves. stove (heating) is pretty ghastly, but might work.
I support keeping the main cooker article at cooker because that's a less US-centric / archaic term.
While I would support WP:SUMMARY style for cooker as "generic cooking appliance", I'd assume this meant a merge with oven. Otherwise things get very confusing with, say, microwave oven, which is an atraditional device.
Action plan: merge as much in here (oven, cook stove) as possible, aiming to eventually use cooker as a WP:SUMMARY for all cooking devices. Use stove as a disambiguation page and avoid using it in other articles (because it's so ambiguous).
Chris Cunningham 11:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Merge — "In cooking, a cooker is an appliance designed for the purpose of cooking food." That pretty much describes crock pots, broilers, bread making machines and Easy-Bake toys.
  • Comment I think that would call for an expansion of the article Cooker to include those appliances and a "See also" summary for Cook stove". And Cook stove is a nice description of a sociological movement but it's not NPOV and it certainly is a stretch of the definition of a stove. If anything it needs a new title. Awotter (talk) 02:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article changes related to Stove/Cooker/Cookstove[edit]

I have made some changes to the summaries of stove and cooker in the hopes of clarifying the above discussion (complicated a bit by the change of cookstove to Biomass Cook Stove, that's what I get for making a suggestion someone then implements). As I read the articles I could see the logical reasoning behind having two separate articles (even though they are related).

So I tried to reflect that in both articles in the simplest way possible with stove left as it is (mainly about heating) and cooker showing the evolution from stoves that replaced open fires for heating and cooking, to the stand alone appliance that developed after the use of stoves as heat source became displaced by central heating.

Any stove linked article or redirect that used stove solely in reference to cooking I changed to cooker. Even though I'm used to the American usage of stove vs it seems to make sense to keep to the distinction so the usage isn't American centric. Awotter (talk) 04:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The entry for cookstove or cook stove should be retained. The term cookstove took a big jump in Internet traffic after the founding of the Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves [1] recently. So this term is now widely used. Of course there are probably over a hundred kinds of devices that claim to be "clean cookstoves" and this article should not be an attempt to catalog them all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parveson (talk • contribs) 18:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://cleancookstoves.org/

Um, no electric stoves?[edit]

I don't see any mention of electric stoves at all. 198.151.130.33 (talk) 16:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gas vs Electric[edit]

There are a few arguments for each listed in the article, just wondering if there should be a bigger section on the advantages and disadvantages of each? The reason I prefer gas is so you have a backup if you can't use the stove. If you have a gas stove and run out of gas, you'll still have a microwave, a slow-cooker, a pressure-cooker, a grill and various other electric appliances you can use for backup, whereas if you have an electric stove and the power goes out, you're less likely to have a backup cooking device, maybe a gas barbecue or a camp cooker if you're lucky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.96.86 (talk) 14:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The word cooker is bizarre[edit]

I guess that technically a cooker is device that cooks, but this is a word entirely alien from my dialect (traveled Midwestern American). I've heard of Solar cookers and rice cookers, but that's it. it seems strange to be told this is an American word, because it simply isn't. The only person who I've ever heard try to call a stove/range/whatever was a foreign exchange student.

Is there a convincing source for using the word cooker? Just because it's in a dictionary doesn't mean it should be mentioned prominently.

It makes sense to present the word cooker as a constructed class of objects that cook for purposes of Wikipedia hierarchies if it's meant to be, but again, the word cooker not prefaced by another word is alien to my dialect and it seems to me there should be a source to convince me this is not written by a non-English speaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.180.48 (talk) 05:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who uses the word cooker and speaks English as a first language, i find this comment incredibly annoying to read. I am from the North of England; a place where cooker is the word that is primarily used.

Honestly, i feel a similar debate could be made for the word 'range' as it sounds like a type of vehicle rather than a kitchen appliance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.145.133.65 (talk) 11:31, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My husband is from Ireland and he uses "cooker" to mean a stove. I don't like "range" either, I think the article should stay with "stove" and resist the temptation to get all fancy. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 04:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unlinking[edit]

>The modern kitchen range was invented by Sir Benjamin Thompson, Count Rumford in the 1790s. As an active scientist and prolific inventor, he put the study of heat onto a scientific basis and developed improvements for chimneys, fireplaces and industrial furnaces, which led to his invention of the kitchen range.

This article was linking to itself so I "unlinked" it. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 04:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fossil fuels[edit]

A recent (unsourced) change was made to the article claiming that electric stoves do not "need to rely on fossil fuels". I think this is at least misleading, since over 60% of electricity generation in the US comes from fossil fuels[2]. The percentage varies in other countries, but I don't think there's anywhere in the world where electricity does not "rely on fossil fuels" to a significant extent. CodeTalker (talk) 22:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Probably not generally true enough to be a useful distinction here. --Wtshymanski (talk) 21:42, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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