Talk:Khartoum massacre

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"With no women members"[edit]

led by human rights lawyer Nabil Adib and with no women members.[17] Does the commission specifically forbid women from being members? If not, then this is very unnecessary to point out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:6E00:1E4E:DB01:C6E:6649:FB3:EF41 (talk) 13:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your question isn't quite the right one in this context: the commission has a legally defined membership - it's not a club open to anyone who applies; so whether or not Hamdok and others influencing the choice of members deliberately excluded women is the question you should be asking. We don't have a source giving a direct answer (though Hamdok seems to be very much in favour of gender parity). However, the No to Oppression against Women Initiative objected to the absence of women on the committee, as reported by Radio Dabanga. That's the strongest element of what is important for this Wikipedia article.

A wider context for an answer is that the Sudanese Women's Union, the No to Oppression against Women Initiative, and women in general have been a major force in the Sudanese Revolution, according to the sources we have used so far, and Sudanese doctors estimated 70 rapes, and Sudanese women have been pressuring the transition institutions to have gender parity. This context could reasonably be considered enough to justify the lack of women on the committee to be a piece of information that is Wikipedia notable. Keep in mind that the Sudanese Women's Union has been active for over half a century: this is not an unusual action by Sudanese women. Boud (talk) 15:41, 1 November 2019 (UTC) (minor clarifications) Boud (talk) 19:53, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For more understanding of the Sudanese context, see Rape during the Darfur genocide. Boud (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Moving victims list to a list[edit]

I am thinking about creating an article which contains the list of the victims and then remove them from this article but leave the description and summary. Let me know what you think @Boud.. FuzzyMagma (talk) 03:28, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend against that, because my guess is that there would then be an AfD against the list-of-victims article, since the list is currently from just one Middle East Eye source, and none are individually Wikipedia-notable people. There are probably not many WP:RS apart from Radio Dabanga and The Sudan Tribune that cover even a handful of the individual victims. Even though many Wikipedians are sensitive to the geographical bias in Wikipedia, when there are too few sources it can be difficult to justify articles that should be present but are too poorly sourced. (Most of the massacres of the Tigray War remain "off the Wikipedia radar" because of the small number of sources and the debate about what sources are usable; the tight communications blockade implemented by Abiy and Isaias was almost, though not quite, successful in hiding the Tigray Genocide from "encyclopedic knowledge" - and it's not yet officially a genocide.)

You can look through Category:Lists of victims articles - I only see eight as direct list-of-victims articles. I think you'll see that generally a list-of-victims article should mostly consist of a list of victims who are individually Wikipedia-notable - they are mostly blue links, not red links. See Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists for the policy on stand-alone list articles.

If you can find enough sources to justify creating individual articles for several of the victims (non-English-language sources are, in principle, acceptable - see WP:NONENG - but preferably should be from online, archivable sources to improve verifiability; and the reliability of the sources would be open to debate, as for English-language sources) as Wikipedia-notable (deceased) people, then a list article might have a chance. Boud (talk) 04:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the through answer. I will take your advice and familiarise myself with these policies. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crimes against humanity category removal[edit]

Crimes against humanity is a specific legal concept. In order to be included in the category, the event (s) must have been prosecuted as a crime against humanity, or at a bare minimum be described as such by most reliable sources. Most of the articles that were formerly in this category did not mention crimes against humanity at all, and the inclusion of the category was purely original research. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]