Talk:Ken Maginnis

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" At a Saint Patrick's Day display at Westminster in 1998, he tore two Irish tricolours from the wall and threw them into the Thames, saying he "did not think they would pollute the river too much[citation needed]." "

I would seriously doubt the credibility of this...I think there should be a citation quickly or it should be removed. 172.201.231.69 15:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name of this article[edit]

There are no other Ken Maginnis's on wiki so there is no need to disamb the page to Ken Maginnis, Baron Maginnis of Drumglass. I am going to change it to the former unless someone finds another Ken Maginnis.--Vintagekits 14:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is not in accordance with MoS. By that thinking you would rename Diana Spencer and Horatio Nelson. - Kittybrewster (talk) 17:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MOS states that he should be known by his common name - do a google search for "Ken Maginnis", "Baron Maginnis of Drumglass", "Baron Maginnis" and "Ken Maginnis, Baron Maginnis of Drumglass" - that should give you your answer.--Vintagekits 17:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The General WP:NC reads Use common names of persons and things. Convention: Except where other accepted Wikipedia naming conventions give a different indication The Convention you tried to cite is WP:NCP but it specifically states The present guideline gives the general principles. In some cases more specific guidelines also apply, for example:...Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) (for monarchs and nobles in a Western tradition. The WP:NCNT for Titles of Nobility is the accepted Wikipedia naming convention specific to this area and it says use the most common form of the name used in English if none of the rules below cover a specific problem. The rules below do cover it and give a form: use the dignity in the title, unless the individual is exclusively referred to by personal name. The onus is on you to provide exclusive proof; against that and you have simply given your opinion.

Ten out of ten for discussing it. - Kittybrewster (talk) 19:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you try searching for "Lord Maginnis"? I get 2x as many hits as I do for "Ken Maginnis". ugen64 20:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thats correct ugen64 good point.--Vintagekits 21:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hunger strike?[edit]

I don't see anything in the main text about a hunger strike. We all know that there was one around 1981 but it doesn't seem to relate to him directly. Could someone say how it is relevant?Red Hurley 15:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Fermanagh and South Tyrone by-election, August 1981 Ken Maginnis was the main Unionist candidate against Owen Carron who was Bobby Sands election agent in the first by-election. The information on his involvement in that election, has still to be added to this article.--padraig 16:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right Honourable / Privy Councillor?[edit]

Following reference to Parliament UK they say *Rt Hon. should be used when a Lord is a member of the Privy Council. When you look up a member on the Members of the House of Lords list, it will state if they’re a privy counsellor. Lord Drumglass is not a PC. Thoughts? Gavin Lisburn (talk) 16:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The website is incorrect. A commoner, who is a PC, attains the style of "Rt. Hon." as a result. E.g., Rt. Hon. Tony Blair. A peer of the rank of baron is always styled Rt. Hon., whether or not they are PC. A peer who is a PC will be known as, e.g. "Rt. Hon. Baroness Thatcher PC". --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 16:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is explained in detail here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_Honourable --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 16:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This issue id referred to in that 'talk' page with reference to a Dept of Justice website (link broken). Presumably the link should be to the HoP page referred to earlier. In this Debretts article it says Rt Hon is only used in legal documents. I have also looked at a few Barons at random on Wiki an dnote that the insertion of Rt Gon is not used very much. As Wiki is not a legal document, I would contend that the removal of Rt Hon is correct. Gavin Lisburn (talk) 23:53, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are now advancing your argument upon a different premise from the original. My understanding is that the Manual of Style for WP articles states that "Rt Hon" should not be used in the first line of the article, but can be in the infobox. I suggest this as a suitable compromise. Debretts is also incorrect to say that it is used only in legal documents. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 11:24, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good compromise. Infobox amended.Gavin Lisburn (talk) 12:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]