Talk:Kinoks

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There is no references directly of Kinoks on the Dziga Vertov page. It should be referenced if this page can claim he is the most influential of the group. MDSNYDER 02:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Kinok with plural to redirect to singular?[edit]

Do our sources more often refer to the singular or plural? That should be the article title, and the other a redirect. (I need the singular created for the WP:Typo_Team/moss project). Thoughts? Insights? Thanks! Elfabet (talk) 15:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When was the collective established?[edit]

I deleted the statement that the collective was founded in 1919 from the article because I can't verify the source. The source appears to be ^[1] which is an Internet Archive capture of a now disappeared webpage about Vertov for some university course, which has a copy and pasted section from Baseline's Encyclopedia of Film, which is from 1991, print-only and my university library doesn't have it so I can't verify this.

However, it seems that the Wikipedia article is simply copy and pasted from this text, because the wording is identical.

From the website: In 1919 Vertov and his future wife, the talented film editor Elisaveta Svilova, plus several other young filmmakers created a group called Kinoks ("kino-oki," meaning cinema-eyes). In 1922 they were joined by Mikhail Kaufman, who had just returned from the civil war. From 1922 to 1923 Vertov, Kaufman, and Svilova published a number of manifestos in avant-garde journals which clarified the Kinoks' positions vis-à-vis other leftist groups. The Kinoks rejected "staged" cinema with its stars, plots, props and studio shooting. They insisted that the cinema of the future be the cinema of fact: newsreels recording the real world, "life caught unawares." Vertov proclaimed the primacy of camera ("Kino-Eye") over the human eye. The camera lens was a machine that could be perfected infinitely to grasp the world in its entirety and organize visual chaos into a coherent, objective picture. At the same time Vertov emphasized that his Kino-Eye principle was a method of "communist" deciphering of the world. For Vertov there was no contradiction here; as a true believer he considered Marxism the only objective and scientific tool of analysis and even called a series of the 23 newreels he directed between 1922 and 1925 Kino-Pravda, "pravda" being not only the Russian word for the truth but also the title of the official party newspaper.

I have added a few words to make it clear that this is a direct quote, but it really should be rewritten - I'm afraid I don't have time for that now, though. Lijil (talk) 09:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://web.archive.org/web/20070808211425/http://cours.cegep-st-jerome.qc.ca/511-411-p.l/vertov.htm |Dziga Vertov (1896-1954)

[1] ttps://web.archive.org/web/20070808211425/http://cours.cegep-st-jerome.qc.ca/511-411-p.l/vertov.htm |Dziga Vertov (1896-1954)

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